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I look at what happened at Illinois with Self

Posted on: June 7, 2021 at 11:07:46 CT
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Elite coach. Stayed 3 years before getting a blue blood offer. They didn’t follow him up with another elite coach.
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Article on the impact of MU giving up on men's basketball - FIJItiger MU - 6/7 08:16:19
     Loser mentality. Often present in the minds of losers. - MNTIGER MU - 6/7 13:27:06
     Missouri continues to pay the price for the hiring of Haith - alstl MU - 6/7 13:09:45
          RE: Missouri continues to pay the price for the hiring of Haith - slamduncan KC - 6/7 23:14:12
               No, Quin was an excellent hire that simply got - zounami MU - 6/8 00:35:50
          He cratered the program and made it a no-win situation - go tigers MU - 6/7 17:36:50
               yeah, 23+ wins per season and top 20 recruiting classes... - zounami MU - 6/7 17:38:24
          You misspelled Kim Anderson, & the SEC is why our AD budget - zounami MU - 6/7 13:42:21
               They had to give away 5,000 free tickets to our big rival - alstl MU - 6/7 21:48:33
                    Was that during COVID or the Odom era? (nm) - zounami MU - 6/8 00:35:00
               No, the first mistake was Frank and that led to - alwaysright MU - 6/7 15:49:51
                    KY kept every Haith recruit plus hired the prep school - tigertix MU - 6/7 17:39:45
                         That is not what I said. - alwaysright MU - 6/8 10:22:30
                    How did hiring Haith "lead to Kim"...? (nm) - zounami MU - 6/7 16:05:52
                         The Haith situation put pressure and stress on Alden - alwaysright MU - 6/7 16:57:42
                              lol, nice try... The program was still in good shape when - zounami MU - 6/7 17:07:34
                                   Why take this out on KA? - WrightWing MU - 6/8 00:20:05
                                        I'm not. I blamed our incompetent administration for Kim... - zounami MU - 6/8 00:34:06
                                             Well, FFH was TERRIBLE - WrightWing MU - 6/8 00:49:15
                                                  Kim brought in way more bad actors than he inherited - FIJItiger MU - 6/8 14:07:43
                                                  This is pure spin. Haith was a far better coach than Kim... - zounami MU - 6/8 01:07:00
                                                       Its not spin, its just entirely inaccurate and backwards(nm) - FIJItiger MU - 6/8 13:40:36
                                   Haith - KC rules MU - 6/7 17:28:07
                                        Haith won 23 or more games every season. He averaged over 25 - zounami MU - 6/7 17:34:57
                                             Regardless - KC rules MU - 6/7 22:33:14
                                                  That's total nonsense. (nm) - zounami MU - 6/8 00:28:11
                                                       Hardly - KC rules MU - 6/8 00:43:55
                                   The program was still up on the cliff, but it was - alwaysright MU - 6/7 17:15:12
                                        This is the rotation Haith would have had that year - alwaysright MU - 6/7 17:21:46
                                        That's nonsense. Nothing prevented us from hiring Howland... - zounami MU - 6/7 17:18:29
                                             The U admin was against it becuase he had bs NCAA - alwaysright MU - 6/7 17:22:45
                                                  Wrong. Howland has never had NCAA allegations against him. - zounami MU - 6/7 17:28:42
                                                       There were accusations of ncaa violations and - alwaysright MU - 6/8 10:24:12
                                                            Wrong again. He wasn't even accused of NCAA violations. (nm) - zounami MU - 6/8 13:17:22
                                                                 Yes he was. He did not have ncaa charges...those come from - alwaysright MU - 6/11 09:48:16
                                                       What’s up with Howland love? - wu-tangtiger MU - 6/7 17:34:02
                                                            More like 3 in 4... Those first 2 years were rebuilds at a - zounami MU - 6/7 17:36:04
                                                                 Interesting - wu-tangtiger MU - 6/7 17:45:26
                                                                      How so? (nm) - zounami MU - 6/7 17:55:06
                                                                           This was your take on Geist back in 2017 - wu-tangtiger MU - 6/7 18:04:34
                                                                                That's more of an indictment on Kim than anything... - zounami MU - 6/7 18:20:04
                                                                                     X? Tilmon? - wu-tangtiger MU - 6/7 20:30:09
          MU was a combined 92 games over .500 in their last 13 season - FIJItiger MU - 6/7 13:13:26
     nah, we just need to hire a good hard-working HC like Drink - zounami MU - 6/7 12:52:30
     Wow, this is such a stupid post. - GeorgiaTiger76 MU - 6/7 12:44:48
     One of the biggest negative impacts was - Fred G. Sanford USA - 6/7 11:48:46
          RE: One of the biggest negative impacts was - slamduncan KC - 6/7 23:01:31
          Hearnes Center is an outdated dump - quicksand MU - 6/7 19:31:18
               When it was new, it was great for - tigersailor MU - 6/8 06:59:24
          Hearnes Center was usually pretty full - implode STL - 6/7 16:18:57
          Agree that has been a decent part of this disaster(nm) - Genco98 MU - 6/7 13:10:59
          That was really just bad luck. - GeorgiaTiger76 MU - 6/7 12:49:11
               He also drove away locals who would attend - Genco98 MU - 6/7 13:20:38
                    short sighted. Money now and not think of the future. - SabertoothTiger MU - 6/7 15:19:24
          I dunno.' Went to Mizzou from 87-91 and Hearnes was - Diamond Dave MU - 6/7 11:57:10
               Me too, 86-91 for me. nm. - MUTGR MU - 6/8 01:47:28
     We're gonna continue to be irrelevant for a while. - MUHoopster MU - 6/7 11:04:17
          3+ million a year for CM when he openly says - cal tiger MU - 6/7 16:10:27
               It's like the old saying: When someone tells/shows you - zounami MU - 6/7 17:25:39
          Good gosh, we can and for the most part are doing as - Lt. J. Dangle MU - 6/7 12:33:07
          Didn't really have an option on "keeping" MA and what has - Diamond Dave MU - 6/7 12:07:38
          Can't really isolate the mistake to hiring Haith - FIJItiger MU - 6/7 12:05:47
               Haith was done after the Norfolk State disaster. - GeorgiaTiger76 MU - 6/7 12:47:30
                    English was hurt, we had a short bench - cal tiger MU - 6/7 16:22:21
                    Your recollection of timeline is off - FIJItiger MU - 6/7 12:53:29
          Hire a rehabbed and ready-to-go Gregg Marshall(nm) - Diamond Dave MU - 6/7 12:01:12
               ^^^ this^^^(nm) - DollarSigns MU - 6/7 18:44:02
               I'd rather hire a young and upcoming Kim English* - OntheMark MU - 6/7 13:27:59
                    That would be woke AF(nm) - DollarSigns MU - 6/7 18:43:19
                    Let’s see how he does first - wu-tangtiger MU - 6/7 13:36:56
               It's worth a try, but at 58 years old and the reputational - zounami MU - 6/7 12:59:51
          RE: We're gonna continue to be irrelevant for a while. - HSCoach STL - 6/7 11:42:18
          As it pertains to your last paragraph, Mizzou should avoid - alwaysright MU - 6/7 11:25:22
               Why would you avoid top 25 players? - FIJItiger MU - 6/7 12:00:52
                    It’s a different game now. MU needs guys to play 3-4 years. - alwaysright MU - 6/7 12:21:03
                         Rosburg, Puryear, Nikko, Mitchell Smith, Tilmon - FIJItiger MU - 6/7 12:27:42
                              There are thousands of players in between these - alwaysright MU - 6/7 12:39:29
                                   Well there are none at MU, just those 5 examples - FIJItiger MU - 6/7 12:44:06
                                        Even if we had Quin, who could get top 25’s, MU should - alwaysright MU - 6/7 12:47:20
                                             Villanova gets top 25 recruits - wu-tangtiger MU - 6/7 12:53:45
                                                  Don’t think they had any on their first title - alwaysright MU - 6/7 14:55:30
                                                       Brunson was on both championship teams - wu-tangtiger MU - 6/7 15:04:01
                                             Ok, I disagree. That sounds like how Kim approached it(nm) - FIJItiger MU - 6/7 12:48:38
                                                  That is not true. There is a huge world of high-quality - alwaysright MU - 6/7 14:56:20
                              Mitch and Pickett also stayed - wu-tangtiger MU - 6/7 12:30:51
                                   Good catch, should have included Mitch. Just edited (nm) - FIJItiger MU - 6/7 12:35:06
               I wouldn’t avoid the top 25 type recruits - wu-tangtiger MU - 6/7 11:29:56
                    If you follow the recruiting plan that I have rehashed - alwaysright MU - 6/7 11:33:39
                         Yea I think it’s bad strategy to not recruit - wu-tangtiger MU - 6/7 12:04:19
          I think your last paragraph is exactly right (nm) - wu-tangtiger MU - 6/7 11:11:12
               Eh, I believe we should aspire to be better than MN, ISU and - Lt. J. Dangle MU - 6/7 12:25:04
                    It needs to be done in steps - wu-tangtiger MU - 6/7 12:28:52
                         Well, isn't that it is what is being done? I don't think - Lt. J. Dangle MU - 6/7 12:36:32
                              I see you didn’t zero in on Iowa and Wisconsin (nm) - wu-tangtiger MU - 6/7 12:42:17
                                   Correct. I believe those two are valid, the others are not(nm) - Lt. J. Dangle MU - 6/7 12:53:52
                                        There are several others that I think you could include - wu-tangtiger MU - 6/7 12:57:40
                                             I was just his list in the final paragraph. And I agree - Lt. J. Dangle MU - 6/7 13:06:16
                         You are skipping a step, the most important one - FIJItiger MU - 6/7 12:34:16
                              I think this staff is better than you do - wu-tangtiger MU - 6/7 12:38:01
                                   You only believe that because you believe the level - FIJItiger MU - 6/7 12:41:55
                                        I disagree small philosophical changes - wu-tangtiger MU - 6/7 12:45:23
                                             If deployed correctly and successfully it is enough to - FIJItiger MU - 6/7 12:47:48
                                                  Even with a poor defense Mizzou finished 7th - wu-tangtiger MU - 6/7 12:56:07
                                                       Fair enough. 2021 told me they can't do it (nm) - FIJItiger MU - 6/7 12:59:08
                                                            2021 told me they needed to keep their athleticism - wu-tangtiger MU - 6/7 13:04:54
                                                                 I think its likely we lose some/all of those guys in the - FIJItiger MU - 6/7 13:09:53
                                                                      Obviously not all of them are going to work out - wu-tangtiger MU - 6/7 13:12:52
     The rest of the league upgraded their coaches will force MU - Erwin Fletcher STL - 6/7 10:47:55
          Apologies, didn't mean to imply that hiring Cuonzo was - FIJItiger MU - 6/7 11:52:17
               I agree that the two hires previous to that were not worthy - Erwin Fletcher STL - 6/7 16:36:05
                    Mizzou had to over pay for its hire in 2017 - wu-tangtiger MU - 6/7 16:40:05
                         But they did it(nm) - Erwin Fletcher STL - 6/7 19:05:18
                              Right that was the point - wu-tangtiger MU - 6/7 20:27:33
          Mizzou has averaged 12th in the SEC in coaches - wu-tangtiger MU - 6/7 10:50:37
               CM was sixth. Not sure if he still is or not. Haith and KA - Erwin Fletcher STL - 6/7 16:33:35
                    When we hired CM, he was 4th in the SEC in salary - the808bass MU - 6/7 18:27:00
               Another BS stat you throw out. KA got paid less for his - DHighlander NWMSU - 6/7 11:07:28
                    Your link is out of date - wu-tangtiger MU - 6/7 11:10:01
                         If the assistants are not getting paid that is on the head - DHighlander NWMSU - 6/7 11:55:59
                              That’s a new. Very creative (nm) - wu-tangtiger MU - 6/7 12:05:51
                                   Who do you think is responsible for the assistant coaches - DHighlander NWMSU - 6/7 12:58:24
               That assumes if we do hire a winner, we don’t step up - tiger4real MU - 6/7 10:56:18
                    I look at what happened at Illinois with Self - wu-tangtiger MU - 6/7 11:07:46
                         He was being pushed out due to piling up secondary violation - FIJItiger MU - 6/7 11:54:21
     It is basketball - meatiger MU - 6/7 10:30:57
     Mizzou ranked #13 in nation in attendance in Martin 1st year - ChuckM MU - 6/7 10:25:52
     I still think a big thing was alienating the townies - Genco98 MU - 6/7 10:11:07
     Alden's acquiescence to the Normies and hiring KY was - tigertix MU - 6/7 09:36:30
          Who is KY? - Genco98 MU - 6/7 13:56:51
               Kim Anderson put the KY to us... - tigertix MU - 6/7 17:40:42
                    What is KY? - Genco98 MU - 6/7 19:33:38
     Its about getting the right AD and coach. Its apples - SabertoothTiger MU - 6/7 08:49:11
          I think college basketball itself is dying, so in some ways - FIJItiger MU - 6/7 08:53:13
               RE: I think college basketball itself is dying, so in some ways - slamduncan KC - 6/7 22:52:52
               It is stunning sometimes to realize how little interest - Genco98 MU - 6/7 13:40:12
               Student support might not comeback for MU and - SabertoothTiger MU - 6/7 08:58:51
     Mizzou at least upgraded their coach in Cuonzo over - tgr MU - 6/7 08:40:39
          Haith was awful, KA never should've happened, and then - cal tiger MU - 6/7 16:18:02
               Cal would have been way better off with Cuonzo than - wu-tangtiger MU - 6/7 16:24:15
          I think its pretty definitive at this point, that Cuonzo is - FIJItiger MU - 6/7 08:46:18
               CM's refusal to hire good assistants that can evaluate and - tigertix MU - 6/7 09:38:12
               Haith was the beneficiary of good players due to Andersons - bluesox7 MU - 6/7 08:51:47
                    You hated Haith's offensive coaching? - FIJItiger MU - 6/7 08:56:17
                         His first team was an actual team who played together. - sprintcar STL - 6/7 09:06:16
                         Haith was able to get some skilled players in to hide - alwaysright MU - 6/7 09:02:28
                         well, I hated that NBA style offense. - bluesox7 MU - 6/7 08:58:38
                              Fair enough, I think we all would be thrilled to - FIJItiger MU - 6/7 09:02:06
                                   I can agree with that. I have more frustration with Cuonzo - bluesox7 MU - 6/7 09:06:21
                                        Mizzou was one of the most efficient in the SEC - wu-tangtiger MU - 6/7 09:29:00
                                        You mean like Phil dribbling out the clock and heaving a - sprintcar STL - 6/7 09:10:02
                                             I've wonder what our record would have been if we - XRob MU - 6/7 11:25:00
     RE: Article on the impact of MU giving up on men's basketball - scan MU - 6/7 08:28:54
     That photo. - Newcatbirdseat MU - 6/7 08:27:00
          I think you can pretty much sum up MU in the SEC with - FIJItiger MU - 6/7 08:42:21
     The right coach, with admin help, can ALWAYS - GA Tiger MU - 6/7 08:20:02
          RE: The right coach, with admin help, can ALWAYS - SEMO_Hillbilly UMKC - 6/7 13:30:04
               There is a huge difference between Drink's personality and - sprintcar STL - 6/7 13:41:10
                    I always get amused by these takes - wu-tangtiger MU - 6/7 15:09:23
                         You amuse me daily. Glad I could return the favor.(nm) - sprintcar STL - 6/7 15:21:48
                              I hope Drink is good enough to achieve the success - wu-tangtiger MU - 6/7 15:24:35
                                   Who doesn't? I hope the same thing for Cuonzo. Ultimately - sprintcar STL - 6/7 15:39:49
                                        I am excited for both - wu-tangtiger MU - 6/7 15:43:38




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