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just so i'm up to speed on the hypocrisy...

Posted on: April 19, 2017 at 13:17:18 CT
phrejd STL
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Cuonzo is by all accounts a clean coach and recruiter, and in no way did he illegally recruit a previously committed Jeremiah Tilmon, because he's a good man and smart recruiter and he doesn't break the rules.

And MPSr is by all accounts a good and honest man, committed to building the character of young men and women, specifically his children, who by all accounts are good and honest people in their own right.

However, some choose to believe that...

Within minutes of accepting the MU job Cuonzo immediately contacted Porter Sr (which would be the first time they had ever interacted) and over the course of a brief phone call convinced Sr (a former minister) to callously stab Lorenzo Romar, his best friend and godfather of one of his children, in the back in order to illegally recruit his son who was still officially committed to play for his godfather/family friend, subsequently causing both Romar and Porter Sr. to lose their jobs. Then all parties involved repeatedly lied about it to everyone, saying that they had NOT been in contact.

Do I have this right? Cuonzo and Porter are both good men when it suits us, but they are also dishonest and disloyal liars when it suits us?

Edited by phrejd at 13:17:51 on 04/19/17
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just so i'm up to speed on the hypocrisy... - phrejd MU - 4/19 13:17:18
     Recruiting can be nasty business at times. - ERB KC - 4/19 20:08:47
     Stop all this crap... CM talked with MPSr sister in law EOS(nm) - Quick Slant MU - 4/19 16:03:26
     No rules were broken with Porter and Cuonzo. - cefoo MU - 4/19 14:42:17
     ABSOLUTELY while at Cal CM orchestrated UW going 9-22 - Macgrantt MU - 4/19 14:33:52
          i think you may have misread that post. - phrejd MU - 4/19 14:44:10
               You do realize my comments were satrical? - Macgrantt MU - 4/19 19:09:14
               So you don't think that Cuonzo or his agent could have asked - BigSlickTiger MU - 4/19 15:02:29
                    here's exactly why it's nutty: - phrejd MU - 4/19 15:07:09
                         UW would have released him. Look at Garrison Brooks. - BigSlickTiger MU - 4/19 15:10:22
                              Porter Sr has said he didnt talk to Martin about a job at MU - phrejd MU - 4/19 15:11:58
                                   So ESPN's national director of recruiting just made this - BigSlickTiger MU - 4/19 15:19:03
                                        it appears he did - phrejd MU - 4/19 15:28:40
                                             I was discussing the part about Porter being hired. - BigSlickTiger MU - 4/19 15:32:30
               Who is saying that? Romar would still be employed if he was - zounami MU - 4/19 14:50:29
                    RE: Who is saying that? Romar would still be employed if he was - phrejd MU - 4/19 14:56:52
                    I don't think anyone is saying the Porter's are the reason - StaleyTiger MU - 4/19 14:55:31
                         Yes, and that's exactly what I said. (nm) - zounami MU - 4/19 15:00:34
                              do you people not know what a NLI is? - phrejd MU - 4/19 15:03:19
                                   There is no way UW would take the publicity hit of forcing - BigSlickTiger MU - 4/19 15:08:20
                                        Porter Sr has said he didnt talk to Martin about a job at MU - phrejd MU - 4/19 15:11:12
                                             Of course he did. Why would he come out and admit that he - BigSlickTiger MU - 4/19 15:14:20
                                                  no. there was speculation that after a 9 win season Romar - phrejd MU - 4/19 15:30:40
                                                       1 week before Pat Forde said Romar was being retained. - BigSlickTiger MU - 4/19 15:36:15
                                                            again - phrejd MU - 4/19 15:43:59
                                                                 And again, the evidence proves that Romar wasn't fired until - BigSlickTiger MU - 4/19 15:54:08
                                                                      no - phrejd MU - 4/19 16:00:23
                                                                           He didn't speculate though. He said "per sources" and guess - BigSlickTiger MU - 4/19 16:02:33
                                                                                you realize you just contradicted yourself, right? - phrejd MU - 4/19 16:35:55
     Who is this "us" you're referring to in this dramatic post? - zounami MU - 4/19 14:27:46
     This is what is going to run Coach Martin off^^^ - Ragnar Danneskjold MU - 4/19 14:10:20
          he's been very complimentary of KA - Fire Marshall Bill MU - 4/19 14:26:32
     It can be somewhere in the middle. - kmawv8 MU - 4/19 14:03:06
          RE: It can be somewhere in the middle. - tjwheeler UI - 4/19 14:12:21
          That's a believable scenario as is the scenario that Porter - tgr MU - 4/19 14:11:22
               Washington already had the #1 NBA draft pick playing and - catbirdseat MU - 4/19 14:17:04
                    That guy is overrated.(nm) - Uncle John MU - 4/19 14:27:48
                         Still - catbirdseat MU - 4/19 14:45:35
               Once again, I'll just have to agree to disagree. (nm) - kmawv8 MU - 4/19 14:16:23
               UW firing a guy over the course of an afternoon over a rumor - phrejd MU - 4/19 14:13:08
                    It was the final straw for Romar. The top 5 recruiting class - zounami MU - 4/19 14:55:57
                         no it wasn't. he still had a top 5 recruiting class signed. - phrejd MU - 4/19 15:00:24
                    You do realize it didn't necessarily happen over the course - tgr MU - 4/19 14:17:51
                         show me a power 5 program that fired a coach in 24 hours - phrejd MU - 4/19 14:20:37
                              I don't know if there any accounts of how a firing went down - tgr MU - 4/19 14:26:10
                              The fact they sucked with the #1 pick in the upcoming draft - catbirdseat MU - 4/19 14:22:50
                                   same (nm) - phrejd MU - 4/19 14:23:27
                         I am saying this happened at Christmas Break - catbirdseat MU - 4/19 14:20:11
                    His leaving could've been the last straw - tjwheeler UI - 4/19 14:16:44
                         Porter Sr and family may have just been homesick.(nm) - Uncle John MU - 4/19 14:37:42
                              It's possible, sure. - tjwheeler UI - 4/19 15:07:56
                         Here is why I don't think MPJ was leaving prior to the - kmawv8 MU - 4/19 14:30:42
                              RE: Here is why I don't think MPJ was leaving prior to the - tjwheeler UI - 4/19 15:07:08
                                   MPJ did sign the LOI. He had to get released after Romar's - phrejd MU - 4/19 15:09:42
                              When Porter took the job, UW was coming off a 19 win - StaleyTiger MU - 4/19 14:33:26
          that's all i'm saying (nm) - phrejd MU - 4/19 14:08:24
               All that said, Cuonzo Martin deserves some credit - kmawv8 MU - 4/19 14:32:37
     Is that your take? Or do you have proof? If you don't have - MU-TULSA MU - 4/19 13:55:21
          Proof would be Porter Sr., HCCM and U of W all saying that - Lt. J. Dangle MU - 4/19 14:31:32
               Do you think Porter Sr. or Cuonzo would say anything - StaleyTiger MU - 4/19 14:34:28
                    So, you believe they knowingly broke the rules? Porter Sr - Lt. J. Dangle MU - 4/19 14:47:41
                         No I think agents and other intermediaries could have - StaleyTiger MU - 4/19 14:54:06
                    coaches can talk, but if UW doesn't Fire Romar MPJ has - MU-TULSA MU - 4/19 14:41:41
                         good lord people. I'M SAYING THE OPPOSITE OF THAT. - phrejd MU - 4/19 14:47:23
     No, those conversations likely happened well - FIJItiger MU - 4/19 13:48:05
          both Cuonzo and Porter Sr have said on record - wu-tangtiger MU - 4/19 14:02:48
               People seem to ignore the fact that all parties involved - Lt. J. Dangle MU - 4/19 14:33:01
          He makes it sound like it's far-fetched that new coach would - StaleyTiger MU - 4/19 14:00:25
               It's not far fetched in general, but under these specific - Lt. J. Dangle MU - 4/19 15:14:45
               Agents - catbirdseat MU - 4/19 14:02:19
          So you believe that Cuonzo wanted Porter Sr on his - kmawv8 MU - 4/19 14:00:06
               why isn't his ability to recuirt at least 2 great players - ajpe53 MU - 4/19 14:01:58
                    No, it should be taken into account. That would be part of - kmawv8 MU - 4/19 14:06:29
                         gotcha. all fair enough(nm) - ajpe53 MU - 4/19 14:07:59
     You should have your T levels checked - JayHoaxH8r MU - 4/19 13:47:23
     Who is "us"?(nm) - zodiac6 JC - 4/19 13:45:55
          drama queens (nm) - zounami MU - 4/19 14:30:35
          white people(nm) - ajpe53 MU - 4/19 13:47:00
               white people are the worst (nm) - phrejd MU - 4/19 13:50:32
     I don't know how it happened but: - tigerden MU - 4/19 13:40:42
          Porter Jr. did sign of LOI with Washington. (nm) - Lt. J. Dangle MU - 4/19 14:34:27
          probably about right. - phrejd MU - 4/19 13:48:00
               The Porters got Romar fired in 2017 instead of 2018. - tgr MU - 4/19 13:53:39
                    no (nm) - phrejd MU - 4/19 14:04:47
                    So, you're of the belief that the Porters uprooted their - kmawv8 MU - 4/19 13:58:29
                         Yes. I think MPSr wanted to be a men's assistant and his - tgr MU - 4/19 14:04:47
                              I will have to agree to disagree. (nm) - kmawv8 MU - 4/19 14:09:51
                              you're ignoring the fact that all this is at the expense of - phrejd MU - 4/19 14:07:54
                                   Do you think that Porter isn't using his son to get a job? - tgr MU - 4/19 14:15:24
          Very plausible. (nm) - TheWildcat STL - 4/19 13:41:59
               Also hadn't heard Romar got hired by Arizona (nm) - TheWildcat STL - 4/19 13:42:10
     i'm certainly relieved this is settled. those few idiots - 90Tiger MU - 4/19 13:32:18
     Do you think it's absurd that Cuonzo was told by Sterk - tgr MU - 4/19 13:31:18
          I don't think that's plausible - I seriously doubt that - tigerdb MU - 4/19 13:45:25
               He wouldn't have talked to Jr. That would have been - tgr MU - 4/19 13:49:29
                    Cuonzo recruited well at Cal; I think he wanted to be back - tigerdb MU - 4/19 13:54:42
          They are friends - catbirdseat MU - 4/19 13:32:56
               I'm betting this is how it went down: - tgr MU - 4/19 13:37:53
                    And completely legal - catbirdseat MU - 4/19 13:40:50
     Who really cares. All water under the bridge.(nm) - Uncle John MU - 4/19 13:29:54
          There seem to be two people pushing against the story - StaleyTiger MU - 4/19 13:45:14
               I am not a KA'er and I am Gonzo for Cuonzo, yet I am pushing - Lt. J. Dangle MU - 4/19 14:40:46
                    we are of the same mind on this (nm) - phrejd MU - 4/19 14:50:14
                    I agree, I could believe that Romar knew what was about to - MU-TULSA MU - 4/19 14:48:19
               There it is (nm) - phrejd MU - 4/19 13:49:27
          Exactly - whatever the story is/was, it doesn't matter. - tigerdb MU - 4/19 13:41:19
               And I'm going to go to a Mizzou bball game for the first - Uncle John MU - 4/19 13:52:49
                    dayum(nm) - tigerdb MU - 4/19 13:57:16
                         Figure I'll roll in for a Saturday afternoon game with - Uncle John MU - 4/19 14:04:12
          phrejd was pretty anti-Cuonzo before the hire and I think - tgr MU - 4/19 13:32:41
               Yep. Look at his posts. He still refuses to give him - StaleyTiger MU - 4/19 13:39:09
               Was Cuonzo 28th on his list of preferences like Zounami? (nm - hou4mu MU - 4/19 13:37:48
                    Cuonzo was in my top 10 list of candidates.... - zounami MU - 4/19 14:33:32
                    Whether he was or wasn't he has come around and is - Uncle John MU - 4/19 14:05:41
               I'm on to him. I've called him out for that before.(nm) - Uncle John MU - 4/19 13:35:00
               lol, no. but those of you who have given him supernatural - phrejd MU - 4/19 13:34:47
                    Not at all, people are just very excited after 3 horrible - Uncle John MU - 4/19 13:36:39
                         yeah, that must be it. - phrejd MU - 4/19 13:39:25
                              I don't even know what that means.(nm) - Uncle John MU - 4/19 13:54:27
                    We get it. You don't like him (nm) - TheWildcat STL - 4/19 13:35:29
                         i like him fine. he wasn't my top choice, but he certainly - phrejd MU - 4/19 13:38:11
                              I don't see anything unethical; if Cuonzo didn't reach out - tigerdb MU - 4/19 13:51:39
                              He is a good recruiter and has proven it before Missouri. - TheWildcat STL - 4/19 13:39:40
                                   i've never disagreed with that (nm) - phrejd MU - 4/19 13:42:09
               Ding Ding Ding (nm) - TheWildcat STL - 4/19 13:34:41
     There is no rules against adults speaking to each other. - catbirdseat MU - 4/19 13:27:50
     If you believe that any major college coach is a saint and - BigSlickTiger MU - 4/19 13:24:54
     They can be good men who operated in the gray regarding - Mizzmi27 MU - 4/19 13:23:41
          Bingo!! The NCAA rules aren't the same as the rules set - BigSlickTiger MU - 4/19 13:26:09
     Cuonzo has never never even had a wrist slap from - TheWildcat STL - 4/19 13:22:09
          that's the point, wildcat. try to keep up. - phrejd MU - 4/19 13:23:45
               those people are very stupid, and you should only - TigerwTLP MU - 4/19 13:26:41
                    well that's a good point (nm) - phrejd MU - 4/19 13:28:26
               I personally think the Porters were already thinking about - Mizzmi27 MU - 4/19 13:24:50
               I saw that speculation a month ago and haven't seen - TheWildcat STL - 4/19 13:24:34
                    scroll down (nm) - phrejd MU - 4/19 13:24:57
     I think that pretty much covers it.(nm) - sprintcar STL - 4/19 13:19:46




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