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RE: if probabilities are known, then "luck" can be measured...

Posted on: January 29, 2024 at 13:27:16 CT
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Luck is a measure of the deviation between a team’s actual winning percentage and what one would expect from its game-by-game efficiencies. ”Lucky" teams win more games than you'd expect them to based on their statistical profile and "unlucky" teams lose more than you'd expect. This is essentially a measure of the difference between a team's actual record, versus what Kenpom's rankings would predict their record would be, and he calls teams that overperform his predictions to be "lucky" and teams that underperform "unlucky". It basically represents the difference between his model and what actually happens.

To put in laymen's terms, 'luck' in many ways quantifiably measures coaching. A team that underperforms its talent and fails to realize the potential of their assembled roster is unlucky. And a team that exceeds its player's abilities and collective output is lucky. Its not quite this simple as teams like ku that have unfair officiating advantages and protected homecourts often show up high in the luck metric as well irregardless of poor coaching. But as a coach, having a high 'luck' metric should be a badge of honor because it means that your team is outperforming what the statistical model predicts it should be able to do based on your players. Coaching isn't easily quantifiable, but 'luck' may be one of the best indicators of capturing it.
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     It's more a matter of talent or lack thereof - hou4mu MU - 1/29 14:59:24
     Luck doesn’t really measure luck per se - FIJItiger MU - 1/29 13:13:19
          I don’t think it measures coaching - haeffb MU - 1/29 15:47:43
          if probabilities are known, then "luck" can be measured... - zounami MU - 1/29 13:18:50
               RE: if probabilities are known, then "luck" can be measured... - FIJItiger MU - 1/29 13:27:16
                    The current Kenpom Top 10 has 2 teams below 100 - haeffb MU - 1/29 15:51:26
                         exactly... there's no correlation between the "luck" metric - zounami MU - 1/29 17:24:04
                              To be perfectly clear - haeffb MU - 1/29 18:16:51
                                   Pomeroy calls it "luck" because there's no better way to - zounami MU - 1/29 18:28:05
                                        A better way is “error” (nm) - haeffb MU - 1/29 18:35:49
                                             lol, you should email KP and let him know that he doesn't - zounami MU - 1/29 18:47:39
                                                  That is quite literally what it measures. - haeffb MU - 1/29 18:57:01
                                                       Your understanding of it is flawed. What's the expected - zounami MU - 1/29 19:40:46
                                                            What’s the predicted outcome - haeffb MU - 1/29 20:28:32
                    if "luck" measured coaching prowess, then there would be - zounami MU - 1/29 13:58:34
     Correct,UCF,Tenn×2 etc... this year only bad luck(nm) - oldtgr MU - 1/29 12:44:53
     This stat does not surprise me(nm) - DevilsAdvocate KC - 1/29 12:30:49
          win-loss record is important, but it doesn't tell the whole - zounami MU - 1/29 13:09:13
               That's true but they held their own in the conference(nm) - alstl MU - 1/29 13:27:25
     Every coach we have had has A bad year. Some more than - thytiger MU - 1/29 11:21:10
          I could see having a guy like that though on the team - Genco98 MU - 1/29 11:32:21
     Ask your mom for your morning meds (nm) - ChinaTiger KC - 1/29 11:00:54
          such a low IQ reply (nm) - zounami MU - 1/29 11:02:05
               Just yell up to her from the basement - ChinaTiger KC - 1/29 11:12:06
     Ball don't lie - Gavin Citrus MU - 1/29 10:34:05
          Sports involve probabilities, and when probabilities defy - zounami MU - 1/29 10:36:36
               Probabilities can’t defy the odds - haeffb MU - 1/29 15:37:02
                    (1) correct, "probabilities" should have been "outcome"... - zounami MU - 1/29 17:09:54
                         Is it a lucky break? - haeffb MU - 1/29 18:18:43
                              lol, you can't be serious (nm) - zounami MU - 1/29 18:32:27
                                   Why can I not? Do you think past performance predicts - haeffb MU - 1/29 18:51:52
               Harder to have consistent bad luck in basketball - KC rules MU - 1/29 10:49:30
                    On tv they said Mizzou’s average deficit is 4 points - wu-tangtiger MU - 1/29 10:52:55
                         We are not getting down by a lot but we also are - KC rules MU - 1/29 11:20:42
                              Mizzou had USC beat at home - wu-tangtiger MU - 1/29 11:33:20
               just the opposite of football - Fire Marshall Bill MU - 1/29 10:42:19
                    absolutely, and I pointed that out in '22... - zounami MU - 1/29 10:43:13




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