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Posted on: June 8, 2022 at 16:31:17 CT
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"I'm not aware of any red flag laws which allow someone to be deprived of their right to keep and bear arms simply on the subjective belief of someone that he might commit a crime. No serious person is proposing that.
And I wouldn't support such a law, nor would such a law stand up to constitutional challenge."

When I pointed out that people have indeed been clamoring for red flag laws to apply to people with mental health issues, on legal/prescription drugs, etc., you didn't dispute that, nor claim that it would be unconstitutional, but seemed to be on board with such laws:

As for your second point, it would depend on the "mental issues". Someone who is successfully treated for depression should not be prevented, and constitutionally could not be. Someone who is a raging untreated schizophrenic who thinks that all white people are trying to kill him, another story.
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Anyone supporting red flag laws - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 6/8 15:06:52
     who makes the decision? - fatrat MU - 6/8 16:25:15
          A judge - Spanky KU - 6/8 17:01:55
               guilty until proven inocent - fatrat MU - 6/8 17:38:53
                    Due process(nm) - Spanky KU - 6/8 17:47:32
     We lock up people who haven’t been convicted of a crime - El-ahrairah BAMA - 6/8 15:56:50
     Correct. Guilty until proven innocent.(nm) - DollarSigns MU - 6/8 15:40:07
     Can you explain why you think that? I support red flag laws - *M* KC - 6/8 15:22:35
          Because this allows the legal system, at their subjective - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 6/8 15:30:36
               Another good example--even more timely - *M* KC - 6/8 15:53:55
                    What if he doesn't admit his intention? (nm) - ummmm MU - 6/8 16:07:02
                         Then it's a different case. And a more difficult one* - *M* KC - 6/8 16:08:22
                              Then you put it up to an impartial DC area judge - ummmm MU - 6/8 16:10:35
                                   RE: Then you put it up to an impartial DC area judge - *M* KC - 6/8 16:14:06
                                        Well, the real world example happened in a DC area - ummmm MU - 6/8 16:18:38
                                             RE: Well, the real world example happened in a DC area - *M* KC - 6/8 16:21:54
                                                  There is nothing good about red flag laws. Nothing. - ummmm MU - 6/8 16:25:33
                                                       He is a liberal (nm) - Panthera MU - 6/8 18:17:29
                                                       The right not to be slaughtered is simply - *M* KC - 6/8 16:34:53
                                                            Well, one's right to life does not mean taking property from - ummmm MU - 6/8 16:39:02
                                                                 It can. If you point your gun at me and tell me you're - *M* KC - 6/8 16:43:41
                                                                      You have the right to self defense, that is correct. - ummmm MU - 6/8 16:47:20
                                                                           I’d do it anyway - *M* KC - 6/8 17:25:58
                    Showing up with guns and making threats is an action - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 6/8 15:59:40
                         I agree, it is an overt act. But merely admitting "this is - *M* KC - 6/8 16:02:52
                    Wouldn't that already be covered under conspiracy laws? (nm) - JeffB MU - 6/8 15:56:41
                         No. He's acting alone. It's not a conspiracy unless there - *M* KC - 6/8 15:59:08
               I disagree - *M* KC - 6/8 15:32:46
                    RFLs allow violate equal protection. They are triggered by - BH O'bonga MU - 6/8 15:56:15
                    What safeguards are there to protect you, not from anything - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 6/8 15:37:24
                         RE: What safeguards are there to protect you, not from anything - *M* KC - 6/8 15:45:59
                              Now you just have to define overt act and crime. - ummmm MU - 6/8 15:59:28
                                   but if you save one life.... (nm) - kmawv8 MU - 6/8 16:03:11
                                        Yeah, *M* bought into that mantra at the time - ummmm MU - 6/8 16:04:07
                                             If you can link to a post where I said - *M* KC - 6/8 16:07:15
                                                  I didn't say that you said it exactly, I said you bought - ummmm MU - 6/8 16:08:09
                                                       Actually my defense of masks wasn't based on that at all - *M* KC - 6/8 16:09:52
                                                            You're mischaracterizing it. - ummmm MU - 6/8 16:15:39
                                                                 The "mantra" which you said, a few minutes ago, that I - *M* KC - 6/8 16:19:04
                                                                      Yeah, there's no difference between "one life" and "a life" - ummmm MU - 6/8 16:23:13
                                                                           The mantra that kmaw cited, that you said I "bought into", - *M* KC - 6/8 16:24:51
                                                                                Yes, that is what he said. - ummmm MU - 6/8 16:34:12
                                                                                     You're the one who made a mischaracterization - *M* KC - 6/8 16:38:56
                                                                                          Wear a mask, you might save someone's grandma. - ummmm MU - 6/8 16:39:52
                                                                                               RE: Wear a mask, you might save someone's grandma. - *M* KC - 6/8 16:46:29
                                                                                                    You said it multiple times. And that is THE mantra. - ummmm MU - 6/8 16:48:29
                              Holding someone accountable for a crime is not, to my - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 6/8 15:58:15
                                   RE: Holding someone accountable for a crime is not, to my - *M* KC - 6/8 16:00:19
                              In the Uvalde case the BB gun incident would have been - JeffB MU - 6/8 15:54:48
                                   RE: In the Uvalde case the BB gun incident would have been - *M* KC - 6/8 15:58:36
                                        You have already changed your story from overt acts only to - JeffB MU - 6/8 16:16:26
                                             No, I didn't - *M* KC - 6/8 16:20:16
                                                  You originally wrote: - JeffB MU - 6/8 16:31:17
                                        So, the "due process" is expanding from your overt act - ummmm MU - 6/8 16:02:59
                                        What if that well treated patient goes off their meds? - kmawv8 MU - 6/8 16:01:12
                                   That problem is how one defines "mental issues". - kmawv8 MU - 6/8 15:55:46
                                        Exactly. Communist Russia was notorious for locking people - JeffB MU - 6/8 15:58:23
          due process must not mean much to you (nm) - Sal CMSU - 6/8 15:30:29
               as donald trump said "Take the guns first. Go through due - noodle MU - 6/8 15:40:00
               It means a great deal to me. I've spent the last - *M* KC - 6/8 15:34:02
          of course you do (nm) - SwampTiger MU - 6/8 15:28:08
     ^^^red flag^^^(nm) - cnk ATL - 6/8 15:11:58
          ^^^ red neck ^^^(nm) - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 6/8 15:21:35




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