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In the Uvalde case the BB gun incident would have been

Posted on: June 8, 2022 at 15:54:48 CT

JeffB MU

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before age 18. Wouldn't his record have been expunged on his 18th birthday?

Also, people have been saying that people with mental issues should not be able to purchase a gun. Those aren't always due to overt criminal acts... probably most aren't.

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Anyone supporting red flag laws - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 6/8 15:06:52

who makes the decision? - fatrat MU - 6/8 16:25:15

A judge - Spanky KU - 6/8 17:01:55

guilty until proven inocent - fatrat MU - 6/8 17:38:53

Due process(nm) - Spanky KU - 6/8 17:47:32

We lock up people who haven’t been convicted of a crime - El-ahrairah BAMA - 6/8 15:56:50

Correct. Guilty until proven innocent.(nm) - DollarSigns MU - 6/8 15:40:07

Can you explain why you think that? I support red flag laws - *M* KC - 6/8 15:22:35

Because this allows the legal system, at their subjective - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 6/8 15:30:36

Another good example--even more timely - *M* KC - 6/8 15:53:55

What if he doesn't admit his intention? (nm) - ummmm MU - 6/8 16:07:02

Then it's a different case. And a more difficult one* - *M* KC - 6/8 16:08:22

Then you put it up to an impartial DC area judge - ummmm MU - 6/8 16:10:35

RE: Then you put it up to an impartial DC area judge - *M* KC - 6/8 16:14:06

Well, the real world example happened in a DC area - ummmm MU - 6/8 16:18:38

RE: Well, the real world example happened in a DC area - *M* KC - 6/8 16:21:54

There is nothing good about red flag laws. Nothing. - ummmm MU - 6/8 16:25:33

He is a liberal (nm) - Panthera MU - 6/8 18:17:29

The right not to be slaughtered is simply - *M* KC - 6/8 16:34:53

Well, one's right to life does not mean taking property from - ummmm MU - 6/8 16:39:02

It can. If you point your gun at me and tell me you're - *M* KC - 6/8 16:43:41

You have the right to self defense, that is correct. - ummmm MU - 6/8 16:47:20

I’d do it anyway - *M* KC - 6/8 17:25:58

Showing up with guns and making threats is an action - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 6/8 15:59:40

I agree, it is an overt act. But merely admitting "this is - *M* KC - 6/8 16:02:52

Wouldn't that already be covered under conspiracy laws? (nm) - JeffB MU

- 6/8 15:56:41

No. He's acting alone. It's not a conspiracy unless there - *M* KC - 6/8 15:59:08

I disagree - *M* KC - 6/8 15:32:46

RFLs allow violate equal protection. They are triggered by - BH O'bonga MU - 6/8 15:56:15

What safeguards are there to protect you, not from anything - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 6/8 15:37:24

RE: What safeguards are there to protect you, not from anything - *M* KC - 6/8 15:45:59

Now you just have to define overt act and crime. - ummmm MU - 6/8 15:59:28

but if you save one life.... (nm) - kmawv8 MU - 6/8 16:03:11

Yeah, *M* bought into that mantra at the time - ummmm MU - 6/8 16:04:07

If you can link to a post where I said - *M* KC - 6/8 16:07:15

I didn't say that you said it exactly, I said you bought - ummmm MU - 6/8 16:08:09

Actually my defense of masks wasn't based on that at all - *M* KC - 6/8 16:09:52

You're mischaracterizing it. - ummmm MU - 6/8 16:15:39

The "mantra" which you said, a few minutes ago, that I - *M* KC - 6/8 16:19:04

Yeah, there's no difference between "one life" and "a life" - ummmm MU - 6/8 16:23:13

The mantra that kmaw cited, that you said I "bought into", - *M* KC - 6/8 16:24:51

Yes, that is what he said. - ummmm MU - 6/8 16:34:12

You're the one who made a mischaracterization - *M* KC - 6/8 16:38:56

Wear a mask, you might save someone's grandma. - ummmm MU - 6/8 16:39:52

RE: Wear a mask, you might save someone's grandma. - *M* KC - 6/8 16:46:29

You said it multiple times. And that is THE mantra. - ummmm MU - 6/8 16:48:29

Holding someone accountable for a crime is not, to my - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 6/8 15:58:15

RE: Holding someone accountable for a crime is not, to my - *M* KC - 6/8 16:00:19

In the Uvalde case the BB gun incident would have been - JeffB MU

- 6/8 15:54:48

RE: In the Uvalde case the BB gun incident would have been - *M* KC - 6/8 15:58:36

You have already changed your story from overt acts only to - JeffB MU

- 6/8 16:16:26

No, I didn't - *M* KC - 6/8 16:20:16

You originally wrote: - JeffB MU

- 6/8 16:31:17

So, the "due process" is expanding from your overt act - ummmm MU - 6/8 16:02:59

What if that well treated patient goes off their meds? - kmawv8 MU - 6/8 16:01:12

That problem is how one defines "mental issues". - kmawv8 MU - 6/8 15:55:46

Exactly. Communist Russia was notorious for locking people - JeffB MU

- 6/8 15:58:23

due process must not mean much to you (nm) - Sal CMSU - 6/8 15:30:29

as donald trump said "Take the guns first. Go through due - noodle MU - 6/8 15:40:00

It means a great deal to me. I've spent the last - *M* KC - 6/8 15:34:02

of course you do (nm) - SwampTiger MU - 6/8 15:28:08

^^^red flag^^^(nm) - cnk ATL - 6/8 15:11:58

^^^ red neck ^^^(nm) - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 6/8 15:21:35