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How do you explain Catholic priests molesting children?

Posted on: May 28, 2024 at 23:09:35 CT
LamarFrazier MU
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Or the sexual abuse within the Southern Baptist Convention?

I appreciate your responses and respect your self discipline. I do think our culture needs more of it. It's also refreshing to have a civil discussion here even though I think we see the world differently. That means a lot to me.

But, I am comfortable not agreeing with your premise because I see shame as perpetuating an external locus of control by which others tell us who we are, what is peaceful, and what needs to honor or dishonor.

In my experience, suppression/repression of human needs is incredibly violent both internally to a person and externally because the repressed needs are projected onto others. And, any shaming is going to lead to suffering and abuse of self and/or others because shaming implies a person is not worthy. This is why the Catholic church both hid horrendous sexual abuse and preached a hardline shaming of premarital sex as "immorality." We shame what we feel shame about.

I'd even argue that when we repress/suppress our basic human needs (including sexuality) it perpetuates a disconnect from spirit. It's the antithesis of Christ-centered. Most Christians I've known are the least loving people because they routinely ignore their needs for years by allowing others to tell them who they are, what they need, and what it means to be "good." Instead of being connected to the holy spirit within and allowing their spirit-led peace to direct their choices (internal locus of control), they live their lives judging and shaming others who don't also suppress and repress their needs.

The fruit of the spirit is seldom practiced within Christian churches because very few Christians truly understand the liberatory nature of love without judgement. Few are free enough to have an internal locus of control which stems from spirit.

And when we're not truly free in spirit we cause violence.

Edited by LamarFrazier at 23:19:01 on 05/28/24
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Anyone here attend Liberty University? - LamarFrazier MU - 5/28 21:13:19
     So don't attend - TigerFan92 STL - 5/29 07:54:41
          Obviously I'd defend anyone's right to attend or not* - LamarFrazier MU - 5/29 14:03:39
     That doesn’t seem too bad - El-ahrairah BAMA - 5/29 06:35:21
          Clearly holding hands with a male student makes her - LamarFrazier MU - 5/29 10:00:32
     RE: Anyone here attend Liberty University? - sarasotatiger MU - 5/28 21:44:59
     Their President didn't - Ace A - 5/28 21:19:52
          I doubt most Liberty U leaders do - LamarFrazier MU - 5/28 21:22:15
               My neighbor's 2 kids attended Liberty. Homeschooled - Ace A - 5/28 21:30:40
                    Can they be happy Christian-side hugging through life? - LamarFrazier MU - 5/28 21:37:39
                         My son graduated from there... - DesertTiger MU - 5/28 22:17:03
                              Congrats to him - LamarFrazier MU - 5/28 22:33:57
                                   RE: Congrats to him - DesertTiger MU - 5/28 22:41:43
                                        How do you explain Catholic priests molesting children? - LamarFrazier MU - 5/28 23:09:35
                                             sexuality is in no way a basic human need - DesertTiger MU - 5/29 09:49:14
                                                  Systemic sexual abuse within the church isn't just a mistake - LamarFrazier MU - 5/29 09:57:31
                                             How do you explain Jeffery Epstein or anyone else?(nm) - TigerMatt STL - 5/28 23:27:28
                                                  The same way - LamarFrazier MU - 5/28 23:29:00
                                                       so any sexual 'need' (desire) - DesertTiger MU - 5/29 09:53:01
                                                            In no way did I say any sexual act is a need - LamarFrazier MU - 5/29 09:59:44
                                                                 no, sexual connection is also NOT a basic human need - DesertTiger MU - 5/29 10:34:40
                                                                      I acknowledge they think sexual suppression is holy - LamarFrazier MU - 5/29 13:58:49
                                                                           yet more failure on your part to understand - DesertTiger MU - 5/29 14:52:06
                                                                                Oh I understand it really well. - LamarFrazier MU - 5/29 18:36:05
                                                       How was Epstein suppressed?(nm) - TigerMatt STL - 5/28 23:30:12
                                                            is this a serious question? - LamarFrazier MU - 5/28 23:31:18
                                                                 It is. One you’ve failed to answer.(nm) - TigerMatt STL - 5/29 00:04:39
                                                                      I answered it honestly.* - LamarFrazier MU - 5/29 00:06:50
                                                                           RE: I answered it honestly.* - sarasotatiger MU - 5/29 04:18:08
                                                                                You're entitled to your opinion and - LamarFrazier MU - 5/29 09:51:54
                                   You are painting with a very vague, broad brush. - JeffB MU - 5/28 22:36:24
                                        Here you go (link) - LamarFrazier MU - 5/28 22:41:03
                                             They expel students for 'sexual immorality' or holding hands - JeffB MU - 5/28 22:51:47
                                                  I could be wrong but aren't those codes the same for - LamarFrazier MU - 5/28 23:17:42
                                             so helping young horny - DesertTiger MU - 5/28 22:45:03
                                                  The slippery slope view doesn't help them to - LamarFrazier MU - 5/28 23:14:25
                                                       'instilling a belief that sexual urges is "sin"' is a false - JeffB MU - 5/28 23:21:06
                                                            From the Liberty Honor Code... - LamarFrazier MU - 5/28 23:27:51
                                                                 Recommendations to 'avoid visiting' the rooms of those - JeffB MU - 5/28 23:57:25
                                                                      Well attendance at a dance is a 5 pt deduction. - LamarFrazier MU - 5/29 00:06:13
                                                            "sexual activity" - LamarFrazier MU - 5/28 23:24:50
                                                                 Jesus didn’t speak on every possible situation humans - TigerMatt STL - 5/29 00:03:11
                                                                      Good post. (nm) - JeffB MU - 5/29 11:17:40
                                                                      I agree . - LamarFrazier MU - 5/29 00:12:04
                                                                 If you reject the Sacred Scriptures and the Church, how - JeffB MU - 5/28 23:55:42
                                                                      Christ's love isn't something I read. - LamarFrazier MU - 5/29 00:15:55
                                                                           I have no doubt that Christ's love has touched you. My point - JeffB MU - 5/29 12:02:03
                                                                                I don't reject the scriptures, I contextualize them - LamarFrazier MU - 5/29 13:55:39
                                                                      How was Abraham declared righteous? He had no scripture.(nm) - TigerMatt STL - 5/29 00:03:56
                                                                           Justification 'being declared righteous', is a totally - JeffB MU - 5/29 12:19:28
                                                                           And Abraham was willing to murder his own son. - LamarFrazier MU - 5/29 00:18:42
                                                                 Why are you attacking a strawman?(nm) - TigerMatt STL - 5/28 23:29:35
                                                                      Tell me more(nm) - LamarFrazier MU - 5/28 23:30:02
                                                                           Meant to post this here. - TigerMatt STL - 5/29 00:05:28
                                                                                thanks(nm) - LamarFrazier MU - 5/29 00:12:25




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