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Posted on: April 6, 2021 at 15:31:37 CT
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an argument. However there may be points people can disagree with but your overall conclusion is really hard to argue except with hope and speculation. I've never thought he was anything but a middle of the pack coach with no longevity at any stop. Hopefully establishing some stability here would give him the opportunity to do better. However he got it done it can't be denied that to have taken the program to 2 NCAA Tournaments in 4 years is a good job based on where the program was. Here's the other side of it. That is good on the surface but you have to show progress towards doing better but some see the program stuck in neutral or reverse. The other thing is there have been games left on the table (5 this year alone) that could have put him and the team in a better position. As trends go you have to applaud the 13-3 start but you can't ignore the 3-10 finish to the unstable roster right now. That's totally on coaching no matter how you try and paint it. So it's a mixed bag left to each fan to view which way they feel it's headed. I'm in the hopeful camp but not willing to give a heavy endorsement. I said a while ago before all the transfer I didn't think the team next year would be as bad as most thought. It still might not be but the prospects have been seriously muddled.

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Reasons I can confidently say Martin won't succeed here - FIJItiger MU - 4/6 13:49:58
     Steve Musser was a starting guard for us, so our current - go tigers MU - 4/6 23:02:46
          What year was he our starting guard? I will help you - Erwin Fletcher STL - 4/7 09:39:30
     since you had zero ability to play the game and even less - Jeff80 MU - 4/6 22:33:22
     I think your conclusions on all points are offbase - MizzouGunner MU - 4/6 22:08:15
     RE: Reasons I can confidently say Martin won't succeed here - SEMO_Hillbilly UMKC - 4/6 18:31:02
     very fair post. I'd add... - LamarFrazier MU - 4/6 17:09:40
     By not mentioning it you discount MUs greatest asset - Fred G. Sanford USA - 4/6 16:09:44
     Both Kim and Cuonzo don't cheat - the only person who - alstl MU - 4/6 15:57:23
          RE: Both Kim and Cuonzo don't cheat - the only person who - THEGROVE68 MU - 4/6 23:42:36
          YOU don't give a flying flamingo but a vast majority of the - DHighlander NWMSU - 4/6 16:19:44
          This take is still as dumb as the first thousand times you - zounami MU - 4/6 16:12:10
               It's crazy. He thinks if we had been in the big 12 with KA - Lt. J. Dangle MU - 4/6 16:17:13
                    Guy's an idiot. Same stupid **** over and over. (nm) - Lerxst MU - 4/6 17:20:20
                         correct (nm) - zounami MU - 4/6 19:24:06
          If Haith cheated I would hate your opinion of Norm(nm) - El-ahrairah BAMA - 4/6 16:06:12
     Agree with 4tigs - meatiger MU - 4/6 15:42:10
     It wasn't in the worst shape by a long shot and not even - longtimereader MU - 4/6 15:31:37
          RE: It wasn't in the worst shape by a long shot and not even - THEGROVE68 MU - 4/6 23:49:47
          The roster he inherited included: - quicksand MU - 4/6 17:57:47
               Yet that is a better start than what he has going into year - DHighlander NWMSU - 4/6 19:12:04
          RE: It wasn't in the worst shape by a long shot and not even - Third_Eye STL - 4/6 16:01:55
          especially considering the players he either inherited or - zounami MU - 4/6 15:48:11
               RE: especially considering the players he either inherited or - Third_Eye STL - 4/6 16:13:56
     You might be right.. - Wibb MU - 4/6 15:20:44
          I probably worded that poorly, and didn't do a good - FIJItiger MU - 4/6 15:32:51
               "his luck in doing so" is what Wibb was taking issue with... - zounami MU - 4/6 15:45:09
                    Exactly correct - Wibb MU - 4/6 15:47:21
                         IMO, the sample size is too small to draw a conclusion... - zounami MU - 4/6 15:50:28
          Agreed. Hopefully a few of the guys he brings in - Eggs MU - 4/6 15:30:15
          Agreed. CM could still succeed here, especially if he is - zounami MU - 4/6 15:27:04
     (2) is deeply concerning... however, the biggest issue is - zounami MU - 4/6 15:15:52
          RE: (2) is deeply concerning... however, the biggest issue is - THEGROVE68 MU - 4/6 23:58:02
     Weren't you confident that Scott Drew was a bad coach - tgr MU - 4/6 14:28:10
          No, not that he wouldn't succeed - FIJItiger MU - 4/6 15:25:22
               Wait, so when you said in 2017 that he was a bad coach, you - Lt. J. Dangle MU - 4/6 15:41:56
                    Yes, I had already formed my opinion of him - FIJItiger MU - 4/6 15:45:33
                         Funny in December of 2017, you said he was a terrific - Lt. J. Dangle MU - 4/6 15:56:10
                              That entire post is sarcasm - FIJItiger MU - 4/6 16:28:39
                         Well, that's pretty narrow minded and not really all that - Lt. J. Dangle MU - 4/6 15:50:34
                              No my opinion is the same(nm) - FIJItiger MU - 4/6 16:29:05
                                   So, he's evolved but still a bad coach that just won - Lt. J. Dangle MU - 4/6 16:40:59
                                        RE: So, he's evolved but still a bad coach that just won - THEGROVE68 MU - 4/7 00:09:12
                                             I would say that getting talent is a skill set required for - Lt. J. Dangle MU - 4/7 09:21:57
                                        I wouldn’t want him as our coach, on account - FIJItiger MU - 4/6 16:43:02
               Smart people evolve; others sre stuck in their ways (nm) - hou4mu MU - 4/6 15:36:17
                    RE: Smart people evolve; others sre stuck in their ways (nm) - 90Tiger STL - 4/6 17:42:53
          perfect reflection when i suggested drew to follow kim ... - tmcats KSU - 4/6 15:01:55
          RE: Weren't you confident that Scott Drew was a bad coach - Lt. J. Dangle MU - 4/6 14:58:57
               Dangle got them reciepts - tsutiger57 MU - 4/6 15:05:16
     2) He saddled himself with MPsr and hirin g a friend rarely - tigertix MU - 4/6 14:25:37
     I disagree with your preface. How many coaches talking - DHighlander NWMSU - 4/6 14:15:07
          But Cuonzo accumulated those roster parts - FIJItiger MU - 4/6 15:23:50
               He did not recruit the Porters and those that followed them. - DHighlander NWMSU - 4/6 16:03:12
                    RE: He did not recruit the Porters and those that followed them. - Third_Eye STL - 4/6 17:33:57
                         Without CM we would have most likely still landed the - DHighlander NWMSU - 4/6 17:48:34
     The worst part is, I really like CM and a person and coach - Delicious MU - 4/6 13:55:39
          Agree, I think he is capable of building MU to - FIJItiger MU - 4/6 13:59:37
     Per you opening line, I have to say this - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/6 13:55:03
          Exactly. Nobody can oversell Mizzou 'scandals' like Mizzou - Tigerfish MU - 4/6 15:25:28
               RE: Exactly. Nobody can oversell Mizzou 'scandals' like Mizzou - THEGROVE68 MU - 4/7 00:14:58
          Do we forget that Baylor was also banned from playing - Outsider MU - 4/6 14:31:38
          Not to trivialize that man's life, but he never actually - FIJItiger MU - 4/6 13:57:59
               No. Baylor was worse. - alwaysright MU - 4/6 14:21:39
                    No question. Actual homicide on the squad and a possible - DHighlander NWMSU - 4/6 14:23:53
                         This MU player was murdered - FIJItiger MU - 4/6 15:21:40
                              Was he murdered by a teammate only to have his coach try - DHighlander NWMSU - 4/6 16:24:37
                         Bliss's teams would have mudered KA's.... - tigertix MU - 4/6 14:28:14
                              I see what you did there(nm) - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/6 14:44:48
                              I don't remember much of Bliss' team being around - DHighlander NWMSU - 4/6 14:35:35
               But it wasn't. CM had a total rebuild of Kim's roster done - DHighlander NWMSU - 4/6 14:17:50
                    Of the 9 players who appeared in 20 games or more on - sprintcar STL - 4/6 14:29:44
                         Barnett was a top 100 recruit, Puryear was a solid player - DHighlander NWMSU - 4/6 14:45:32
                              Interesting take here - wu-tangtiger MU - 4/6 15:52:27
                                   Barnett's success had nothing to do with CM. He was a very - DHighlander NWMSU - 4/6 16:10:47
                                        Now this is amusing - wu-tangtiger MU - 4/6 16:15:48
                                             His output went from 12 to 13 PPG. You keep focusing on - DHighlander NWMSU - 4/6 16:42:12
                                                  You keep claiming to be a coach but don’t understand how - wu-tangtiger MU - 4/6 16:48:14
                                                       Here is what I know as a coach. A guy who averages 12 pts - DHighlander NWMSU - 4/6 17:43:16
                                                            Did you watch the games? - wu-tangtiger MU - 4/6 17:47:25
                                                                 I hope he had more impact he was on the court 8 minutes - DHighlander NWMSU - 4/6 20:08:59
               Can you list the things that feel were so insurrmountable - XRob MU - 4/6 13:59:47
                    Alabama turned in 2 years. Its coaching and recruiting.nm - FentonMizzou MU - 4/6 14:13:03
                         Alabama was not in as bad of a spot when Oats was hired - wu-tangtiger MU - 4/6 14:36:52
                    and even then i'd say our AD's office killed the program. - TigerA MU - 4/6 14:01:56
                         The ADs office was likely forced to make that hire(nm) - DollarSigns MU - 4/6 14:10:23
                    The total destruction of MU basketball and overwhelming - FIJItiger MU - 4/6 14:00:50
                         What a bunch of nonsense - XRob MU - 4/6 15:13:46
                         i forgot about how the APR complications have hurt us(nm) - TigerA MU - 4/6 14:02:21
                              That was a complete joke. Schools with one and done players - DHighlander NWMSU - 4/6 14:20:30




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