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In this specific case, it is step one in rebuilding MU bb

Posted on: August 16, 2021 at 11:54:16 CT
FIJItiger MU
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The most important factor in the equation of program success is head coach. MU needs to replace its head coach before starting to try and rebuild to a pre-2014 state. Otherwise we are just treading water or sliding backwards.

Firing a coach is not always a prudent option. But it is when you don't have a good coach.
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A look at MU’s support staff - FIJItiger MU - 8/16 08:15:08
     What’s shameful is your analysis - tigerden MU - 8/16 12:53:45
          Apologies you found it offensive, I was intending to - FIJItiger MU - 8/16 14:31:12
               Your apology needs to go to everyone reading your nonsense - tigerden MU - 8/16 16:21:31
     Even if you accept Wu-T's assertion that program funding is - DHighlander NWMSU - 8/16 09:58:24
          It's everyone's fault BUT CM, of course(nm) - LamarFrazier MU - 8/16 15:11:56
          That is a fair point. While he can't control it, he - GeorgiaTiger76 MU - 8/16 12:47:08
          Lol you think CM determines AD budget allocation? - zoomer 99 - 8/16 10:47:00
               lol you don't think the HC of the men's bb program has any - phrejd MU - 8/16 11:07:59
               Funding is a ruse to change narrative from product/direction - Sigma MU - 8/16 10:52:13
                    Lack of funding is the new version of - FIJItiger MU - 8/16 11:16:18
                         LoL..that's a good one. - Sigma MU - 8/16 11:44:52
                         No KA failed on his own. - wu-tangtiger MU - 8/16 11:35:27
                              And the first resource that needs to be added is a competent - DHighlander NWMSU - 8/16 11:38:41
                                   It’s funny how many posters here don’t think - wu-tangtiger MU - 8/16 11:41:01
                                        He has averaged lower half finishes for four years, he is - DHighlander NWMSU - 8/16 11:49:43
                                             I get it you think he should have taken Mizzou - wu-tangtiger MU - 8/16 12:05:22
                                                  Have you once heard me talk about final fours or - DHighlander NWMSU - 8/16 13:16:30
                                                  this might help - phrejd MU - 8/16 12:08:09
                              solid only by comparison to KA honestly. he needs - TigerA MU - 8/16 11:37:08
                                   Wu-T only compares CM to KA. There is a good reason for - DHighlander NWMSU - 8/16 11:42:20
                                        Cuonzo staying doesn’t help me any - wu-tangtiger MU - 8/16 11:45:36
                                             Bullshít, most of CM's limiting factors are internal. - DHighlander NWMSU - 8/16 11:53:46
                                                  Drink is proof that investment - wu-tangtiger MU - 8/16 12:06:20
                                                       [rolls eyes] (nm) - phrejd MU - 8/16 12:09:09
                                                            It is hard to take this guy seriously.(nm) - DHighlander NWMSU - 8/16 13:17:09
                              They are 100% equivalent excuses, there is no - FIJItiger MU - 8/16 11:36:24
                                   I get it you guys think the solution is to continue - wu-tangtiger MU - 8/16 11:40:12
                                        And you think the solution is to continue on with a - DHighlander NWMSU - 8/16 11:56:40
                                             Your a coach? And believe Hamilton isn’t a good coach (nm) - wu-tangtiger MU - 8/16 12:09:24
                                                  is that the criteria now? you have to be a coach to be able - phrejd MU - 8/16 12:19:18
                                                       He says he’s a coach and can’t tell (nm) - wu-tangtiger MU - 8/16 13:10:51
                                        In this specific case, it is step one in rebuilding MU bb - FIJItiger MU - 8/16 11:54:16
                                             In CBB the head coach is the only variable that matters. - DHighlander NWMSU - 8/16 12:01:43
                                                  This isn’t true. Quin is the best coach to come through - wu-tangtiger MU - 8/16 12:08:25
                                                       Seriously? Quin is a good coach now, he was not mature - DHighlander NWMSU - 8/16 13:13:03
                                                            The AD should have helped keep a couple - wu-tangtiger MU - 8/16 13:16:28
                                                                 You are seriously dumb as fück! Yes, he was an immature - DHighlander NWMSU - 8/16 13:24:52
                                                                      So a mentor on staff doesn’t help? - wu-tangtiger MU - 8/16 13:28:32
                                                                           A guy getting paid millions of dollars a year to lead a - DHighlander NWMSU - 8/16 13:45:56
                                                                 wait are we waiting for cuonzo to mature - phrejd MU - 8/16 13:20:53
                                                                      He has compared him to Leonard Hamilton multiple times. - DHighlander NWMSU - 8/16 13:29:24
                                                                           The only Hamilton comp that’s been made was that - wu-tangtiger MU - 8/16 13:54:15
                                                       lol you bounce around to so many silly topics - phrejd MU - 8/16 12:16:24
                                                            Quin was below .500 his last 2 seasons - wu-tangtiger MU - 8/16 12:21:17
                                                                 cuonzo has already had 2 sub .500 seasons and is working - phrejd MU - 8/16 12:31:18
                                                                      When is the last time - wu-tangtiger MU - 8/16 12:53:04
                                                                           Cuonzo has yet to start or end any season at MU ranked (nm) - FIJItiger MU - 8/16 13:04:38
                                                                                yeah i'm not sure what point he's trying to make with this - phrejd MU - 8/16 13:19:48
                                                                                     What’s the goal for Mizzou hoops? - wu-tangtiger MU - 8/16 13:52:36
                                                                                          wait NOW you want a coach who can consistently reach the - phrejd MU - 8/16 14:04:05
                                                                                               No, reading shouldn’t be that hard. - wu-tangtiger MU - 8/16 14:08:54
                                                                                                    lol. [rolls eyes again] (nm) - phrejd MU - 8/16 14:10:40
               He was able to negotiate a top three salary for himself but - DHighlander NWMSU - 8/16 10:51:53
                    He has been successful - wu-tangtiger MU - 8/16 10:57:04
                         He is 10 games under .500 in SEC play, and virtually certain - FIJItiger MU - 8/16 11:19:12
                         go ahead and list them off for us (nm) - phrejd MU - 8/16 11:08:41
     Taking away Wu's angle. He's got more B.S. in his bag. - Sigma MU - 8/16 09:52:10
     RE: A look at MU’s support staff - Bobber MU - 8/16 09:44:55
          i'd be willing to bet she's already getting asked what she's - phrejd MU - 8/16 10:13:54
          In my opinion, we may be striving for average but - FIJItiger MU - 8/16 10:13:33
     "But he needs more money!!!!!1111" - wutang (nm) - Maty Football KC - 8/16 09:25:37
          Did your inside source tell you that's what is needed? (nm) - Cosmo MU - 8/16 11:47:17
          "no, no, his assistants need more money!!!" -also wutang (nm) - phrejd MU - 8/16 09:58:38
               "i mean they're fine he just needs more assistants" - wutang - phrejd MU - 8/16 09:59:50
                    "err i mean he needs to hire an analytics company" - wutang(nm) - phrejd MU - 8/16 10:00:36
                         "wait, no, i mean budget cuts makes recruiting hard" -wutang - phrejd MU - 8/16 10:01:51
                              "no, covid! covid made recruiting impossible!" still wutang(nm) - phrejd MU - 8/16 10:02:37
                                   "plus kim anderson, amarite? i mean that guy!" -wutang (nm) - phrejd MU - 8/16 10:03:27
                                        "and with 30 yrs of kim anderson, i mean come on!" -wutang(nm) - phrejd MU - 8/16 10:04:16
                                             "if only we paid more. what do you expect?" -again wutang (nm) - phrejd MU - 8/16 10:05:04
                                                  "i mean look at fan support! where are the fans?" - wutang (nm) - phrejd MU - 8/16 10:10:01
                                                       "how can a losing coach expect to build fan support?"-wutang - phrejd MU - 8/16 10:11:44
     This is my point exactly. Has CM ever been denied... - Lerxst MU - 8/16 09:04:28
          well he hired one guy form UMKC, one from Oakland, - phrejd MU - 8/16 10:34:32
     Sounds more like CM has a good ole boy squad instead - MU-TULSA MU - 8/16 09:01:57
          Why does TB always assume spending - wu-tangtiger MU - 8/16 09:40:03
               Given more money, Martin would not make any changes to - alwaysright MU - 8/16 10:11:59
                    How dumb do you have to be to believe that (nm) - wu-tangtiger MU - 8/16 10:13:36
                         Would be nice to be able to run an experiment and see - MU-TULSA MU - 8/16 11:19:45
                              That’s also dumb. - wu-tangtiger MU - 8/16 11:43:59
                                   So you're saying Kim English started at a higher salary than - MU-TULSA MU - 8/16 13:52:46
                                        English at Tennessee made more than any Mizzou assistant - wu-tangtiger MU - 8/16 13:55:42
                                             funny. the guy does well, gets paid more, and moves up. - phrejd MU - 8/16 14:06:16
                                                  More money and you can hire upgrades (nm) - wu-tangtiger MU - 8/16 14:09:42
                                                       you should tell cuonzo that. apparently he doesn't agree (nm) - phrejd MU - 8/16 14:13:04
                         Don’t have to believe it. It’s already been demonstrated - alwaysright MU - 8/16 10:58:28
                         RE: How dumb do you have to be to believe that (nm) - FIJItiger MU - 8/16 10:33:01
                              ^^there you go^^. Hired his best friend instead of the best(nm) - Lerxst MU - 8/16 11:29:29
                         what leads you to think differently? (nm) - phrejd MU - 8/16 10:29:17
                              He didn’t bring any of his assistants from Cal - wu-tangtiger MU - 8/16 10:47:18
                                   His main assistant at Cal remained there to become head - FIJItiger MU - 8/16 11:22:59
                                   you sure about that? - phrejd MU - 8/16 11:00:47
                                        Wasn’t an assistant at Cal or originally at Mizzou (nm) - wu-tangtiger MU - 8/16 11:02:23
                                             lol. ok i see we're playing games now. - phrejd MU - 8/16 11:06:51
                                                  Maybe it’s a combination on not having - wu-tangtiger MU - 8/16 11:37:09
                                                       Obviously this isn't current, from the time of his hire - FIJItiger MU - 8/16 11:41:51
               i think most competent head coaches understand how to build - phrejd MU - 8/16 09:51:47
               First of all can you tell us for sure that Cuonzo would like - sprintcar STL - 8/16 09:48:54
                    Can you prove he hasn’t - wu-tangtiger MU - 8/16 09:55:44
                         Lol. How would I prove that? You're the one with all the - sprintcar STL - 8/16 10:07:58
                              We will find out with DRF in charge - wu-tangtiger MU - 8/16 10:15:19
                                   who has cuonzo tried to hire? (nm) - phrejd MU - 8/16 10:21:46
                                        Who has he had the money to hire? - wu-tangtiger MU - 8/16 10:49:37
                                             he hired his entire staff. what are you talking about? - phrejd MU - 8/16 11:02:09
                              you won't get anywhere here. good try though. (nm) - phrejd MU - 8/16 10:09:05
                                   Oh he'll have something. He may have overtaken Fiji in that - sprintcar STL - 8/16 10:15:08
                                        difference is he'll make it up. at least fiji shows his work - phrejd MU - 8/16 10:20:56
                         or you'd find they have a HC who understand how to build a - phrejd MU - 8/16 09:57:33
                              I am sure that’s you (nm) - wu-tangtiger MU - 8/16 10:06:04
                                   i think it's pretty much any qualified HC candidate. - phrejd MU - 8/16 10:07:57
                                        Mizzou has a quality coach - wu-tangtiger MU - 8/16 10:12:28
                                             no, TB simply expects him to build a coaching staff, - phrejd MU - 8/16 10:17:35
                    Exactly. We're not spending a lot because the existing... - Lerxst MU - 8/16 09:51:20
                         Cuonzo’s pay is fine - wu-tangtiger MU - 8/16 09:57:11
                              that's not true (nm) - phrejd MU - 8/16 09:58:02
                                   Who replaced Porter? (nm) - wu-tangtiger MU - 8/16 10:05:30
                                        phantom "budget cuts" have not kept martin from hiring - phrejd MU - 8/16 10:06:56
                                             Mizzou cut its AD budget by 18 million - wu-tangtiger MU - 8/16 10:13:04
                                                  how many basketball coaches were lost? - phrejd MU - 8/16 10:18:57
                                                       Didn’t replace Porter - wu-tangtiger MU - 8/16 10:44:52
                                                            yes he did. he replaced him with the same guy he dragged - phrejd MU - 8/16 11:03:15
                                                                 No that guy was already on staff - wu-tangtiger MU - 8/16 11:47:45
                                                                      lol. ok (nm) - phrejd MU - 8/16 11:59:43
     I look forward to the circular arguments that follow this. - phrejd MU - 8/16 08:56:42
          I cant wait to read the phrivals article about it(nm) - NWMizzouFan NWMSU - 8/16 09:01:25
               Platinum members already have (nm) - phrejd MU - 8/16 09:04:27




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