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Posted on: July 23, 2016 at 18:08:51 CT
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cameras right out of your hands, ripping the film out & tossing the camera to the ground, if they thought you were taking it of them or, at least, using that as an excuse.

Their "Coke"'tasted like brown, dirt water.

Did get some cool stuff (Flags, etc) at a department store & saw a number cool, history specific things that most will never be able to see again.

Am very happy to have had it as an experience!

Will also never forget the seeming gloom that was palpable in the air & really the colors & "vision" of everything on that side that perceptively changed as you crossed back into West Berlin or even into other areas of East Germany heading back to West Germany at the time. Sure it was psychological but it still existed from my experience.

I was at a few Concentration Camps, as well & the pictures on the walls of the atrocities (experiments, etc) & the still remaining smell of human flesh in & around the ovens assure that I'll never doubt for a second the depths that humans can go to in their treatment of others!!!!!!!!

I'm also aware some of the measures you reference the guards took to prevent East Germans from leaving. Some of those are documented in the Wall Museum just outside Checkpoint Charlie in West Berlin.

We are in an ever decreasing somewhat small group of people to experience that - outside actual living former East Germans, of course!
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I'm voting Trump, he's not perfect but like his positions.. - Savage KC - 7/23 15:42:49
     You like Big Govt Republicans? Interesting(nm) - raskolnikov MU - 7/23 19:22:57
     Big military/police state; big government; big welfare. - Evenflow MU - 7/23 17:07:02
          And that's different from Hillary how?(nm) - Beak Breaker KC - 7/23 17:14:08
               damn (nm) - TigerJackSwartz MU - 7/23 17:51:01
               Well, that's sort of the point. - Evenflow MU - 7/23 17:15:44
                    RE: Well, that's sort of the point. - Savage KC - 7/23 17:42:40
                    So you are voting for HRC for the same reasons you - Beak Breaker KC - 7/23 17:18:40
                         George Carlin had the best explanation of why not to vote - Diamond Dave MU - 7/23 17:26:14
                         good grief (nm) - pickle MU - 7/23 17:21:53
                         I don't like Johnson either. - Evenflow MU - 7/23 17:19:56
                              I like the idea of Johnson, simply to get a legitimate - TigerJackSwartz MU - 7/23 17:23:31
                                   Johnson isn't a legitimate third party - Sal KC - 7/23 17:28:15
                                        Libertarians could be a legit 3rd party though (nm) - TigerJackSwartz MU - 7/23 17:28:52
                                             But small government politicians don't get very far - Beak Breaker KC - 7/23 17:33:19
                                                  very possible. But I'd like to give a third party a try - TigerJackSwartz MU - 7/23 17:34:41
     How are the Mexicans going to pay for the wall? (nm) - TigerJackSwartz MU - 7/23 16:10:25
          Tax on their remittances. Brings in more $ than oil. - RHAYWORTH MU - 7/23 17:11:11
               RHAY loves taxation - pickle MU - 7/23 17:22:29
                    I do, especially taxing no govt gherkins. - RHAYWORTH MU - 7/23 17:58:35
                         I know you do - pickle MU - 7/23 18:51:53
               That's not Trump's proposal, though. He wants a one - TigerJackSwartz MU - 7/23 17:13:18
                    I've never read anything about a one time payment - Sal KC - 7/23 17:20:24
                         you didn't read your own link then, Mr. Sal - TigerJackSwartz MU - 7/23 17:22:28
                              I read that as a payment option - Sal KC - 7/23 17:25:00
                                   Sal, I like you, but that's absurd. - TigerJackSwartz MU - 7/23 17:29:42
                                        So you think it's either pay us one lump sum now - Sal KC - 7/23 17:31:25
                                             Sal, I'm just reading Trump's own proposal and taking him - TigerJackSwartz MU - 7/23 17:33:57
                                             what? - pickle MU - 7/23 17:32:43
          did you read his link? it details it. now whether his - blake1771 KC - 7/23 16:32:39
               No, and he refuses to go read about it - Sal KC - 7/23 16:45:11
                    no, I eventually did, since you wouldn't tell me. But I - TigerJackSwartz MU - 7/23 16:46:24
                         Did you see how long that was? - Sal KC - 7/23 16:47:28
                              It's what I'm asking now. Aren't you the least bit curious - TigerJackSwartz MU - 7/23 16:49:29
               No, I didn't read the link (nm) - TigerJackSwartz MU - 7/23 16:33:54
                    well i would suggest you look at it. he spells out his - blake1771 KC - 7/23 16:37:39
                         I looked at it. I don't see where it says how much it will - TigerJackSwartz MU - 7/23 16:39:03
               how is he going to make Mexico pay for it? (nm) - pickle MU - 7/23 16:33:11
                    RE: how is he going to make Mexico pay for it? (nm) - MUTGR MU - 7/23 16:38:44
                         What if Conress won't approve a rule change? - MLR USA - 7/23 16:47:38
                         "compelling financial institutions to deman id documents" - pickle MU - 7/23 16:44:31
                              If you have to still ask this question, you a something so - STL1DFW STL - 7/23 17:55:29
                              that is your idea of fascism? - Butcher of Bakersfield STL - 7/23 16:48:14
                                   you're an idiot (nm) - pickle MU - 7/23 17:06:32
          threatening a repeal of NAFTA would motivate - Spanky KU - 7/23 16:25:25
               how much will it cost? And what will it be made of, look - TigerJackSwartz MU - 7/23 16:27:16
                    Mexico would pay for it if we threatened to repeal NAFTA - Spanky KU - 7/23 17:02:59
                         wait, now Mexico is not only going to pay for it, but now - TigerJackSwartz MU - 7/23 17:17:07
                              Properly incentivized, Mexico would eliminate the flow of - Spanky KU - 7/23 17:24:24
                                   OK, if we can incentivize Mexico to stop immigrant flow - TigerJackSwartz MU - 7/23 17:38:09
                                        A wall is needed.... Physical or virtual, it matters not - Spanky KU - 7/24 13:44:50
                    the cost of the wall and what it will look like are - blake1771 KC - 7/23 16:39:37
                         agreed. But what's the answer to those questions? (nm) - TigerJackSwartz MU - 7/23 16:43:33
                              try google - Spanky KU - 7/23 17:05:32
                                   and that Google search indicates that the math doesnt work - TigerJackSwartz MU - 7/23 17:16:01
                                        No it doesn't. - Spanky KU - 7/23 17:24:58
                                             make the math work then. I'm a Missourian. Show me (nm) - TigerJackSwartz MU - 7/23 17:30:27
                                                  The annual taxpayer cost of illegals is $115B per year - Spanky KU - 7/23 17:32:22
                                                       that's a non-answer. Show me how the wall math works (nm) - TigerJackSwartz MU - 7/23 17:36:55
                                                            What is the cost to build? - Spanky KU - 7/23 17:51:04
                                                                 But that's not Trump's estimate. How do you reconcile - TigerJackSwartz MU - 7/23 17:52:24
                                                                      it is less than 20% of the annual cost of illegals - Spanky KU - 7/23 18:40:45
                    Titanium & Kevlar. Also going to have Legal Mexican Eses - STL1DFW STL - 7/23 16:34:54
                         I looked at Trump's link, and it didn't say anything like - TigerJackSwartz MU - 7/23 16:36:34
                              Jeez! {Face Palm}!!(nm) - STL1DFW STL - 7/23 16:40:29
          they aren't (nm) - pickle MU - 7/23 16:22:57
          Have you not read about it? - Sal KC - 7/23 16:10:57
               no, how is he going to make Mexico pay for it? (nm) - TigerJackSwartz MU - 7/23 16:24:21
                    google is your friend - Sal KC - 7/23 16:44:17
                         what will it be made of? How high will it be? How deep - TigerJackSwartz MU - 7/23 16:44:56
                              So now you're worried about the makeup of the wall? - Sal KC - 7/23 16:45:53
                                   I wonder all about the wall, how to pay for it and - TigerJackSwartz MU - 7/23 16:47:52
     Serious questions - Mo Texan MU - 7/23 15:53:11
          There is not a contiguous wall along the entire Texas - STL1DFW STL - 7/23 16:29:20
               The Berlin wall was effective because there were soldiers - JG A - 7/23 16:40:51
                    Exactly, I went through it more than once. Yes, before the - STL1DFW STL - 7/23 16:49:25
                         "there were some increibly creative ways it was achieved" - MLR USA - 7/23 16:55:05
                              What?? I was talking about the ingenuity involved in the - STL1DFW STL - 7/23 17:26:52
                                   You're correct, I misread it(nm) - MLR USA - 7/23 17:33:40
                                        Oh, ok. That's what I assumed. No biggie.(nm) - STL1DFW STL - 7/23 17:40:38
                                             I was in East Berlin in the early to mid 80s - MLR USA - 7/23 17:51:15
                                                  Oh, no doubt. They were jackasses to some of us - taking - STL1DFW STL - 7/23 18:08:51
                    and booby traps(nm) - MLR USA - 7/23 16:41:30
               who owns the land at the border?(nm) - MLR USA - 7/23 16:39:51
               how much will it cost? And what will it be made of, look - TigerJackSwartz MU - 7/23 16:33:29
                    Cost = as much as we make Mexico pay for it(nm) - STL1DFW STL - 7/23 16:41:35
                         what will it look like, be made of? How deep? (nm) - TigerJackSwartz MU - 7/23 16:44:19
               You're quoting from a wiki article during the building - Mo Texan MU - 7/23 16:33:24
                    I'm not quoting crap. I'm frequently on the border. There is - STL1DFW STL - 7/23 16:39:05
                         You don't think there's a fence south of McAllen? - Mo Texan MU - 7/23 16:45:46
                              There is one at Matamoros, but it is not contiguous to - STL1DFW STL - 7/23 16:50:29
                                   You lost, because other than when the gates are open - Mo Texan MU - 7/23 17:00:29
                                        Of course, but I was referring to the main port of entry - STL1DFW STL - 7/23 17:39:57
          A wall will only stop illegals if its properly - JG A - 7/23 16:08:35
               You are ignorant on this topic, George...just stop - Spanky KU - 7/23 16:28:56
                    What will the barrier cost? What will it look like? (nm) - TigerJackSwartz MU - 7/23 16:37:11
                    Speaking of ignorance spilling all over the place - JG A - 7/23 16:35:28
                         in what universe does having a wall tie up - Spanky KU - 7/23 17:07:10
                              when the area without a wall isn't policed (nm) - TigerJackSwartz MU - 7/23 17:53:36
                    control (nm) - pickle MU - 7/23 16:32:30
               What if it is 700 feet tall and is made of solid ice. - TigerJackSwartz MU - 7/23 16:11:53
                    its only a matter a time before the brothers get too weak - JG A - 7/23 16:12:58
               I think it can be argued that a wall would stop more - Sal KC - 7/23 16:10:31
                    Even if it was a perfect wall, the majority don't cross - Mo Texan MU - 7/23 16:26:07
                         I agree with former Gov. Perry on that aspect. Should - STL1DFW STL - 7/23 17:43:35
                         It would present some problems, even with wildlife.(nm) - GA Tiger MU - 7/23 16:27:53
                              especially with wildlife(nm) - JG A - 7/23 16:39:27
                                   Wildlife will adapt to it more faster & more efficiently - STL1DFW STL - 7/23 17:46:18
                    Not unless its manned properly - JG A - 7/23 16:11:45
                         The wall would require less man power than no wall - Sal KC - 7/23 16:14:04
                              describe this wall. How high? What materials? How deep?(nm) - TigerJackSwartz MU - 7/23 16:24:57
                                   How about 3 stacked rolls of razor wire, with - GA Tiger MU - 7/23 16:26:26
                                        "on each side" - pickle MU - 7/23 16:31:58
                                             Thats if they're lucky enough to miss the first line.(nm) - GA Tiger MU - 7/23 16:59:20
                                        what about an electric dog fence - TigerJackSwartz MU - 7/23 16:28:08
                              no I don't think so - JG A - 7/23 16:20:08




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