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I was in East Berlin in the early to mid 80s

Posted on: July 23, 2016 at 17:51:15 CT
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Most of the nasty stuff the East German soldiers did to keep people on their side of the wall was done by that time, but the stories and evidence remained. I mistook your "creativity" comment to refer to those methods. It is pretty shameful how some humans will treat other humans.
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I'm voting Trump, he's not perfect but like his positions.. - Savage KC - 7/23 15:42:49
     You like Big Govt Republicans? Interesting(nm) - raskolnikov MU - 7/23 19:22:57
     Big military/police state; big government; big welfare. - Evenflow MU - 7/23 17:07:02
          And that's different from Hillary how?(nm) - Beak Breaker KC - 7/23 17:14:08
               damn (nm) - TigerJackSwartz MU - 7/23 17:51:01
               Well, that's sort of the point. - Evenflow MU - 7/23 17:15:44
                    RE: Well, that's sort of the point. - Savage KC - 7/23 17:42:40
                    So you are voting for HRC for the same reasons you - Beak Breaker KC - 7/23 17:18:40
                         George Carlin had the best explanation of why not to vote - Diamond Dave MU - 7/23 17:26:14
                         good grief (nm) - pickle MU - 7/23 17:21:53
                         I don't like Johnson either. - Evenflow MU - 7/23 17:19:56
                              I like the idea of Johnson, simply to get a legitimate - TigerJackSwartz MU - 7/23 17:23:31
                                   Johnson isn't a legitimate third party - Sal KC - 7/23 17:28:15
                                        Libertarians could be a legit 3rd party though (nm) - TigerJackSwartz MU - 7/23 17:28:52
                                             But small government politicians don't get very far - Beak Breaker KC - 7/23 17:33:19
                                                  very possible. But I'd like to give a third party a try - TigerJackSwartz MU - 7/23 17:34:41
     How are the Mexicans going to pay for the wall? (nm) - TigerJackSwartz MU - 7/23 16:10:25
          Tax on their remittances. Brings in more $ than oil. - RHAYWORTH MU - 7/23 17:11:11
               RHAY loves taxation - pickle MU - 7/23 17:22:29
                    I do, especially taxing no govt gherkins. - RHAYWORTH MU - 7/23 17:58:35
                         I know you do - pickle MU - 7/23 18:51:53
               That's not Trump's proposal, though. He wants a one - TigerJackSwartz MU - 7/23 17:13:18
                    I've never read anything about a one time payment - Sal KC - 7/23 17:20:24
                         you didn't read your own link then, Mr. Sal - TigerJackSwartz MU - 7/23 17:22:28
                              I read that as a payment option - Sal KC - 7/23 17:25:00
                                   Sal, I like you, but that's absurd. - TigerJackSwartz MU - 7/23 17:29:42
                                        So you think it's either pay us one lump sum now - Sal KC - 7/23 17:31:25
                                             Sal, I'm just reading Trump's own proposal and taking him - TigerJackSwartz MU - 7/23 17:33:57
                                             what? - pickle MU - 7/23 17:32:43
          did you read his link? it details it. now whether his - blake1771 KC - 7/23 16:32:39
               No, and he refuses to go read about it - Sal KC - 7/23 16:45:11
                    no, I eventually did, since you wouldn't tell me. But I - TigerJackSwartz MU - 7/23 16:46:24
                         Did you see how long that was? - Sal KC - 7/23 16:47:28
                              It's what I'm asking now. Aren't you the least bit curious - TigerJackSwartz MU - 7/23 16:49:29
               No, I didn't read the link (nm) - TigerJackSwartz MU - 7/23 16:33:54
                    well i would suggest you look at it. he spells out his - blake1771 KC - 7/23 16:37:39
                         I looked at it. I don't see where it says how much it will - TigerJackSwartz MU - 7/23 16:39:03
               how is he going to make Mexico pay for it? (nm) - pickle MU - 7/23 16:33:11
                    RE: how is he going to make Mexico pay for it? (nm) - MUTGR MU - 7/23 16:38:44
                         What if Conress won't approve a rule change? - MLR USA - 7/23 16:47:38
                         "compelling financial institutions to deman id documents" - pickle MU - 7/23 16:44:31
                              If you have to still ask this question, you a something so - STL1DFW STL - 7/23 17:55:29
                              that is your idea of fascism? - Butcher of Bakersfield STL - 7/23 16:48:14
                                   you're an idiot (nm) - pickle MU - 7/23 17:06:32
          threatening a repeal of NAFTA would motivate - Spanky KU - 7/23 16:25:25
               how much will it cost? And what will it be made of, look - TigerJackSwartz MU - 7/23 16:27:16
                    Mexico would pay for it if we threatened to repeal NAFTA - Spanky KU - 7/23 17:02:59
                         wait, now Mexico is not only going to pay for it, but now - TigerJackSwartz MU - 7/23 17:17:07
                              Properly incentivized, Mexico would eliminate the flow of - Spanky KU - 7/23 17:24:24
                                   OK, if we can incentivize Mexico to stop immigrant flow - TigerJackSwartz MU - 7/23 17:38:09
                                        A wall is needed.... Physical or virtual, it matters not - Spanky KU - 7/24 13:44:50
                    the cost of the wall and what it will look like are - blake1771 KC - 7/23 16:39:37
                         agreed. But what's the answer to those questions? (nm) - TigerJackSwartz MU - 7/23 16:43:33
                              try google - Spanky KU - 7/23 17:05:32
                                   and that Google search indicates that the math doesnt work - TigerJackSwartz MU - 7/23 17:16:01
                                        No it doesn't. - Spanky KU - 7/23 17:24:58
                                             make the math work then. I'm a Missourian. Show me (nm) - TigerJackSwartz MU - 7/23 17:30:27
                                                  The annual taxpayer cost of illegals is $115B per year - Spanky KU - 7/23 17:32:22
                                                       that's a non-answer. Show me how the wall math works (nm) - TigerJackSwartz MU - 7/23 17:36:55
                                                            What is the cost to build? - Spanky KU - 7/23 17:51:04
                                                                 But that's not Trump's estimate. How do you reconcile - TigerJackSwartz MU - 7/23 17:52:24
                                                                      it is less than 20% of the annual cost of illegals - Spanky KU - 7/23 18:40:45
                    Titanium & Kevlar. Also going to have Legal Mexican Eses - STL1DFW STL - 7/23 16:34:54
                         I looked at Trump's link, and it didn't say anything like - TigerJackSwartz MU - 7/23 16:36:34
                              Jeez! {Face Palm}!!(nm) - STL1DFW STL - 7/23 16:40:29
          they aren't (nm) - pickle MU - 7/23 16:22:57
          Have you not read about it? - Sal KC - 7/23 16:10:57
               no, how is he going to make Mexico pay for it? (nm) - TigerJackSwartz MU - 7/23 16:24:21
                    google is your friend - Sal KC - 7/23 16:44:17
                         what will it be made of? How high will it be? How deep - TigerJackSwartz MU - 7/23 16:44:56
                              So now you're worried about the makeup of the wall? - Sal KC - 7/23 16:45:53
                                   I wonder all about the wall, how to pay for it and - TigerJackSwartz MU - 7/23 16:47:52
     Serious questions - Mo Texan MU - 7/23 15:53:11
          There is not a contiguous wall along the entire Texas - STL1DFW STL - 7/23 16:29:20
               The Berlin wall was effective because there were soldiers - JG A - 7/23 16:40:51
                    Exactly, I went through it more than once. Yes, before the - STL1DFW STL - 7/23 16:49:25
                         "there were some increibly creative ways it was achieved" - MLR USA - 7/23 16:55:05
                              What?? I was talking about the ingenuity involved in the - STL1DFW STL - 7/23 17:26:52
                                   You're correct, I misread it(nm) - MLR USA - 7/23 17:33:40
                                        Oh, ok. That's what I assumed. No biggie.(nm) - STL1DFW STL - 7/23 17:40:38
                                             I was in East Berlin in the early to mid 80s - MLR USA - 7/23 17:51:15
                                                  Oh, no doubt. They were jackasses to some of us - taking - STL1DFW STL - 7/23 18:08:51
                    and booby traps(nm) - MLR USA - 7/23 16:41:30
               who owns the land at the border?(nm) - MLR USA - 7/23 16:39:51
               how much will it cost? And what will it be made of, look - TigerJackSwartz MU - 7/23 16:33:29
                    Cost = as much as we make Mexico pay for it(nm) - STL1DFW STL - 7/23 16:41:35
                         what will it look like, be made of? How deep? (nm) - TigerJackSwartz MU - 7/23 16:44:19
               You're quoting from a wiki article during the building - Mo Texan MU - 7/23 16:33:24
                    I'm not quoting crap. I'm frequently on the border. There is - STL1DFW STL - 7/23 16:39:05
                         You don't think there's a fence south of McAllen? - Mo Texan MU - 7/23 16:45:46
                              There is one at Matamoros, but it is not contiguous to - STL1DFW STL - 7/23 16:50:29
                                   You lost, because other than when the gates are open - Mo Texan MU - 7/23 17:00:29
                                        Of course, but I was referring to the main port of entry - STL1DFW STL - 7/23 17:39:57
          A wall will only stop illegals if its properly - JG A - 7/23 16:08:35
               You are ignorant on this topic, George...just stop - Spanky KU - 7/23 16:28:56
                    What will the barrier cost? What will it look like? (nm) - TigerJackSwartz MU - 7/23 16:37:11
                    Speaking of ignorance spilling all over the place - JG A - 7/23 16:35:28
                         in what universe does having a wall tie up - Spanky KU - 7/23 17:07:10
                              when the area without a wall isn't policed (nm) - TigerJackSwartz MU - 7/23 17:53:36
                    control (nm) - pickle MU - 7/23 16:32:30
               What if it is 700 feet tall and is made of solid ice. - TigerJackSwartz MU - 7/23 16:11:53
                    its only a matter a time before the brothers get too weak - JG A - 7/23 16:12:58
               I think it can be argued that a wall would stop more - Sal KC - 7/23 16:10:31
                    Even if it was a perfect wall, the majority don't cross - Mo Texan MU - 7/23 16:26:07
                         I agree with former Gov. Perry on that aspect. Should - STL1DFW STL - 7/23 17:43:35
                         It would present some problems, even with wildlife.(nm) - GA Tiger MU - 7/23 16:27:53
                              especially with wildlife(nm) - JG A - 7/23 16:39:27
                                   Wildlife will adapt to it more faster & more efficiently - STL1DFW STL - 7/23 17:46:18
                    Not unless its manned properly - JG A - 7/23 16:11:45
                         The wall would require less man power than no wall - Sal KC - 7/23 16:14:04
                              describe this wall. How high? What materials? How deep?(nm) - TigerJackSwartz MU - 7/23 16:24:57
                                   How about 3 stacked rolls of razor wire, with - GA Tiger MU - 7/23 16:26:26
                                        "on each side" - pickle MU - 7/23 16:31:58
                                             Thats if they're lucky enough to miss the first line.(nm) - GA Tiger MU - 7/23 16:59:20
                                        what about an electric dog fence - TigerJackSwartz MU - 7/23 16:28:08
                              no I don't think so - JG A - 7/23 16:20:08




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