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RE: how is he going to make Mexico pay for it? (nm)

Posted on: July 23, 2016 at 16:38:44 CT
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COMPELLING MEXICO TO PAY FOR THE WALL

Introduction: The provision of the Patriot Act, Section 326 - the "know your customer" provision, compelling financial institutions to demand identity documents before opening accounts or conducting financial transactions is a fundamental element of the outline below. That section authorized the executive branch to issue detailed regulations on the subject, found at 31 CFR 130.120-121. It's an easy decision for Mexico: make a one-time payment of $5-10 billion to ensure that $24 billion continues to flow into their country year after year. There are several ways to compel Mexico to pay for the wall including the following:

On day 1 promulgate a "proposed rule" (regulation) amending 31 CFR 130.121 to redefine applicable financial institutions to include money transfer companies like Western Union, and redefine "account" to include wire transfers. Also include in the proposed rule a requirement that no alien may wire money outside of the United States unless the alien first provides a document establishing his lawful presence in the United States.
On day 2 Mexico will immediately protest. They receive approximately $24 billion a year in remittances from Mexican nationals working in the United States. The majority of that amount comes from illegal aliens. It serves as de facto welfare for poor families in Mexico. There is no significant social safety net provided by the state in Mexico.
On day 3 tell Mexico that if the Mexican government will contribute the funds needed to the United States to pay for the wall, the Trump Administration will not promulgate the final rule, and the regulation will not go into effect.
Trade tariffs, or enforcement of existing trade rules: There is no doubt that Mexico is engaging in unfair subsidy behavior that has eliminated thousands of U.S. jobs, and which we are obligated to respond to; the impact of any tariffs on the price imports will be more than offset by the economic and income gains of increased production in the United States, in addition to revenue from any tariffs themselves. Mexico needs access to our markets much more than the reverse, so we have all the leverage and will win the negotiation. By definition, if you have a large trade deficit with a nation, it means they are selling far more to you than the reverse - thus they, not you, stand to lose from enforcing trade rules through tariffs (as has been done to save many U.S. industries in the past).
Cancelling visas: Immigration is a privilege, not a right. Mexico is totally dependent on the United States as a release valve for its own poverty - our approvals of hundreds of thousands of visas to their nationals every year is one of our greatest leverage points. We also have leverage through business and tourist visas for important people in the Mexican economy. Keep in mind, the United States has already taken in 4X more migrants than any other country on planet earth, producing lower wages and higher unemployment for our own citizens and recent migrants.
Visa fees: Even a small increase in visa fees would pay for the wall. This includes fees on border crossing cards, of which more than 1 million are issued a year. The border-crossing card is also one of the greatest sources of illegal immigration into the United States, via overstays. Mexico is also the single largest recipient of U.S. green cards, which confer a path to U.S. citizenship. Again, we have the leverage so Mexico will back down.
Conclusion: Mexico has taken advantage of us in another way as well: gangs, drug traffickers and cartels have freely exploited our open borders and committed vast numbers of crimes inside the United States. The United States has borne the extraordinary daily cost of this criminal activity, including the cost of trials and incarcerations. Not to mention the even greater human cost. We have the moral high ground here, and all the leverage. It is time we use it in order to Make America Great Again.
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     You like Big Govt Republicans? Interesting(nm) - raskolnikov MU - 7/23 19:22:57
     Big military/police state; big government; big welfare. - Evenflow MU - 7/23 17:07:02
          And that's different from Hillary how?(nm) - Beak Breaker KC - 7/23 17:14:08
               damn (nm) - TigerJackSwartz MU - 7/23 17:51:01
               Well, that's sort of the point. - Evenflow MU - 7/23 17:15:44
                    RE: Well, that's sort of the point. - Savage KC - 7/23 17:42:40
                    So you are voting for HRC for the same reasons you - Beak Breaker KC - 7/23 17:18:40
                         George Carlin had the best explanation of why not to vote - Diamond Dave MU - 7/23 17:26:14
                         good grief (nm) - pickle MU - 7/23 17:21:53
                         I don't like Johnson either. - Evenflow MU - 7/23 17:19:56
                              I like the idea of Johnson, simply to get a legitimate - TigerJackSwartz MU - 7/23 17:23:31
                                   Johnson isn't a legitimate third party - Sal KC - 7/23 17:28:15
                                        Libertarians could be a legit 3rd party though (nm) - TigerJackSwartz MU - 7/23 17:28:52
                                             But small government politicians don't get very far - Beak Breaker KC - 7/23 17:33:19
                                                  very possible. But I'd like to give a third party a try - TigerJackSwartz MU - 7/23 17:34:41
     How are the Mexicans going to pay for the wall? (nm) - TigerJackSwartz MU - 7/23 16:10:25
          Tax on their remittances. Brings in more $ than oil. - RHAYWORTH MU - 7/23 17:11:11
               RHAY loves taxation - pickle MU - 7/23 17:22:29
                    I do, especially taxing no govt gherkins. - RHAYWORTH MU - 7/23 17:58:35
                         I know you do - pickle MU - 7/23 18:51:53
               That's not Trump's proposal, though. He wants a one - TigerJackSwartz MU - 7/23 17:13:18
                    I've never read anything about a one time payment - Sal KC - 7/23 17:20:24
                         you didn't read your own link then, Mr. Sal - TigerJackSwartz MU - 7/23 17:22:28
                              I read that as a payment option - Sal KC - 7/23 17:25:00
                                   Sal, I like you, but that's absurd. - TigerJackSwartz MU - 7/23 17:29:42
                                        So you think it's either pay us one lump sum now - Sal KC - 7/23 17:31:25
                                             Sal, I'm just reading Trump's own proposal and taking him - TigerJackSwartz MU - 7/23 17:33:57
                                             what? - pickle MU - 7/23 17:32:43
          did you read his link? it details it. now whether his - blake1771 KC - 7/23 16:32:39
               No, and he refuses to go read about it - Sal KC - 7/23 16:45:11
                    no, I eventually did, since you wouldn't tell me. But I - TigerJackSwartz MU - 7/23 16:46:24
                         Did you see how long that was? - Sal KC - 7/23 16:47:28
                              It's what I'm asking now. Aren't you the least bit curious - TigerJackSwartz MU - 7/23 16:49:29
               No, I didn't read the link (nm) - TigerJackSwartz MU - 7/23 16:33:54
                    well i would suggest you look at it. he spells out his - blake1771 KC - 7/23 16:37:39
                         I looked at it. I don't see where it says how much it will - TigerJackSwartz MU - 7/23 16:39:03
               how is he going to make Mexico pay for it? (nm) - pickle MU - 7/23 16:33:11
                    RE: how is he going to make Mexico pay for it? (nm) - MUTGR MU - 7/23 16:38:44
                         What if Conress won't approve a rule change? - MLR USA - 7/23 16:47:38
                         "compelling financial institutions to deman id documents" - pickle MU - 7/23 16:44:31
                              If you have to still ask this question, you a something so - STL1DFW STL - 7/23 17:55:29
                              that is your idea of fascism? - Butcher of Bakersfield STL - 7/23 16:48:14
                                   you're an idiot (nm) - pickle MU - 7/23 17:06:32
          threatening a repeal of NAFTA would motivate - Spanky KU - 7/23 16:25:25
               how much will it cost? And what will it be made of, look - TigerJackSwartz MU - 7/23 16:27:16
                    Mexico would pay for it if we threatened to repeal NAFTA - Spanky KU - 7/23 17:02:59
                         wait, now Mexico is not only going to pay for it, but now - TigerJackSwartz MU - 7/23 17:17:07
                              Properly incentivized, Mexico would eliminate the flow of - Spanky KU - 7/23 17:24:24
                                   OK, if we can incentivize Mexico to stop immigrant flow - TigerJackSwartz MU - 7/23 17:38:09
                                        A wall is needed.... Physical or virtual, it matters not - Spanky KU - 7/24 13:44:50
                    the cost of the wall and what it will look like are - blake1771 KC - 7/23 16:39:37
                         agreed. But what's the answer to those questions? (nm) - TigerJackSwartz MU - 7/23 16:43:33
                              try google - Spanky KU - 7/23 17:05:32
                                   and that Google search indicates that the math doesnt work - TigerJackSwartz MU - 7/23 17:16:01
                                        No it doesn't. - Spanky KU - 7/23 17:24:58
                                             make the math work then. I'm a Missourian. Show me (nm) - TigerJackSwartz MU - 7/23 17:30:27
                                                  The annual taxpayer cost of illegals is $115B per year - Spanky KU - 7/23 17:32:22
                                                       that's a non-answer. Show me how the wall math works (nm) - TigerJackSwartz MU - 7/23 17:36:55
                                                            What is the cost to build? - Spanky KU - 7/23 17:51:04
                                                                 But that's not Trump's estimate. How do you reconcile - TigerJackSwartz MU - 7/23 17:52:24
                                                                      it is less than 20% of the annual cost of illegals - Spanky KU - 7/23 18:40:45
                    Titanium & Kevlar. Also going to have Legal Mexican Eses - STL1DFW STL - 7/23 16:34:54
                         I looked at Trump's link, and it didn't say anything like - TigerJackSwartz MU - 7/23 16:36:34
                              Jeez! {Face Palm}!!(nm) - STL1DFW STL - 7/23 16:40:29
          they aren't (nm) - pickle MU - 7/23 16:22:57
          Have you not read about it? - Sal KC - 7/23 16:10:57
               no, how is he going to make Mexico pay for it? (nm) - TigerJackSwartz MU - 7/23 16:24:21
                    google is your friend - Sal KC - 7/23 16:44:17
                         what will it be made of? How high will it be? How deep - TigerJackSwartz MU - 7/23 16:44:56
                              So now you're worried about the makeup of the wall? - Sal KC - 7/23 16:45:53
                                   I wonder all about the wall, how to pay for it and - TigerJackSwartz MU - 7/23 16:47:52
     Serious questions - Mo Texan MU - 7/23 15:53:11
          There is not a contiguous wall along the entire Texas - STL1DFW STL - 7/23 16:29:20
               The Berlin wall was effective because there were soldiers - JG A - 7/23 16:40:51
                    Exactly, I went through it more than once. Yes, before the - STL1DFW STL - 7/23 16:49:25
                         "there were some increibly creative ways it was achieved" - MLR USA - 7/23 16:55:05
                              What?? I was talking about the ingenuity involved in the - STL1DFW STL - 7/23 17:26:52
                                   You're correct, I misread it(nm) - MLR USA - 7/23 17:33:40
                                        Oh, ok. That's what I assumed. No biggie.(nm) - STL1DFW STL - 7/23 17:40:38
                                             I was in East Berlin in the early to mid 80s - MLR USA - 7/23 17:51:15
                                                  Oh, no doubt. They were jackasses to some of us - taking - STL1DFW STL - 7/23 18:08:51
                    and booby traps(nm) - MLR USA - 7/23 16:41:30
               who owns the land at the border?(nm) - MLR USA - 7/23 16:39:51
               how much will it cost? And what will it be made of, look - TigerJackSwartz MU - 7/23 16:33:29
                    Cost = as much as we make Mexico pay for it(nm) - STL1DFW STL - 7/23 16:41:35
                         what will it look like, be made of? How deep? (nm) - TigerJackSwartz MU - 7/23 16:44:19
               You're quoting from a wiki article during the building - Mo Texan MU - 7/23 16:33:24
                    I'm not quoting crap. I'm frequently on the border. There is - STL1DFW STL - 7/23 16:39:05
                         You don't think there's a fence south of McAllen? - Mo Texan MU - 7/23 16:45:46
                              There is one at Matamoros, but it is not contiguous to - STL1DFW STL - 7/23 16:50:29
                                   You lost, because other than when the gates are open - Mo Texan MU - 7/23 17:00:29
                                        Of course, but I was referring to the main port of entry - STL1DFW STL - 7/23 17:39:57
          A wall will only stop illegals if its properly - JG A - 7/23 16:08:35
               You are ignorant on this topic, George...just stop - Spanky KU - 7/23 16:28:56
                    What will the barrier cost? What will it look like? (nm) - TigerJackSwartz MU - 7/23 16:37:11
                    Speaking of ignorance spilling all over the place - JG A - 7/23 16:35:28
                         in what universe does having a wall tie up - Spanky KU - 7/23 17:07:10
                              when the area without a wall isn't policed (nm) - TigerJackSwartz MU - 7/23 17:53:36
                    control (nm) - pickle MU - 7/23 16:32:30
               What if it is 700 feet tall and is made of solid ice. - TigerJackSwartz MU - 7/23 16:11:53
                    its only a matter a time before the brothers get too weak - JG A - 7/23 16:12:58
               I think it can be argued that a wall would stop more - Sal KC - 7/23 16:10:31
                    Even if it was a perfect wall, the majority don't cross - Mo Texan MU - 7/23 16:26:07
                         I agree with former Gov. Perry on that aspect. Should - STL1DFW STL - 7/23 17:43:35
                         It would present some problems, even with wildlife.(nm) - GA Tiger MU - 7/23 16:27:53
                              especially with wildlife(nm) - JG A - 7/23 16:39:27
                                   Wildlife will adapt to it more faster & more efficiently - STL1DFW STL - 7/23 17:46:18
                    Not unless its manned properly - JG A - 7/23 16:11:45
                         The wall would require less man power than no wall - Sal KC - 7/23 16:14:04
                              describe this wall. How high? What materials? How deep?(nm) - TigerJackSwartz MU - 7/23 16:24:57
                                   How about 3 stacked rolls of razor wire, with - GA Tiger MU - 7/23 16:26:26
                                        "on each side" - pickle MU - 7/23 16:31:58
                                             Thats if they're lucky enough to miss the first line.(nm) - GA Tiger MU - 7/23 16:59:20
                                        what about an electric dog fence - TigerJackSwartz MU - 7/23 16:28:08
                              no I don't think so - JG A - 7/23 16:20:08




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