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He had less than he did when he took over the program and we

Posted on: September 21, 2021 at 13:17:40 CT
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have people on here claim that because of the shape of Kim's program there is no way that CM could be successful before now.

Does that mean we have to wait at least four more years before we can expect a decent program?
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Program building. - DHighlander NWMSU - 9/21 11:14:31
     RE: Program building. - HSCoach STL - 9/21 13:39:22
          you can't be a coach, nobody accepts losing - cal tiger MU - 9/21 17:05:21
          Care to provide a link to prove that? - DHighlander NWMSU - 9/21 14:09:28
          16-10 with 9 SRs and JRs - LamarFrazier MU - 9/21 13:42:37
               If the next set of juniors and seniors is better then yea - wu-tangtiger MU - 9/21 14:01:01
                    No, that set showed that CM can finish in the middle of the - DHighlander NWMSU - 9/21 14:11:39
                         As a starting point or baseline sure. - wu-tangtiger MU - 9/21 14:14:26
                              If you show me nothing in years 1-4 I don't think you - DHighlander NWMSU - 9/21 14:22:24
                                   If you didn’t see anything in years 1-4 - wu-tangtiger MU - 9/21 14:23:34
                                        I saw us pay $12M for a coach who has won 55% of his games - DHighlander NWMSU - 9/21 14:33:25
                    The prior 9 SRs and JRs showed you can win here? - LamarFrazier MU - 9/21 14:07:21
                         That’s a weird way to justify your position - wu-tangtiger MU - 9/21 14:13:06
                              So 16-10 prove CM can win at MU? - LamarFrazier MU - 9/21 14:15:33
                                   That’s usually the goal in the early phases of rebuilds - wu-tangtiger MU - 9/21 14:18:31
                                        Newsflash ! 16-10, 8-8 with a roster full of seniors IS a - DHighlander NWMSU - 9/21 14:24:22
                                        yr 4 with 9 SR/JRs he recruitied isn't "early" - LamarFrazier MU - 9/21 14:21:48
                                             You are caught up in the 9 juniors and seniors - wu-tangtiger MU - 9/21 14:22:44
                                                  a veteran team of CM players goes 16-10 - LamarFrazier MU - 9/21 15:05:07
                                                  As he should be. These were not holdovers from a previous - DHighlander NWMSU - 9/21 14:27:26
     How about telling us what the foundational principle SHOULD - GA Tiger MU - 9/21 13:25:45
          His best team in a rebuild shouldn't be his 1st team - LamarFrazier MU - 9/21 13:41:45
               Probably will be his best team after years 5 and 6 - FIJItiger MU - 9/21 13:45:38
                    So no Bruce Pearl-esque Final Four in Year 5? - LamarFrazier MU - 9/21 14:05:51
          Cheney had his match-up zone, Tubbs had his transition - DHighlander NWMSU - 9/21 13:34:32
     RE: Program building. - HSCoach STL - 9/21 13:24:05
     I'm reserving further judgment until after the upcoming... - zounami MU - 9/21 13:20:24
          So we are not allowed to draw any conclusions from the - DHighlander NWMSU - 9/21 13:27:35
               You certainly can, but as a CM critic myself I've chosen - zounami MU - 9/21 13:40:49
               it is never smart to set a conclusion before something - TigerA MU - 9/21 13:32:34
                    We have four years of evidence to draw a conclusion from. - DHighlander NWMSU - 9/21 13:36:33
                         Agreed, but not much *new* evidence since last season... - zounami MU - 9/21 13:44:12
                         that isn't a conclusion. i hope you teach art, pottery or - TigerA MU - 9/21 13:37:43
     Wow. A scathing review. - ERB KC - 9/21 13:12:37
     You get it. You've helped build houses so you obviously - kmawv8 KC - 9/21 12:11:41
          When you build anything do you ever go back and start - DHighlander NWMSU - 9/21 12:30:52
               They aren’t really starting over. (nm) - wu-tangtiger MU - 9/21 12:32:20
                    Really? One returning starter, one bench player and a - DHighlander NWMSU - 9/21 12:35:23
                         Because starting over means starting with nothing. - glue MU - 9/21 12:53:24
                              He had less than he did when he took over the program and we - DHighlander NWMSU - 9/21 13:17:40
                         We have starters who have started before - Diamond Dave MU - 9/21 12:40:22
                              Every single player in DI started in high school, that is - DHighlander NWMSU - 9/21 12:45:22
                                   Transfers weren't scrubs previously, although DeGray - Diamond Dave MU - 9/21 12:57:56
                                        He has a team full of players who have never played P5 BB - DHighlander NWMSU - 9/21 13:23:03
                                             By that definition, Cal @ Kentucky rebuilds every year. (nm) - glue MU - 9/21 13:27:25
                                                  Except of the fact that I specifically addressed losing - DHighlander NWMSU - 9/21 13:29:51
                                                       we lost three professional players(nm) - TigerA MU - 9/21 13:33:32
                                                            Not one left early. A good coach would have planned for - DHighlander NWMSU - 9/21 13:38:32
                                                                 he was recruiting and was planning for their exit(nm) - TigerA MU - 9/21 13:41:20
                                                                      Bullshlt ! He knew they were leaving well before last March - DHighlander NWMSU - 9/21 14:06:32
                                                                           he was trying. didn't do a very good job potentially - TigerA MU - 9/21 14:12:50
                                                                                I have never claimed that CM did not work, ever. Proof of - DHighlander NWMSU - 9/21 14:18:29
                         one starter and one bench player are by definition - TigerA MU - 9/21 12:38:54
                              Nice talk Rusty. Now go play with the other trolls.(nm) - DHighlander NWMSU - 9/21 12:46:06
                                   God I love the irony here (nm) - Cosmo MU - 9/21 13:01:02
                                   as a former pizza delivery driver i know that you need to - TigerA MU - 9/21 12:47:37
                              From an X&O standpoint I doubt - wu-tangtiger MU - 9/21 12:41:32
          lol yeah it’s such a great analogy isn’t it (nm) - Cosmo MU - 9/21 12:30:29
               Is he building a program or not? What does it mean to build - DHighlander NWMSU - 9/21 12:34:12
     There is no foundation, Cuanzo has spent his career - Ragnar Danneskjold MU - 9/21 11:51:19
          If you're right about this year and next, we'll have a new - GeorgiaTiger76 MU - 9/21 12:00:49
     Foundation = transfers to cover for recruiting & development - Sigma MU - 9/21 11:41:04
     Nope, CM doesn't have any foundational principles - Cosmo MU - 9/21 11:28:41
          so damn dramatic. lol (nm) - LamarFrazier MU - 9/21 13:13:44
          Then please identify one, just one. When he was hired he - DHighlander NWMSU - 9/21 11:33:18
               If you listen to him speak ever - Cosmo MU - 9/21 11:40:06
                    Don't feed the fire,let it burn itself out(nm) - oldtgr MU - 9/21 12:24:30
                    What does speaking have to do with anything? Core values - DHighlander NWMSU - 9/21 11:55:54
                         While you exaggerate a little, your point is fair. We should - GeorgiaTiger76 MU - 9/21 12:04:27
                              The defense wasn’t good last season - wu-tangtiger MU - 9/21 12:38:57
                    You're confusing rhetoric with results! Not surprising. nm - Sigma MU - 9/21 11:42:16
                         No I'm not at all - Cosmo MU - 9/21 11:48:36
     I'd take exception to - FIJItiger MU - 9/21 11:23:07
          I have not seen a team the last three years that was working - DHighlander NWMSU - 9/21 11:38:00
               RE: I have not seen a team the last three years that was working - TONYTIGR MU - 9/21 18:51:06
               I dont think that is accurate at all (nm) - FIJItiger MU - 9/21 11:47:32
               lmao - Cosmo MU - 9/21 11:40:58
               lol. i love when fans see this. the only one working hard - TigerA MU - 9/21 11:40:05
          Amen, nm - MU-TULSA MU - 9/21 11:36:58
     What win rate should CM achieve to meet your standard? - zoomer 99 - 9/21 11:22:13
          The problem for most fans is simple, and boils down to... - zounami MU - 9/21 13:28:54
          If CM went 9-9 in conference and had a Sweet 16 or... - Lerxst MU - 9/21 12:18:21
          We got rid of Haith because he sucked, so everyone said, - MU-TULSA MU - 9/21 11:39:23
          So the standard is the worst coach, possibly, in DI history? - DHighlander NWMSU - 9/21 11:30:30
               He is attempting to use crap to measure against itself - FIJItiger MU - 9/21 11:37:04
                    I'd like to hear what win % you expect as well - zoomer 99 - 9/21 11:38:11
                         Winning % is only one measure. One where CM lags behind - DHighlander NWMSU - 9/21 11:52:43
                         For MU, or Cuonzo? - FIJItiger MU - 9/21 11:51:49
                         We should set the bar at, a minimum of 2:1 wins. nm - MU-TULSA MU - 9/21 11:40:55
                              Ok, so you'd set the minimum higher than Norm Stewart - zoomer 99 - 9/21 11:43:04
                                   Norm was a good coach, not a great coach, never made a F4 - MU-TULSA MU - 9/21 13:10:05
                                        Norm is a hall of fame coach - wu-tangtiger MU - 9/21 13:15:19
                                             As I said he was a good coach, not a great coach or he would - MU-TULSA MU - 9/21 16:53:31
                                                  HOF coaches are better than good (nm) - wu-tangtiger MU - 9/21 19:09:22
               The standard includes all coaches - zoomer 99 - 9/21 11:36:33
                    No, I listed the four coaches who have coached in the last - DHighlander NWMSU - 9/21 12:01:06
                         Not 1972. Just to illustrate how apples to oranges what - FIJItiger MU - 9/21 12:04:22
     you don't like what CM is doing? this is brand new info(nm) - TigerA MU - 9/21 11:19:29




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