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He is attempting to use crap to measure against itself

Posted on: September 21, 2021 at 11:37:04 CT
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Since 2014 we have won at a rate of 42% which considerably drags down our overall %. So his argument is essentially this crappy program should be good enough when viewed through the context of a crappy program.

Obviously if you view MU's program only before it collapsed the post-collapse looks very undesirable.
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Program building. - DHighlander NWMSU - 9/21 11:14:31
     RE: Program building. - HSCoach STL - 9/21 13:39:22
          you can't be a coach, nobody accepts losing - cal tiger MU - 9/21 17:05:21
          Care to provide a link to prove that? - DHighlander NWMSU - 9/21 14:09:28
          16-10 with 9 SRs and JRs - LamarFrazier MU - 9/21 13:42:37
               If the next set of juniors and seniors is better then yea - wu-tangtiger MU - 9/21 14:01:01
                    No, that set showed that CM can finish in the middle of the - DHighlander NWMSU - 9/21 14:11:39
                         As a starting point or baseline sure. - wu-tangtiger MU - 9/21 14:14:26
                              If you show me nothing in years 1-4 I don't think you - DHighlander NWMSU - 9/21 14:22:24
                                   If you didn’t see anything in years 1-4 - wu-tangtiger MU - 9/21 14:23:34
                                        I saw us pay $12M for a coach who has won 55% of his games - DHighlander NWMSU - 9/21 14:33:25
                    The prior 9 SRs and JRs showed you can win here? - LamarFrazier MU - 9/21 14:07:21
                         That’s a weird way to justify your position - wu-tangtiger MU - 9/21 14:13:06
                              So 16-10 prove CM can win at MU? - LamarFrazier MU - 9/21 14:15:33
                                   That’s usually the goal in the early phases of rebuilds - wu-tangtiger MU - 9/21 14:18:31
                                        Newsflash ! 16-10, 8-8 with a roster full of seniors IS a - DHighlander NWMSU - 9/21 14:24:22
                                        yr 4 with 9 SR/JRs he recruitied isn't "early" - LamarFrazier MU - 9/21 14:21:48
                                             You are caught up in the 9 juniors and seniors - wu-tangtiger MU - 9/21 14:22:44
                                                  a veteran team of CM players goes 16-10 - LamarFrazier MU - 9/21 15:05:07
                                                  As he should be. These were not holdovers from a previous - DHighlander NWMSU - 9/21 14:27:26
     How about telling us what the foundational principle SHOULD - GA Tiger MU - 9/21 13:25:45
          His best team in a rebuild shouldn't be his 1st team - LamarFrazier MU - 9/21 13:41:45
               Probably will be his best team after years 5 and 6 - FIJItiger MU - 9/21 13:45:38
                    So no Bruce Pearl-esque Final Four in Year 5? - LamarFrazier MU - 9/21 14:05:51
          Cheney had his match-up zone, Tubbs had his transition - DHighlander NWMSU - 9/21 13:34:32
     RE: Program building. - HSCoach STL - 9/21 13:24:05
     I'm reserving further judgment until after the upcoming... - zounami MU - 9/21 13:20:24
          So we are not allowed to draw any conclusions from the - DHighlander NWMSU - 9/21 13:27:35
               You certainly can, but as a CM critic myself I've chosen - zounami MU - 9/21 13:40:49
               it is never smart to set a conclusion before something - TigerA MU - 9/21 13:32:34
                    We have four years of evidence to draw a conclusion from. - DHighlander NWMSU - 9/21 13:36:33
                         Agreed, but not much *new* evidence since last season... - zounami MU - 9/21 13:44:12
                         that isn't a conclusion. i hope you teach art, pottery or - TigerA MU - 9/21 13:37:43
     Wow. A scathing review. - ERB KC - 9/21 13:12:37
     You get it. You've helped build houses so you obviously - kmawv8 KC - 9/21 12:11:41
          When you build anything do you ever go back and start - DHighlander NWMSU - 9/21 12:30:52
               They aren’t really starting over. (nm) - wu-tangtiger MU - 9/21 12:32:20
                    Really? One returning starter, one bench player and a - DHighlander NWMSU - 9/21 12:35:23
                         Because starting over means starting with nothing. - glue MU - 9/21 12:53:24
                              He had less than he did when he took over the program and we - DHighlander NWMSU - 9/21 13:17:40
                         We have starters who have started before - Diamond Dave MU - 9/21 12:40:22
                              Every single player in DI started in high school, that is - DHighlander NWMSU - 9/21 12:45:22
                                   Transfers weren't scrubs previously, although DeGray - Diamond Dave MU - 9/21 12:57:56
                                        He has a team full of players who have never played P5 BB - DHighlander NWMSU - 9/21 13:23:03
                                             By that definition, Cal @ Kentucky rebuilds every year. (nm) - glue MU - 9/21 13:27:25
                                                  Except of the fact that I specifically addressed losing - DHighlander NWMSU - 9/21 13:29:51
                                                       we lost three professional players(nm) - TigerA MU - 9/21 13:33:32
                                                            Not one left early. A good coach would have planned for - DHighlander NWMSU - 9/21 13:38:32
                                                                 he was recruiting and was planning for their exit(nm) - TigerA MU - 9/21 13:41:20
                                                                      Bullshlt ! He knew they were leaving well before last March - DHighlander NWMSU - 9/21 14:06:32
                                                                           he was trying. didn't do a very good job potentially - TigerA MU - 9/21 14:12:50
                                                                                I have never claimed that CM did not work, ever. Proof of - DHighlander NWMSU - 9/21 14:18:29
                         one starter and one bench player are by definition - TigerA MU - 9/21 12:38:54
                              Nice talk Rusty. Now go play with the other trolls.(nm) - DHighlander NWMSU - 9/21 12:46:06
                                   God I love the irony here (nm) - Cosmo MU - 9/21 13:01:02
                                   as a former pizza delivery driver i know that you need to - TigerA MU - 9/21 12:47:37
                              From an X&O standpoint I doubt - wu-tangtiger MU - 9/21 12:41:32
          lol yeah it’s such a great analogy isn’t it (nm) - Cosmo MU - 9/21 12:30:29
               Is he building a program or not? What does it mean to build - DHighlander NWMSU - 9/21 12:34:12
     There is no foundation, Cuanzo has spent his career - Ragnar Danneskjold MU - 9/21 11:51:19
          If you're right about this year and next, we'll have a new - GeorgiaTiger76 MU - 9/21 12:00:49
     Foundation = transfers to cover for recruiting & development - Sigma MU - 9/21 11:41:04
     Nope, CM doesn't have any foundational principles - Cosmo MU - 9/21 11:28:41
          so damn dramatic. lol (nm) - LamarFrazier MU - 9/21 13:13:44
          Then please identify one, just one. When he was hired he - DHighlander NWMSU - 9/21 11:33:18
               If you listen to him speak ever - Cosmo MU - 9/21 11:40:06
                    Don't feed the fire,let it burn itself out(nm) - oldtgr MU - 9/21 12:24:30
                    What does speaking have to do with anything? Core values - DHighlander NWMSU - 9/21 11:55:54
                         While you exaggerate a little, your point is fair. We should - GeorgiaTiger76 MU - 9/21 12:04:27
                              The defense wasn’t good last season - wu-tangtiger MU - 9/21 12:38:57
                    You're confusing rhetoric with results! Not surprising. nm - Sigma MU - 9/21 11:42:16
                         No I'm not at all - Cosmo MU - 9/21 11:48:36
     I'd take exception to - FIJItiger MU - 9/21 11:23:07
          I have not seen a team the last three years that was working - DHighlander NWMSU - 9/21 11:38:00
               RE: I have not seen a team the last three years that was working - TONYTIGR MU - 9/21 18:51:06
               I dont think that is accurate at all (nm) - FIJItiger MU - 9/21 11:47:32
               lmao - Cosmo MU - 9/21 11:40:58
               lol. i love when fans see this. the only one working hard - TigerA MU - 9/21 11:40:05
          Amen, nm - MU-TULSA MU - 9/21 11:36:58
     What win rate should CM achieve to meet your standard? - zoomer 99 - 9/21 11:22:13
          The problem for most fans is simple, and boils down to... - zounami MU - 9/21 13:28:54
          If CM went 9-9 in conference and had a Sweet 16 or... - Lerxst MU - 9/21 12:18:21
          We got rid of Haith because he sucked, so everyone said, - MU-TULSA MU - 9/21 11:39:23
          So the standard is the worst coach, possibly, in DI history? - DHighlander NWMSU - 9/21 11:30:30
               He is attempting to use crap to measure against itself - FIJItiger MU - 9/21 11:37:04
                    I'd like to hear what win % you expect as well - zoomer 99 - 9/21 11:38:11
                         Winning % is only one measure. One where CM lags behind - DHighlander NWMSU - 9/21 11:52:43
                         For MU, or Cuonzo? - FIJItiger MU - 9/21 11:51:49
                         We should set the bar at, a minimum of 2:1 wins. nm - MU-TULSA MU - 9/21 11:40:55
                              Ok, so you'd set the minimum higher than Norm Stewart - zoomer 99 - 9/21 11:43:04
                                   Norm was a good coach, not a great coach, never made a F4 - MU-TULSA MU - 9/21 13:10:05
                                        Norm is a hall of fame coach - wu-tangtiger MU - 9/21 13:15:19
                                             As I said he was a good coach, not a great coach or he would - MU-TULSA MU - 9/21 16:53:31
                                                  HOF coaches are better than good (nm) - wu-tangtiger MU - 9/21 19:09:22
               The standard includes all coaches - zoomer 99 - 9/21 11:36:33
                    No, I listed the four coaches who have coached in the last - DHighlander NWMSU - 9/21 12:01:06
                         Not 1972. Just to illustrate how apples to oranges what - FIJItiger MU - 9/21 12:04:22
     you don't like what CM is doing? this is brand new info(nm) - TigerA MU - 9/21 11:19:29




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