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Posted on: May 26, 2021 at 15:57:03 CT
FIJItiger MU
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their games guys? The objective of college basketball is not to reach a certain win percentage, nor is that any kind of valid way to assess program strength.

Its patently obvious that MU is vastly in a worse state than pre-2014. By a huge margin. That isn't because Jontay Porter got injured. Bowers got injured in 2011-12 and 2012-13, that was considerably more impactful than Jontay's injury, and MU still won 30/23 games and made the tourney. Being in a state where an injury to a single unproven player destroys your program is by definition indicative of a weak program.

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Wutang has become a shameless liar. He's not even trying... - zounami MU - 5/26 06:53:48
     Glad you get so bend about it. Jesus man find something - DevilsAdvocate KC - 5/27 10:39:44
          A girlfriend would help... - BlackSheep MU - 5/27 12:48:46
               Either way get it done(nm) - DevilsAdvocate KC - 5/27 15:14:33
          still so bitter... cheer up, man (nm) - zounami MU - 5/27 11:52:30
               I am completely content lol(nm) - DevilsAdvocate KC - 5/27 15:14:49
     I trust him and try to ignore you - Jeff80 MU - 5/26 14:27:39
          Wu has some quality takes, but he also pushes an agenda... - zounami MU - 5/26 18:58:52
               While that is True - We ALL Push our Own Agenda - WrightWing MU - 5/27 00:32:40
                    This post is right on(nm) - DevilsAdvocate KC - 5/27 16:48:23
                    I agree with that, but he can be particularly sneaky in the - zounami MU - 5/27 01:45:35
                         Agree on the Sneakiness - Seems Averse to Posting Links - WrightWing MU - 5/27 01:57:52
                              There are a lot of coaches I would trade Cuonzo for - wu-tangtiger MU - 5/27 08:12:20
                                   Understood - Your List is just Shorter than Mine(nm) - WrightWing MU - 5/27 12:39:36
          Agreed.(nm) - Carlos Rossi KC - 5/26 16:35:23
               🐑< ("Agreed.") - zounami MU - 5/26 18:59:21
          Agreed. (nm) - go tigers MU - 5/26 15:29:02
     You people like talking about your own BS than sports. (nm) - mizzou john MU - 5/26 11:12:25
          this. I was going to say the same thing. This time - SabertoothTiger MU - 5/26 11:58:40
               There’s nothing else going on right now - wu-tangtiger MU - 5/26 12:03:51
     Cuonzo's recruiting has been fine. It hasn't been great but - tgr MU - 5/26 09:31:07
          Kind of a loser mentality. There's no reason Missouri - Ohtiger MU - 5/26 09:53:16
               there are tons of reasons why - Jeff80 MU - 5/26 14:30:52
                    yes, that's the case for all middle-tier P5 programs, but - zounami MU - 5/26 19:04:04
               Demand excellence! Never accept mediocrity! - Gavin Citrus MU - 5/26 12:33:49
               Yes there is - Genco98 MU - 5/26 12:13:17
                    if Gonzaga can become a top 10 program, so can Mizzou... - zounami MU - 5/26 19:03:08
                         Gonzaga spends on basketball - wu-tangtiger MU - 5/26 19:06:40
                              if Gonzaga outspends us in ANYTHING, then shame on our AD... - zounami MU - 5/26 19:12:19
                                   The only budget that matters is basketball - wu-tangtiger MU - 5/26 19:27:46
                                        That doesn't refute anything I said... There is no excuse - zounami MU - 5/26 19:42:19
                                             They aren’t a mid major - wu-tangtiger MU - 5/26 21:22:18
                                                  They're a mid-major by definition, with a top head coach. (nm) - zounami MU - 5/26 21:24:33
               It's not a loser mentality. It's just reality. - tgr MU - 5/26 11:32:17
                    Tell that to Gonzaga. (nm) - zounami MU - 5/26 19:04:35
                    Basketall isn't really that hard to succeed at, its only - FIJItiger MU - 5/26 12:45:20
                         Exactly. Much easier to win in BB than FB, and we've had two - zounami MU - 5/26 19:05:30
                         MU will never get back to the glory days of Norm - Jeff80 MU - 5/26 14:33:10
                              LOL, you're such a mopey self-loathing sadsack - zounami MU - 5/26 19:06:29
                              They only reached those glory days because they - FIJItiger MU - 5/26 15:12:12
                              I think this is accepted in football - wu-tangtiger MU - 5/26 14:34:46
                                   Again, the standard is simply pre-2014 - FIJItiger MU - 5/26 15:13:26
                                        Mizzou is a healthy Jontay Porter away from achieving that - wu-tangtiger MU - 5/26 15:15:55
                                             Jontay was healthy 3 seasons ago. MU is 20-32 in SEC play - FIJItiger MU - 5/26 15:26:21
                                                  If he’s healthy Mizzou makes the tournament - wu-tangtiger MU - 5/26 15:30:31
                                                       We were below .500 in both 2018-19 and 2019-20 - FIJItiger MU - 5/26 15:33:11
                                                            Those coaches combined to win 63% of their games - wu-tangtiger MU - 5/26 15:48:30
                                                                 Oh good lord, are you going to become one of those x% of - FIJItiger MU - 5/26 15:57:03
                                                                      Jontay is in the NBA. He wasn’t an unproven player - wu-tangtiger MU - 5/26 16:00:03
                                                                           He started 7 games for MU and avged less than 10 ppg - FIJItiger MU - 5/26 16:04:33
                                                                                That’s where we disagree - wu-tangtiger MU - 5/26 16:22:43
                                                                                     Links to recruits who 'refefenced Mizzou's struggles?' - Newcatbirdseat MU - 5/26 18:44:14
                                                                                          They haven’t had elite talent to showcase - wu-tangtiger MU - 5/26 19:09:10
                                                                                               Link to the Fletcher quote and the quotes from the - Newcatbirdseat MU - 5/26 19:50:35
               Exactly, and you'd think Drink's recruiting would have shown - zounami MU - 5/26 10:01:42
                    His recruiting is still bottom half of the SEC - wu-tangtiger MU - 5/26 10:21:46
                         (1) He is top half at #7... (2) SEC FB vs BB recruiting is - zounami MU - 5/26 10:43:45
                              Watch when Mark Mitchell goes to - wu-tangtiger MU - 5/26 10:46:58
                                   Those sought after by mid-majors are not the types of - DHighlander NWMSU - 5/26 10:59:01
                                        Most had P6 offers - wu-tangtiger MU - 5/26 11:02:24
                                             you have a link confirming any of those? - phrejd MU - 5/26 11:47:35
                                                  I have linked the commitment articles in the past - wu-tangtiger MU - 5/26 11:52:51
                                                       "recruiting them" or "contacted" =/= offers. - phrejd MU - 5/26 11:54:30
                                                            I will take those kids word - wu-tangtiger MU - 5/26 11:57:24
                                                                 they didn't say they had offers. you did. (nm) - phrejd MU - 5/26 12:02:32
                                                                      They listed who they had offers from and who else - wu-tangtiger MU - 5/26 12:05:20
                                                                           lol, this is what I'm talking about in the OP (nm) - zounami MU - 5/26 19:35:39
                                                                                The only way of knowing who has offers - wu-tangtiger MU - 5/26 19:40:08
                                                                           and the offers the listed weren't from P6 teams - phrejd MU - 5/26 12:10:14
                                                                                There’s only 2 that didn’t have P6 offers - wu-tangtiger MU - 5/26 12:14:03
                                                                                     you have a link confirming any of those? - phrejd MU - 5/26 12:16:23
                                                                                          RE: you have a link confirming any of those? - wu-tangtiger MU - 5/26 12:43:35
                                                                                               oh, we're playing pretend again today. i get it. - phrejd MU - 5/26 12:46:41
                                             A 150th rated recruit will most likely get a P5 offer. That - DHighlander NWMSU - 5/26 11:09:19
                                                  Every year guys come from there and below to be great colleg - wu-tangtiger MU - 5/26 11:10:29
                                                       True, there are always going to be outliers and those that - DHighlander NWMSU - 5/26 11:27:28
                                                            Tennessee did. - wu-tangtiger MU - 5/26 11:31:55
                                                                 There is a huge difference in ability between the ranges of - FIJItiger MU - 5/26 12:50:47
                                                                      This guy was SEC player of the year - wu-tangtiger MU - 5/26 13:20:06
                                                                           Bowers and Pinson are about the only players I can - FIJItiger MU - 5/26 14:25:48
                                                                                Denmon, Dixon, Kash, Dru, Geist - wu-tangtiger MU - 5/26 14:33:37
                                                                                     Denmon/Dixon were top 150 level players - FIJItiger MU - 5/26 15:14:32
                                                                                          Both were in the same range as Brookshire, Keita and Brazile - wu-tangtiger MU - 5/26 15:19:06
                                                                                               Disagree, not in the same realm caliber of recruits (nm) - FIJItiger MU - 5/26 15:27:27
                                                                                                    Based on recruiting rankings they are - wu-tangtiger MU - 5/26 15:32:12
                                                                                                         Denmon won DiRenna Award given to the best prep player in KC - FIJItiger MU - 5/26 15:42:17
                                                                                                              I just linked both their recruiting rankings - wu-tangtiger MU - 5/26 15:50:20
                                                                                                                   247 wasn't a thing when they were recruits, I don't know if - FIJItiger MU - 5/26 16:00:47
                                                                                                                        RE: 247 wasn't a thing when they were recruits, I don't know if - wu-tangtiger MU - 5/26 19:29:11
                                                                      RE: There is a huge difference in ability between the ranges of - HSCoach STL - 5/26 13:16:35
                                                                           Those are all transfers (nm) - FIJItiger MU - 5/26 14:26:33
                                                                 That is strike two for CM. His talent development has been - DHighlander NWMSU - 5/26 11:35:52
                                                                      Who hasn’t developed? - wu-tangtiger MU - 5/26 11:39:01
                                                                           MA was recruiting to a specific style. He also had a high - DHighlander NWMSU - 5/26 12:06:48
                                                                           Better question, who has?(nm) - DHighlander NWMSU - 5/26 12:05:12
                                                                                It’s a shorter list to include who hasn’t. - wu-tangtiger MU - 5/26 12:08:00
                                                                                     One year, already developed, yes, transfer, no, hell no, ? , - DHighlander NWMSU - 5/26 12:44:54
     you are mentally ill (nm) - zoomer 99 - 5/26 08:27:18
          do you ever post anything substantive? (nm) - zounami MU - 5/26 08:28:47
               like psychotic, obsessive crusades against posters? (nm) - zoomer 99 - 5/26 08:32:31
                    In fairness to zounami that poster dominates this board - Genco98 MU - 5/26 12:15:16
                         I give wu credit where it's due, but he can be intentionally - zounami MU - 5/26 19:48:51
                    no, like posts with some actual substance in them (nm) - zounami MU - 5/26 08:34:08
                         nah. I only do the psycho obsessive stuff, like you (nm) - zoomer 99 - 5/26 08:35:43
     so brave of you to stand up to him and call him out(nm) - TigerA MU - 5/26 08:04:46
          just setting the record straight (nm) - zounami MU - 5/26 08:14:10
               proving not all heroes wear capes(nm) - TigerA MU - 5/26 08:32:56
                    but zounami certainly does - MizzouAstro MU - 5/26 08:33:52
                         rent-free (nm) - zounami MU - 5/26 08:37:56
                              congrats on owning a cape (nm) - TigerA MU - 5/26 08:58:29
                                   another "cape" comment, as if the first one was clever (nm) - zounami MU - 5/26 09:17:56
                              odd that you think that would be some kind of triumph - MizzouAstro MU - 5/26 08:41:34
                                   what makes you think I consider it a "triumph"? (nm) - zounami MU - 5/26 08:42:49
                                        you post it an embarrassing amount of times - MizzouAstro MU - 5/26 08:52:41
                                             no, you're describing how often you post "dumb".... - zounami MU - 5/26 08:56:25
                                                  more than once is enough(nm) - MizzouAstro MU - 5/26 09:14:34
                                                       yes, so remember that, the next time you can't think of a - zounami MU - 5/26 09:28:47
                                                            no(nm) - MizzouAstro MU - 5/26 10:13:38
     I think cuanzo knows he's gone in two years - Ragnar Danneskjold MU - 5/26 08:02:42
          If you can't even spell his name correctly - ERB KC - 5/26 14:19:18
          That could be a factor, but I think he revealed in a recent - zounami MU - 5/26 08:31:32
               Yeah that's pretty damning(nm) - Ragnar Danneskjold MU - 5/26 09:57:15
               RE: That could be a factor, but I think he revealed in a recent - HSCoach STL - 5/26 08:45:19
                    I'll ask you the same question I asked wutang: Did Cuonzo... - zounami MU - 5/26 08:47:11
     Recruiting is important but as LSU proved in football - alstl MU - 5/26 07:59:56
          Well, CM is averaging an 8.5 finish in the SEC after 4 years - zounami MU - 5/26 08:01:34
     and btw, let's assume wu was just cherry-picking the ranking - zounami MU - 5/26 07:05:50
          I always use 247 as it includes the rivals and rankings - wu-tangtiger MU - 5/26 07:26:57
               That's another lie, which I've called you out on before... - zounami MU - 5/26 07:32:26
                    So you are linking to yourself? - wu-tangtiger MU - 5/26 07:50:16
                         No, I was linking to the exchange we had... - zounami MU - 5/26 07:55:18
                              If they gave that up - wu-tangtiger MU - 5/26 08:04:09
                                   That doesn't make it better, in terms of transparency or - zounami MU - 5/26 08:12:37
                                        Here’s the difference in the 2 sports - wu-tangtiger MU - 5/26 08:16:49
                                             it sure seems like BB's top recruiters tend to win more... - zounami MU - 5/26 08:23:23
                                                  If rankings matter like you think then - wu-tangtiger MU - 5/26 08:33:07
                                                       Baylor had poor recruiting? (nm) - zounami MU - 5/26 08:37:30
                                                            Here are the 4 classes that made up the title team - wu-tangtiger MU - 5/26 08:51:24
                                                                 Small recruiting classes with numerous 4* players. That you - DHighlander NWMSU - 5/26 11:05:17
                                                                      well said (nm) - zounami MU - 5/26 19:50:45
                                                                      I’m not comparing those classes to CM - wu-tangtiger MU - 5/26 11:09:18
                                                                 More spin... In actually, 11 out of their last 15 recruits - zounami MU - 5/26 09:10:48
                                                                      Spin? I linked the rankings straight from 247 - wu-tangtiger MU - 5/26 09:20:02
                                                                           Compare your cherry-picked facts to the ones I presented... - zounami MU - 5/26 09:41:35
                                                                                I trust the rankings for the top 40 or so players - wu-tangtiger MU - 5/26 09:51:50




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