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Posted on: May 23, 2020 at 20:15:29 CT
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is, or my response to your post.

A straw man argument, of course, would have been if I argued against an argument you had not made and pretended that that was your argument and had destroyed it rather than the one you had actually made.

That was not the case at all.

I'll recap for you:

Someone had posted a link to the CNN article in a thread below. It pointed to new CDC "best estimates" that some 35% of the infections were asymptomatic. In a significant way that is good news, of course.

On the other hand, those numbers, if accurate, have a downside... namely that the % of people infected in Missouri & most other places is lower than we would have hoped. That would mean our "herd immunity" is still relatively low... roughly 4.268% of the Missouri population infected and presumably with at least some immunity. I was hoping it would have been higher than that, and I think others probably were thinking that as well.

I crunched the numbers & posted them in a new thread. No fear mongering, just a posting of the evidence we have available.

You responded that the number crunching was "built on sand".

I replied http://www.tigerboard.com/boards/view.php?message=16955880

"Not sure about sand, though it's still fairly early in the epidemic.

Do you have any other numbers or estimates that you consider more reliable?"

That is not even close to mischaracterizing your argument. I was defending my own posting of the current information available to us in an effort to try and gauge our current infection levels, which seems to be a pretty important piece of information as the debate rages over what types of actions, if any we as individuals should take and to assess whether our governments are overreacting and if so to what extent.

The alternative is to either try and discern how and where we could improve the info available, or find better alternative information upon which to form opinions and take actions or to ignore what is available and to form our opinions and take actions based upon... nothing?
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     correct we should not have shut the state down(nm) - TigerFan92 MU - 5/23 21:02:29
          why did you? (nm) - pickle MU - 5/24 08:26:37
          Sweden seems to have done pretty well without shutting - JeffB MU - 5/23 21:06:08
               Missouri hasn't, but we are learning about being under - MUTGR MU - 5/23 21:55:50
                    Who's giving you trouble, some local city, or the state? (nm) - JeffB MU - 5/23 22:11:11
                         Well, I'm in STL County, and it's Sam Page, unelected - MUTGR MU - 5/23 22:13:40
               Lol what? - Da_Haze KC - 5/23 21:17:29
                    Sweden has fewer deaths per million than Belgium, Spain, - JeffB MU - 5/23 22:09:54
                    Trump agrees with you. - tiger4real MU - 5/23 21:19:16
                         I'm pretty sure the man who went golfing - Da_Haze KC - 5/23 21:21:16
               Im gonna boost my immune system and not give a sh#t - Uncle Fester USMC - 5/23 21:10:13
                    Sounds like a plan. (nm) - JeffB MU - 5/23 21:11:00
     The CDC also says it assumes that people without symptoms - MizzouTigerz MU - 5/23 20:16:21
          Neither point impacts what I posted as far as I can tell. - JeffB MU - 5/23 20:35:05
               It's hilarious how you use word count to cover for - 90Tiger STL - 5/23 20:37:42
                    You're welcome to your opinion, of course. Hopefully you're - JeffB MU - 5/23 20:40:54
                         When you make assumptions, you cannot say your findings are - MizzouTigerz MU - 5/23 21:29:19
                              People have to make assumptions all of the time. Scientists, - JeffB MU - 5/23 22:27:38
                         'best estimates' (nm) - 90Tiger STL - 5/23 20:42:03
                         evidence? lol (nm) - 90Tiger STL - 5/23 20:41:20
                              I'm no fan of the CDC, I think they leave a lot to be - JeffB MU - 5/23 20:58:36
                                   To me, the key is fatality rate and who is, on average, - MUTGR MU - 5/23 22:02:30
                                        The case fatality rate is the % diagnosed with it who die. - JeffB MU - 5/23 23:29:10
                                   "best estimates" isn't "evidence" (nm) - 90Tiger STL - 5/23 21:02:57
                                        You want the raw data? (nm) - JeffB MU - 5/23 21:04:19
                                             Stop now please(nm) - tman MU - 5/23 21:07:40
                                             they don't know, Jeff (nm) - 90Tiger STL - 5/23 21:05:57
                                             "best estimates" (nm) - 90Tiger STL - 5/23 21:05:43
          but Jeff did a bunch of math (nm) - 90Tiger STL - 5/23 20:20:05
     Sounds a lot like the flu.nm - tiger4real MU - 5/23 19:10:59
     Careful. People on this board do not know math. Only - HandBanana MU - 5/23 18:45:35
          He's the jebus guy (nm) - 90Tiger STL - 5/23 19:21:49
          ^^^ Desperate for people to stay scared ^^^ - RayKinsella1922 SEC - 5/23 18:59:39
               Nope. Exactly the opposite. - HandBanana MU - 5/23 19:22:27
                    The oriiginal Jeebus brand has not been available for some - RayKinsella1922 SEC - 5/23 20:24:16
          Or meezus. Mm - SparkyStalcup MU - 5/23 18:55:07
     You can’t use that blanket number for missouri because - tigerNkc MU - 5/23 18:42:52
          Why do the numbers in the northeast invalidate them for - JeffB MU - 5/23 18:44:34
     Are you sweating it? It's just another virus. You want to - RayKinsella1922 SEC - 5/23 17:47:54
     that's a lot of math built on sand (nm) - 90Tiger STL - 5/23 17:22:54
          ^Not good at maff (nm) - HandBanana MU - 5/23 18:46:21
          Not sure about sand, though it's still fairly early in the - JeffB MU - 5/23 17:29:14
               Lol - pickle MU - 5/23 18:10:41
                    Link? (nm) - JeffB MU - 5/23 18:14:45
                         it’s in the archives (nm) - pickle MU - 5/23 18:21:42
                              So your lie won't be exposed then. (nm) - JeffB MU - 5/23 18:29:20
                                   Jeff, I was here. I remember your same overreaction to ebol - 90Tiger STL - 5/23 18:37:36
                                        I did in fact point to the potential catastrophe ebola could - JeffB MU - 5/23 18:43:15
                                             lol (nm) - 90Tiger STL - 5/23 18:44:52
                                                  Do you have the ability to expound a little here? - JeffB MU - 5/23 19:45:46
                                                       yes (nm) - 90Tiger STL - 5/23 19:55:17
                                             lol (nm) - pickle MU - 5/23 18:44:49
                                   do you need sarcasm explained to you? - pickle MU - 5/23 18:33:01
                                        I think you're starting to lose it pickle. That wasn't sarca - JeffB MU - 5/23 18:36:43
                                             hi pot - ashtray UF - 5/24 10:13:27
                                             jesus ****ing christ you are stupid (nm) - pickle MU - 5/23 18:38:03
                                                  You relish dwelling at the bottom of the logic pyramid - JeffB MU - 5/23 18:46:36
                                                       Jeff, this isn’t a discussion or debate (nm) - pickle MU - 5/23 18:47:56
                                                            This is a political discussion forum. I'm here to discuss. - JeffB MU - 5/23 20:21:39
                                                  he really is dumb to the core. it's almost sad (nm) - 90Tiger STL - 5/23 18:39:43
                                                       and his sychophant joins him at the bottom. - JeffB MU - 5/23 18:47:08
                                                            I'm sorry, Jeff, but you're just not able to follow an - 90Tiger STL - 5/23 18:49:41
                                                                 Another dodge by the cowardly duo. (nm) - JeffB MU - 5/23 19:37:30
                    that was a h00t (nm) - 90Tiger STL - 5/23 18:12:17
               why do i need other numbers more reliable to say yours - 90Tiger STL - 5/23 17:30:10
                    You don't need any other figures to go on, of course, if you - JeffB MU - 5/23 17:31:09
                         straw man - pickle MU - 5/23 18:24:04
                              Not even close. If you weren't so dumb/lazy yourself you - JeffB MU - 5/23 18:28:54
                                   it's a straw man because I wasn't arguing other number - 90Tiger STL - 5/23 18:40:49
                                        You seem to misunderstand either what a straw man argument - JeffB MU - 5/23 20:15:29
                                   it was a straw man - pickle MU - 5/23 18:34:07
                                        Of course, if you were intelligent enough and your assertion - JeffB MU - 5/23 18:40:03
                                             the board doesn’t need me to see how stupid you are (nm) - pickle MU - 5/23 18:46:25
                                                  You should have stopped at the 5th word. (nm) - JeffB MU - 5/23 20:38:07
                                             you won't understand the explanation I gave because you're - 90Tiger STL - 5/23 18:41:15
                                                  Or maybe you would realize that your argument was an invalid - JeffB MU - 5/23 20:36:04
                         90 prefers to just ***** and cry - meatiger MU - 5/23 17:37:41
                              did you even read the thread? (nm) - pickle MU - 5/23 18:30:54
                              I was crying? Do you have a comment on his premise - 90Tiger STL - 5/23 17:59:24
                                   Just you crying(nm) - meatiger MU - 5/23 18:22:05
                                        drinking early? (nm) - 90Tiger STL - 5/23 18:23:34
                                             Not at all(nm) - meatiger MU - 5/23 18:24:15
                                                  RE: Not at all(nm) - 90Tiger STL - 5/23 18:41:30
                                                       Yes i did(nm) - meatiger MU - 5/23 18:53:14
                                                            what part was me crying? (nm) - 90Tiger STL - 5/23 19:54:35
                         I'm not flying at all Jeff. You're flying (nm) - 90Tiger STL - 5/23 17:33:03
                              I'm sort of flying.(nm) - Toger STL - 5/23 17:59:37
                                   Pretty good stuff? (nm) - JeffB MU - 5/23 18:08:41




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