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So use 45,000 - low ball it
Posted on: May 5, 2020 at 09:49:44 CT
4TigersinMichigan
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Should we shut down for those lives? And if not, why are they less important?
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So for those who claim our hospitals are not overrun, but
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4TigersinMichigan
MU
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5/5 09:29:43
why don't we just lower speed limits to 15 mph?
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o'lineydisciple
MU
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5/5 11:48:48
Is there a number we could "spike" up to per day that
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playhard
NWMSU
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5/5 09:50:35
no (nm)
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90Tiger
STL
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5/5 10:40:50
The numbers that would concern me
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meatiger
MU
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5/5 10:18:15
no(nm)
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MizzouAstro
MU
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5/5 10:00:30
No (nm)
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MIZ45
MU
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5/5 09:58:52
that’s for each person to make
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El-ahrairah
BAMA
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5/5 09:58:47
no, he wants his preferred politician to decide for him (nm)
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Sal
MU
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5/5 10:00:44
if it gets to a point the hospitals are in danger of being
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tigerinhogtown
STL
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5/5 09:51:52
What number is that?(nm)
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playhard
NWMSU
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5/5 09:52:38
The number of beds and ventalators in a given region
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Eggs
MU
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5/5 09:54:52
ventilators were murdering people (nm)
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Sal
MU
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5/5 09:55:11
Sounds like an Iam legal argument(nm)
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Eggs
MU
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5/5 09:56:02
MBS ... is that you? (nm)
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Sal
MU
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5/5 09:51:22
Is the issue a spike or, as we were told, that something my
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4TigersinMichigan
MU
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5/5 09:51:07
We are victims of a government/media bait and switch.
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DHighlander
NWMSU
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5/5 09:56:43
Many are still aruging for lockdowns to continue though
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Eggs
MU
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5/5 10:01:40
Mothers are more protective by nature as well. If there is
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DHighlander
NWMSU
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5/5 10:05:15
Also less likely to rebel and will tend to fall in with
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Eggs
MU
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5/5 10:10:33
people faile to understand that flattening the curve
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tigerinhogtown
STL
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5/5 09:42:17
and wrecked the economy(nm)
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MizzouAstro
MU
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5/5 10:01:11
And short of a vaccination that same number will get the
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DHighlander
NWMSU
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5/5 09:59:20
We're currently living a medical emergency pandemic and a
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ummmm
MU
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5/5 09:51:38
You're correct, and I'm not sure if most people don't
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Sal
MU
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5/5 09:49:21
AND got a lot of medical workers furloughed(nm)
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Eggs
MU
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5/5 09:45:40
And what about all the daily things people intake
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Eggs
MU
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5/5 09:37:16
I fear the number of deaths six months to a year from now
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DHighlander
NWMSU
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5/5 10:02:34
Here's a hypothetical that not a single shutdown supporter
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ummmm
MU
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5/5 09:41:24
You keep falling back to the flu
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Da_Haze
KC
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5/5 09:37:00
Flu vaccine is reported as approx. 50% effective
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ummmm
MU
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5/5 09:43:47
50% effective is pretty good considering
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Da_Haze
KC
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5/5 09:47:53
No, I can't tell you. But your post demonstrates what I was
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ummmm
MU
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5/5 09:52:48
So deaths don't really matter to you? (nm)
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Sal
MU
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5/5 09:48:28
Yes, because "we have something" even if that "something"
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4TigersinMichigan
MU
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5/5 09:44:40
So if we get a 10% effective vaccine Haze will be good(nm)
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tman
MU
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5/5 09:46:06
Getting the flu vaccine is a personal choice
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Eggs
MU
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5/5 09:42:28
I agree vaccines are and should be a personal choice
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Da_Haze
KC
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5/5 09:46:05
then running businesses should be a personal choice too(nm)
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dangertim
MU
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5/5 11:50:20
We lost 80,000 lives to the flu in 2018
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4TigersinMichigan
MU
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5/5 09:39:08
We "lost " 600.000 to abortion last year
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Old Vet
MU
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5/5 09:46:35
That is an estimate. There were only 8,000 deaths directly
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SparkyStalcup
MU
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5/5 09:43:17
I only know one person who has died from CV to this point
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playhard
NWMSU
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5/5 10:01:24
Yes, because anecdotal evidence is instructive? Nm
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SparkyStalcup
MU
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5/5 10:03:47
what about the 100,000 in 1968?150k in today's population(nm)
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tigerinhogtown
STL
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5/5 09:47:02
So, is 8,001 your number? (nm)
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ummmm
MU
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5/5 09:45:08
I'm just saying compare apples to apples and be honest about
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SparkyStalcup
MU
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5/5 09:48:25
Why does the estimate not do it for you? That estimate is
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ummmm
MU
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5/5 09:50:13
Why does the COVID number not do it for you? Nm
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SparkyStalcup
MU
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5/5 09:52:07
What do you mean?
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ummmm
MU
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5/5 09:53:42
And I dont have a number of acceptable deaths so we can open
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SparkyStalcup
MU
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5/5 09:55:21
Wait, so, is your number...1 ? (nm)
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ummmm
MU
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5/5 09:56:42
None of that was ever the point. The point is that comparing
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SparkyStalcup
MU
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5/5 10:02:27
The point of this thread (if you read the OP) is to ask
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ummmm
MU
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5/5 10:08:38
because he doesn't hold a position, only criticisms (nm)
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90Tiger
STL
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5/5 10:43:49
Hell, use 45,000
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4TigersinMichigan
MU
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5/5 09:50:34
That is a bull poop story
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4TigersinMichigan
MU
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5/5 09:43:49
No, it is the truth as previously pointed out and supported.
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SparkyStalcup
MU
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5/5 09:46:41
So use 45,000 - low ball it
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4TigersinMichigan
MU
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5/5 09:49:44
Actually, 45000 would be toward the top of the interval
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SparkyStalcup
MU
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5/5 09:54:14
And the vaccine was developed in the 1930s (nm)
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mizzouSECedes
STL
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5/5 09:41:38
The point is that we still have something for the flu
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Da_Haze
KC
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5/5 09:40:39
So we "have something" that still leads to 80,000 deaths
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4TigersinMichigan
MU
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5/5 09:43:04
8,000 deaths. Nm
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SparkyStalcup
MU
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5/5 09:43:54
80000(nm)
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tman
MU
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5/5 09:45:01
Link from the actual CDC estimate
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SparkyStalcup
MU
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5/5 09:47:25
So use 8,000 - do you not care about those lives?(nm)
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4TigersinMichigan
MU
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5/5 09:54:30
What started as a "sincere" question, is quickly turning
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kmawv8
MU
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5/5 09:57:24
No, I am attempting to ascertain if lives saved is the goal
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4TigersinMichigan
MU
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5/5 11:21:01
Understanding how data is collected is important when
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SparkyStalcup
MU
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5/5 10:00:57
Straw man. Nm
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SparkyStalcup
MU
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5/5 09:55:50
No(nm)
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4TigersinMichigan
MU
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5/5 09:44:55
Yes. You are using inflated estimates and comparing it to
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SparkyStalcup
MU
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5/5 09:51:14
So closed until we have a vacine or heard
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tman
MU
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5/5 09:41:56
What number?(nm)
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tman
MU
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5/5 09:37:36
I would like to see what evidence there was
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Sal
MU
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5/5 09:36:59
there is none, it was an educated guess and like they said
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tigerinhogtown
STL
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5/5 09:44:25
I don't agree with "either way you will be wrong"
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Sal
MU
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5/5 09:46:07
yes, what Asa did here in AR worked beautifully
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tigerinhogtown
STL
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5/5 09:50:22
This question has been asked approximately 10000000000 times
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kmawv8
MU
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5/5 09:31:54
The longer this goes, the more I hope people think about it
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4TigersinMichigan
MU
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5/5 09:33:28
It's not that people haven't thought about it
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Sal
MU
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5/5 09:35:50
And that is why I don't want to assume motive
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4TigersinMichigan
MU
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5/5 09:37:12
What is your number?
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meatiger
MU
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5/5 09:39:15
I don't think you can use a number
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4TigersinMichigan
MU
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5/5 09:41:10
So why do you ask a number question
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meatiger
MU
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5/5 10:12:23
Because the only standard for continuing the actions we
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4TigersinMichigan
MU
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5/5 11:22:15