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So for those who claim our hospitals are not overrun, but

Posted on: May 5, 2020 at 09:29:43 CT
4TigersinMichigan MU
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that this is really about saving lives. I ask this with all sincerity. Not a gotcha. What number of lives is sufficient to "save" before we open back up? And does this mean if we can save 30,000 lives next flu season, we should shut down and do so? And if not, why?

I am not callous about life. But, it is not the government's job (IMO) to stop life in this way to "save" us from living. I get that we feared our hospitals would be bursting and could not handle the sick masses. Thankfully that did not happen. So back to my question. What number of lives saved is "worth it" to force businesses to close?

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So for those who claim our hospitals are not overrun, but - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 5/5 09:29:43
     why don't we just lower speed limits to 15 mph? - o'lineydisciple MU - 5/5 11:48:48
     Is there a number we could "spike" up to per day that - playhard NWMSU - 5/5 09:50:35
          no (nm) - 90Tiger STL - 5/5 10:40:50
          The numbers that would concern me - meatiger MU - 5/5 10:18:15
          no(nm) - MizzouAstro MU - 5/5 10:00:30
          No (nm) - MIZ45 MU - 5/5 09:58:52
          that’s for each person to make - El-ahrairah BAMA - 5/5 09:58:47
               no, he wants his preferred politician to decide for him (nm) - Sal MU - 5/5 10:00:44
          if it gets to a point the hospitals are in danger of being - tigerinhogtown STL - 5/5 09:51:52
               What number is that?(nm) - playhard NWMSU - 5/5 09:52:38
                    The number of beds and ventalators in a given region - Eggs MU - 5/5 09:54:52
                         ventilators were murdering people (nm) - Sal MU - 5/5 09:55:11
                              Sounds like an Iam legal argument(nm) - Eggs MU - 5/5 09:56:02
          MBS ... is that you? (nm) - Sal MU - 5/5 09:51:22
          Is the issue a spike or, as we were told, that something my - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 5/5 09:51:07
               We are victims of a government/media bait and switch. - DHighlander NWMSU - 5/5 09:56:43
                    Many are still aruging for lockdowns to continue though - Eggs MU - 5/5 10:01:40
                         Mothers are more protective by nature as well. If there is - DHighlander NWMSU - 5/5 10:05:15
                              Also less likely to rebel and will tend to fall in with - Eggs MU - 5/5 10:10:33
     people faile to understand that flattening the curve - tigerinhogtown STL - 5/5 09:42:17
          and wrecked the economy(nm) - MizzouAstro MU - 5/5 10:01:11
          And short of a vaccination that same number will get the - DHighlander NWMSU - 5/5 09:59:20
          We're currently living a medical emergency pandemic and a - ummmm MU - 5/5 09:51:38
          You're correct, and I'm not sure if most people don't - Sal MU - 5/5 09:49:21
          AND got a lot of medical workers furloughed(nm) - Eggs MU - 5/5 09:45:40
     And what about all the daily things people intake - Eggs MU - 5/5 09:37:16
          I fear the number of deaths six months to a year from now - DHighlander NWMSU - 5/5 10:02:34
          Here's a hypothetical that not a single shutdown supporter - ummmm MU - 5/5 09:41:24
     You keep falling back to the flu - Da_Haze KC - 5/5 09:37:00
          Flu vaccine is reported as approx. 50% effective - ummmm MU - 5/5 09:43:47
               50% effective is pretty good considering - Da_Haze KC - 5/5 09:47:53
                    No, I can't tell you. But your post demonstrates what I was - ummmm MU - 5/5 09:52:48
                    So deaths don't really matter to you? (nm) - Sal MU - 5/5 09:48:28
               Yes, because "we have something" even if that "something" - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 5/5 09:44:40
                    So if we get a 10% effective vaccine Haze will be good(nm) - tman MU - 5/5 09:46:06
          Getting the flu vaccine is a personal choice - Eggs MU - 5/5 09:42:28
               I agree vaccines are and should be a personal choice - Da_Haze KC - 5/5 09:46:05
                    then running businesses should be a personal choice too(nm) - dangertim MU - 5/5 11:50:20
          We lost 80,000 lives to the flu in 2018 - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 5/5 09:39:08
               We "lost " 600.000 to abortion last year - Old Vet MU - 5/5 09:46:35
               That is an estimate. There were only 8,000 deaths directly - SparkyStalcup MU - 5/5 09:43:17
                    I only know one person who has died from CV to this point - playhard NWMSU - 5/5 10:01:24
                         Yes, because anecdotal evidence is instructive? Nm - SparkyStalcup MU - 5/5 10:03:47
                    what about the 100,000 in 1968?150k in today's population(nm) - tigerinhogtown STL - 5/5 09:47:02
                    So, is 8,001 your number? (nm) - ummmm MU - 5/5 09:45:08
                         I'm just saying compare apples to apples and be honest about - SparkyStalcup MU - 5/5 09:48:25
                              Why does the estimate not do it for you? That estimate is - ummmm MU - 5/5 09:50:13
                                   Why does the COVID number not do it for you? Nm - SparkyStalcup MU - 5/5 09:52:07
                                        What do you mean? - ummmm MU - 5/5 09:53:42
                                             And I dont have a number of acceptable deaths so we can open - SparkyStalcup MU - 5/5 09:55:21
                                                  Wait, so, is your number...1 ? (nm) - ummmm MU - 5/5 09:56:42
                                                       None of that was ever the point. The point is that comparing - SparkyStalcup MU - 5/5 10:02:27
                                                            The point of this thread (if you read the OP) is to ask - ummmm MU - 5/5 10:08:38
                                                                 because he doesn't hold a position, only criticisms (nm) - 90Tiger STL - 5/5 10:43:49
                                   Hell, use 45,000 - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 5/5 09:50:34
                    That is a bull poop story - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 5/5 09:43:49
                         No, it is the truth as previously pointed out and supported. - SparkyStalcup MU - 5/5 09:46:41
                              So use 45,000 - low ball it - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 5/5 09:49:44
                                   Actually, 45000 would be toward the top of the interval - SparkyStalcup MU - 5/5 09:54:14
               And the vaccine was developed in the 1930s (nm) - mizzouSECedes STL - 5/5 09:41:38
               The point is that we still have something for the flu - Da_Haze KC - 5/5 09:40:39
                    So we "have something" that still leads to 80,000 deaths - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 5/5 09:43:04
                         8,000 deaths. Nm - SparkyStalcup MU - 5/5 09:43:54
                              80000(nm) - tman MU - 5/5 09:45:01
                                   Link from the actual CDC estimate - SparkyStalcup MU - 5/5 09:47:25
                                        So use 8,000 - do you not care about those lives?(nm) - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 5/5 09:54:30
                                             What started as a "sincere" question, is quickly turning - kmawv8 MU - 5/5 09:57:24
                                                  No, I am attempting to ascertain if lives saved is the goal - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 5/5 11:21:01
                                                  Understanding how data is collected is important when - SparkyStalcup MU - 5/5 10:00:57
                                             Straw man. Nm - SparkyStalcup MU - 5/5 09:55:50
                              No(nm) - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 5/5 09:44:55
                                   Yes. You are using inflated estimates and comparing it to - SparkyStalcup MU - 5/5 09:51:14
                    So closed until we have a vacine or heard - tman MU - 5/5 09:41:56
          What number?(nm) - tman MU - 5/5 09:37:36
     I would like to see what evidence there was - Sal MU - 5/5 09:36:59
          there is none, it was an educated guess and like they said - tigerinhogtown STL - 5/5 09:44:25
               I don't agree with "either way you will be wrong" - Sal MU - 5/5 09:46:07
                    yes, what Asa did here in AR worked beautifully - tigerinhogtown STL - 5/5 09:50:22
     This question has been asked approximately 10000000000 times - kmawv8 MU - 5/5 09:31:54
          The longer this goes, the more I hope people think about it - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 5/5 09:33:28
               It's not that people haven't thought about it - Sal MU - 5/5 09:35:50
                    And that is why I don't want to assume motive - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 5/5 09:37:12
                         What is your number? - meatiger MU - 5/5 09:39:15
                              I don't think you can use a number - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 5/5 09:41:10
                                   So why do you ask a number question - meatiger MU - 5/5 10:12:23
                                        Because the only standard for continuing the actions we - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 5/5 11:22:15




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