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The longer this goes, the more I hope people think about it

Posted on: May 5, 2020 at 09:33:28 CT
4TigersinMichigan MU
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rather than reacting fearfully about it. The picture of what we are facing is clearing. And yes, when we open back up there will be a spike in cases and people will die.

I would like some of those in favor of keeping this in place to save live to put some context around what that means.
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So for those who claim our hospitals are not overrun, but - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 5/5 09:29:43
     why don't we just lower speed limits to 15 mph? - o'lineydisciple MU - 5/5 11:48:48
     Is there a number we could "spike" up to per day that - playhard NWMSU - 5/5 09:50:35
          no (nm) - 90Tiger STL - 5/5 10:40:50
          The numbers that would concern me - meatiger MU - 5/5 10:18:15
          no(nm) - MizzouAstro MU - 5/5 10:00:30
          No (nm) - MIZ45 MU - 5/5 09:58:52
          that’s for each person to make - El-ahrairah BAMA - 5/5 09:58:47
               no, he wants his preferred politician to decide for him (nm) - Sal MU - 5/5 10:00:44
          if it gets to a point the hospitals are in danger of being - tigerinhogtown STL - 5/5 09:51:52
               What number is that?(nm) - playhard NWMSU - 5/5 09:52:38
                    The number of beds and ventalators in a given region - Eggs MU - 5/5 09:54:52
                         ventilators were murdering people (nm) - Sal MU - 5/5 09:55:11
                              Sounds like an Iam legal argument(nm) - Eggs MU - 5/5 09:56:02
          MBS ... is that you? (nm) - Sal MU - 5/5 09:51:22
          Is the issue a spike or, as we were told, that something my - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 5/5 09:51:07
               We are victims of a government/media bait and switch. - DHighlander NWMSU - 5/5 09:56:43
                    Many are still aruging for lockdowns to continue though - Eggs MU - 5/5 10:01:40
                         Mothers are more protective by nature as well. If there is - DHighlander NWMSU - 5/5 10:05:15
                              Also less likely to rebel and will tend to fall in with - Eggs MU - 5/5 10:10:33
     people faile to understand that flattening the curve - tigerinhogtown STL - 5/5 09:42:17
          and wrecked the economy(nm) - MizzouAstro MU - 5/5 10:01:11
          And short of a vaccination that same number will get the - DHighlander NWMSU - 5/5 09:59:20
          We're currently living a medical emergency pandemic and a - ummmm MU - 5/5 09:51:38
          You're correct, and I'm not sure if most people don't - Sal MU - 5/5 09:49:21
          AND got a lot of medical workers furloughed(nm) - Eggs MU - 5/5 09:45:40
     And what about all the daily things people intake - Eggs MU - 5/5 09:37:16
          I fear the number of deaths six months to a year from now - DHighlander NWMSU - 5/5 10:02:34
          Here's a hypothetical that not a single shutdown supporter - ummmm MU - 5/5 09:41:24
     You keep falling back to the flu - Da_Haze KC - 5/5 09:37:00
          Flu vaccine is reported as approx. 50% effective - ummmm MU - 5/5 09:43:47
               50% effective is pretty good considering - Da_Haze KC - 5/5 09:47:53
                    No, I can't tell you. But your post demonstrates what I was - ummmm MU - 5/5 09:52:48
                    So deaths don't really matter to you? (nm) - Sal MU - 5/5 09:48:28
               Yes, because "we have something" even if that "something" - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 5/5 09:44:40
                    So if we get a 10% effective vaccine Haze will be good(nm) - tman MU - 5/5 09:46:06
          Getting the flu vaccine is a personal choice - Eggs MU - 5/5 09:42:28
               I agree vaccines are and should be a personal choice - Da_Haze KC - 5/5 09:46:05
                    then running businesses should be a personal choice too(nm) - dangertim MU - 5/5 11:50:20
          We lost 80,000 lives to the flu in 2018 - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 5/5 09:39:08
               We "lost " 600.000 to abortion last year - Old Vet MU - 5/5 09:46:35
               That is an estimate. There were only 8,000 deaths directly - SparkyStalcup MU - 5/5 09:43:17
                    I only know one person who has died from CV to this point - playhard NWMSU - 5/5 10:01:24
                         Yes, because anecdotal evidence is instructive? Nm - SparkyStalcup MU - 5/5 10:03:47
                    what about the 100,000 in 1968?150k in today's population(nm) - tigerinhogtown STL - 5/5 09:47:02
                    So, is 8,001 your number? (nm) - ummmm MU - 5/5 09:45:08
                         I'm just saying compare apples to apples and be honest about - SparkyStalcup MU - 5/5 09:48:25
                              Why does the estimate not do it for you? That estimate is - ummmm MU - 5/5 09:50:13
                                   Why does the COVID number not do it for you? Nm - SparkyStalcup MU - 5/5 09:52:07
                                        What do you mean? - ummmm MU - 5/5 09:53:42
                                             And I dont have a number of acceptable deaths so we can open - SparkyStalcup MU - 5/5 09:55:21
                                                  Wait, so, is your number...1 ? (nm) - ummmm MU - 5/5 09:56:42
                                                       None of that was ever the point. The point is that comparing - SparkyStalcup MU - 5/5 10:02:27
                                                            The point of this thread (if you read the OP) is to ask - ummmm MU - 5/5 10:08:38
                                                                 because he doesn't hold a position, only criticisms (nm) - 90Tiger STL - 5/5 10:43:49
                                   Hell, use 45,000 - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 5/5 09:50:34
                    That is a bull poop story - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 5/5 09:43:49
                         No, it is the truth as previously pointed out and supported. - SparkyStalcup MU - 5/5 09:46:41
                              So use 45,000 - low ball it - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 5/5 09:49:44
                                   Actually, 45000 would be toward the top of the interval - SparkyStalcup MU - 5/5 09:54:14
               And the vaccine was developed in the 1930s (nm) - mizzouSECedes STL - 5/5 09:41:38
               The point is that we still have something for the flu - Da_Haze KC - 5/5 09:40:39
                    So we "have something" that still leads to 80,000 deaths - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 5/5 09:43:04
                         8,000 deaths. Nm - SparkyStalcup MU - 5/5 09:43:54
                              80000(nm) - tman MU - 5/5 09:45:01
                                   Link from the actual CDC estimate - SparkyStalcup MU - 5/5 09:47:25
                                        So use 8,000 - do you not care about those lives?(nm) - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 5/5 09:54:30
                                             What started as a "sincere" question, is quickly turning - kmawv8 MU - 5/5 09:57:24
                                                  No, I am attempting to ascertain if lives saved is the goal - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 5/5 11:21:01
                                                  Understanding how data is collected is important when - SparkyStalcup MU - 5/5 10:00:57
                                             Straw man. Nm - SparkyStalcup MU - 5/5 09:55:50
                              No(nm) - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 5/5 09:44:55
                                   Yes. You are using inflated estimates and comparing it to - SparkyStalcup MU - 5/5 09:51:14
                    So closed until we have a vacine or heard - tman MU - 5/5 09:41:56
          What number?(nm) - tman MU - 5/5 09:37:36
     I would like to see what evidence there was - Sal MU - 5/5 09:36:59
          there is none, it was an educated guess and like they said - tigerinhogtown STL - 5/5 09:44:25
               I don't agree with "either way you will be wrong" - Sal MU - 5/5 09:46:07
                    yes, what Asa did here in AR worked beautifully - tigerinhogtown STL - 5/5 09:50:22
     This question has been asked approximately 10000000000 times - kmawv8 MU - 5/5 09:31:54
          The longer this goes, the more I hope people think about it - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 5/5 09:33:28
               It's not that people haven't thought about it - Sal MU - 5/5 09:35:50
                    And that is why I don't want to assume motive - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 5/5 09:37:12
                         What is your number? - meatiger MU - 5/5 09:39:15
                              I don't think you can use a number - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 5/5 09:41:10
                                   So why do you ask a number question - meatiger MU - 5/5 10:12:23
                                        Because the only standard for continuing the actions we - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 5/5 11:22:15




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