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So for those who claim our hospitals are not overrun, but - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 5/5 09:29:43

why don't we just lower speed limits to 15 mph? - o'lineydisciple MU - 5/5 11:48:48

Is there a number we could "spike" up to per day that - playhard NWMSU - 5/5 09:50:35

no (nm) - 90Tiger STL - 5/5 10:40:50

The numbers that would concern me - meatiger MU - 5/5 10:18:15

no(nm) - MizzouAstro MU

- 5/5 10:00:30

No (nm) - MIZ45 MU - 5/5 09:58:52

that’s for each person to make - El-ahrairah BAMA - 5/5 09:58:47

no, he wants his preferred politician to decide for him (nm) - Sal MU

- 5/5 10:00:44

if it gets to a point the hospitals are in danger of being - tigerinhogtown STL - 5/5 09:51:52

What number is that?(nm) - playhard NWMSU - 5/5 09:52:38

The number of beds and ventalators in a given region - Eggs MU - 5/5 09:54:52

ventilators were murdering people (nm) - Sal MU

- 5/5 09:55:11

Sounds like an Iam legal argument(nm) - Eggs MU - 5/5 09:56:02

MBS ... is that you? (nm) - Sal MU

- 5/5 09:51:22

Is the issue a spike or, as we were told, that something my - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 5/5 09:51:07

We are victims of a government/media bait and switch. - DHighlander NWMSU - 5/5 09:56:43

Many are still aruging for lockdowns to continue though - Eggs MU - 5/5 10:01:40

Mothers are more protective by nature as well. If there is - DHighlander NWMSU - 5/5 10:05:15

Also less likely to rebel and will tend to fall in with - Eggs MU - 5/5 10:10:33

people faile to understand that flattening the curve - tigerinhogtown STL - 5/5 09:42:17

and wrecked the economy(nm) - MizzouAstro MU

- 5/5 10:01:11

And short of a vaccination that same number will get the - DHighlander NWMSU - 5/5 09:59:20

We're currently living a medical emergency pandemic and a - ummmm MU - 5/5 09:51:38

You're correct, and I'm not sure if most people don't - Sal MU

- 5/5 09:49:21

AND got a lot of medical workers furloughed(nm) - Eggs MU - 5/5 09:45:40

And what about all the daily things people intake - Eggs MU - 5/5 09:37:16

I fear the number of deaths six months to a year from now - DHighlander NWMSU - 5/5 10:02:34

Here's a hypothetical that not a single shutdown supporter - ummmm MU - 5/5 09:41:24

You keep falling back to the flu - Da_Haze KC - 5/5 09:37:00

Flu vaccine is reported as approx. 50% effective - ummmm MU - 5/5 09:43:47

50% effective is pretty good considering - Da_Haze KC - 5/5 09:47:53

No, I can't tell you. But your post demonstrates what I was - ummmm MU - 5/5 09:52:48

So deaths don't really matter to you? (nm) - Sal MU

- 5/5 09:48:28

Yes, because "we have something" even if that "something" - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 5/5 09:44:40

So if we get a 10% effective vaccine Haze will be good(nm) - tman MU - 5/5 09:46:06

Getting the flu vaccine is a personal choice - Eggs MU - 5/5 09:42:28

I agree vaccines are and should be a personal choice - Da_Haze KC - 5/5 09:46:05

then running businesses should be a personal choice too(nm) - dangertim MU

- 5/5 11:50:20

We lost 80,000 lives to the flu in 2018 - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 5/5 09:39:08

We "lost " 600.000 to abortion last year - Old Vet MU - 5/5 09:46:35

That is an estimate. There were only 8,000 deaths directly - SparkyStalcup MU - 5/5 09:43:17

I only know one person who has died from CV to this point - playhard NWMSU - 5/5 10:01:24

Yes, because anecdotal evidence is instructive? Nm - SparkyStalcup MU - 5/5 10:03:47

what about the 100,000 in 1968?150k in today's population(nm) - tigerinhogtown STL - 5/5 09:47:02

So, is 8,001 your number? (nm) - ummmm MU - 5/5 09:45:08

I'm just saying compare apples to apples and be honest about - SparkyStalcup MU - 5/5 09:48:25

Why does the estimate not do it for you? That estimate is - ummmm MU - 5/5 09:50:13

Why does the COVID number not do it for you? Nm - SparkyStalcup MU - 5/5 09:52:07

What do you mean? - ummmm MU - 5/5 09:53:42

And I dont have a number of acceptable deaths so we can open - SparkyStalcup MU - 5/5 09:55:21

Wait, so, is your number...1 ? (nm) - ummmm MU - 5/5 09:56:42

None of that was ever the point. The point is that comparing - SparkyStalcup MU - 5/5 10:02:27

The point of this thread (if you read the OP) is to ask - ummmm MU - 5/5 10:08:38

because he doesn't hold a position, only criticisms (nm) - 90Tiger STL - 5/5 10:43:49

Hell, use 45,000 - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 5/5 09:50:34

That is a bull poop story - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 5/5 09:43:49

No, it is the truth as previously pointed out and supported. - SparkyStalcup MU - 5/5 09:46:41

So use 45,000 - low ball it - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 5/5 09:49:44

Actually, 45000 would be toward the top of the interval - SparkyStalcup MU - 5/5 09:54:14

And the vaccine was developed in the 1930s (nm) - mizzouSECedes STL - 5/5 09:41:38

The point is that we still have something for the flu - Da_Haze KC - 5/5 09:40:39

So we "have something" that still leads to 80,000 deaths - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 5/5 09:43:04

8,000 deaths. Nm - SparkyStalcup MU - 5/5 09:43:54

80000(nm) - tman MU - 5/5 09:45:01

Link from the actual CDC estimate - SparkyStalcup MU - 5/5 09:47:25

So use 8,000 - do you not care about those lives?(nm) - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 5/5 09:54:30

What started as a "sincere" question, is quickly turning - kmawv8 MU - 5/5 09:57:24

No, I am attempting to ascertain if lives saved is the goal - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 5/5 11:21:01

Understanding how data is collected is important when - SparkyStalcup MU - 5/5 10:00:57

Straw man. Nm - SparkyStalcup MU - 5/5 09:55:50

No(nm) - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 5/5 09:44:55

Yes. You are using inflated estimates and comparing it to - SparkyStalcup MU - 5/5 09:51:14

So closed until we have a vacine or heard - tman MU - 5/5 09:41:56

What number?(nm) - tman MU - 5/5 09:37:36

I would like to see what evidence there was - Sal MU

- 5/5 09:36:59

there is none, it was an educated guess and like they said - tigerinhogtown STL - 5/5 09:44:25

I don't agree with "either way you will be wrong" - Sal MU

- 5/5 09:46:07

yes, what Asa did here in AR worked beautifully - tigerinhogtown STL - 5/5 09:50:22

This question has been asked approximately 10000000000 times - kmawv8 MU - 5/5 09:31:54

The longer this goes, the more I hope people think about it - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 5/5 09:33:28

It's not that people haven't thought about it - Sal MU

- 5/5 09:35:50

And that is why I don't want to assume motive - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 5/5 09:37:12

What is your number? - meatiger MU - 5/5 09:39:15

I don't think you can use a number - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 5/5 09:41:10

So why do you ask a number question - meatiger MU - 5/5 10:12:23

Because the only standard for continuing the actions we - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 5/5 11:22:15

50% effective is pretty good considering

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