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How often do you see a bottom dweller have a top 5

Posted on: June 16, 2021 at 10:45:52 CT

DHighlander NWMSU

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recruiting class? KA was a horrible coach but a decent recruiter. CM had everything he needed for an instant turn around. He botched that and has shown nothing to suggest that he is actually building a program here.

The two elite 8 runs and the 30 win season happened in an 11 year span. So by my math that was every 3-4 years not every 8-9.

No one here is asking for a great team every year or for SEC championships. We want a team that is not an afterthought. Outside of year one and the Porter hype CM has yet to feild a team that has been relevant the last month of any season. Even that first team was only marginally relevant the last month of the season.

Edited by DHighlander at 10:47:01 on 06/16/21

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Another dismal look at MU bb in the SEC - FIJItiger MU

- 6/15 12:34:13

Simple solution... return to our home conference... - ClassicTiger MU - 6/16 14:56:32

RE: you're an idiot! Our 'home' conference, that screwed us - 77TIGER MU - 6/17 16:16:54

Yeah just read it at rock M nation its sad but true. This - thytiger MU - 6/15 17:41:43

Drink will guarantee it.....nm - tigertix MU - 6/16 10:00:50

Maybe we do suck (nm) - samclemens MU

- 6/15 21:59:54

I think the make or break is 22-23 - wu-tangtiger MU - 6/15 17:48:53

Like this year...never mind....nm - tigertix MU - 6/16 13:03:30

^^ I agree. - Nazfan MU - 6/16 08:16:29

make or break was last year but we can keep putting it off - alwaysright MU - 6/15 21:37:50

Agree, that already happened. It did not - FIJItiger MU

- 6/16 08:18:47

How was last year a break year? (nm) - wu-tangtiger MU - 6/15 21:46:45

The team fell apart and did not meet the potential they - alwaysright MU - 6/15 22:25:28

I thought I was more positive about the potential - wu-tangtiger MU - 6/15 22:29:05

Really? You are one of the most negative posters on here - FIJItiger MU

- 6/16 08:44:45

You don’t like me bringing up Mizzou’s - wu-tangtiger MU - 6/16 08:56:21

Doesn't bother me, but you always do it in the most negative - FIJItiger MU

- 6/16 09:01:10

It's to set low expectations & hope Cuonzo exceeds those & - Sigma MU - 6/16 09:21:02

No. It’s just an understanding of where Mizzou is - wu-tangtiger MU - 6/16 09:26:39

Clearly you don't recognize backward steps! - Sigma MU - 6/16 10:42:55

Best way to establish expectations is to look at history - wu-tangtiger MU - 6/16 09:04:32

Nope, just pre-2014. MU's expectations should be - FIJItiger MU

- 6/16 12:07:00

I posted below what Mizzou did from 95 to current - wu-tangtiger MU - 6/16 12:11:53

Haven't read it yet, but I know what MU was 1995-current - FIJItiger MU

- 6/16 12:13:56

If a legit recruit read your posts he'd think Mizzou - Newcatbirdseat MU - 6/16 09:14:48

That has been what Mizzou has done the last 27 years - wu-tangtiger MU - 6/16 09:25:06

No, it would have worked if Cuonzo would have - Newcatbirdseat MU - 6/16 09:32:12

Getting great recruits doesn’t create the momentum - wu-tangtiger MU - 6/16 09:39:25

Mizzou went from one of the worst teams available - Newcatbirdseat MU - 6/16 10:34:22

I never said that Mizzou hadn’t ever been a good program - wu-tangtiger MU - 6/16 10:40:41

A good coach won't do "basically the same thing." - Newcatbirdseat MU - 6/16 10:42:53

Ok well I saw it with Pinkel, Odom, Quin, MA, and Haith - wu-tangtiger MU - 6/16 10:48:55

Using past trends to predict future outcomes, pretty much - Newcatbirdseat MU - 6/16 10:53:02

It’s funny you do that with the coaches you have decided - wu-tangtiger MU - 6/16 10:58:29

There is nothing in Cuonzo's history to indicate that he - Newcatbirdseat MU - 6/16 11:06:04

Mizzou’s last 25 years says the same thing - wu-tangtiger MU - 6/16 11:07:45

The Cuonzo era may be real fun for you, but I actually - Newcatbirdseat MU - 6/16 11:09:11

You probably haven’t had much fun the last 25 years - wu-tangtiger MU - 6/16 11:12:21

You have a very selective memory. Prior to Kim and CM - DHighlander NWMSU - 6/16 11:27:19

2 of those 8 seasons were good - wu-tangtiger MU - 6/16 11:28:50

You are comparing CMs best seasons to the worst of other - DHighlander NWMSU - 6/16 11:49:00

So you would take an NIT team over a NCAA tournament team? - wu-tangtiger MU - 6/16 11:52:34

The NIT team was FHs worst team and you want to compare - DHighlander NWMSU - 6/16 12:09:03

So what’s your realistic plan to get Mizzou - wu-tangtiger MU - 6/16 12:13:07

Competent coach. That is the one and only thing required to - DHighlander NWMSU - 6/16 12:20:35

Hiring a new coach is step one, but to be fair we - FIJItiger MU

- 6/16 12:59:06

Then you have to wait 2 years for this one to fail - wu-tangtiger MU - 6/16 12:24:32

A senior laden team in Martin’s 4th year had to do better. - alwaysright MU - 6/16 08:17:33

Mizzou has done that 5 times in the last 27 seasons - wu-tangtiger MU - 6/16 08:33:40

Comment on Cuonzo yrs. not others. - Sigma MU - 6/16 09:21:54

I think the make or break Should have been 20-21(nm) - DHighlander NWMSU - 6/15 17:49:38

Then with the tournament appearance it was made. - wu-tangtiger MU - 6/15 17:51:45

Barry Odom was fired after four years the last three of - DHighlander NWMSU - 6/15 18:15:23

What’s Mizzou doing if making the tournament - wu-tangtiger MU - 6/15 21:46:19

RE: What’s Mizzou doing if making the tournament - SEMO_Hillbilly UMKC - 6/16 07:46:45

That's one of your problems. - Newcatbirdseat MU - 6/15 22:51:06

Right I haven’t ever seen the great version of Mizzou - wu-tangtiger MU - 6/15 22:56:00

You weren't here to see MA and QS take teams to the elite 8? - DHighlander NWMSU - 6/16 10:09:57

I would rather see Mizzou build a sustainable program - wu-tangtiger MU - 6/16 10:16:38

How often do you see a bottom dweller have a top 5 - DHighlander NWMSU - 6/16 10:45:52

If by botched you mean forced his 2 stars - wu-tangtiger MU - 6/16 10:50:22

Jontay was not injured year one. Barnett and Kass - DHighlander NWMSU - 6/16 11:07:00

That 2nd class was the foundation of last season - wu-tangtiger MU - 6/16 11:10:27

Ninth best eh. You seem to have left out the middle step. - DHighlander NWMSU - 6/16 11:33:34

I chose steps in the process of getting to that final goal - wu-tangtiger MU - 6/16 11:40:14

This season was NOT a step forward. When you have a - DHighlander NWMSU - 6/16 11:52:54

Ok I disagree (nm) - wu-tangtiger MU - 6/16 11:57:24

Please explain how this season was a step forward. - DHighlander NWMSU - 6/16 12:11:13

Made the tournament. Made some philosophical - wu-tangtiger MU - 6/16 12:15:43

The Alden/KY/Norm/Sundvold legacy of failure....nm - tigertix MU - 6/15 17:08:48

agree, Norm got outcoached frequently in the SEC - Fire Marshall Bill MU - 6/15 21:24:10

They got KY hired, Alden was a punnk-ass...nm - tigertix MU - 6/16 09:57:47

Drink's recruiting momentum will put some pressure on - Erwin Fletcher STL - 6/15 14:32:27

Hopefully it does. I have doubts that it’s really - wu-tangtiger MU - 6/15 14:37:05

Drink went .500 in conference and landed some nice recruits - zoomer 99 - 6/15 15:33:59

"some nice recruits" = MU's highest ranked class of all time - zounami MU - 6/15 15:38:46

(and Drink didn't have to give 7-figure contracts to their - zounami MU - 6/15 15:39:48

You're right, CM landed the highest-ever class at MU - zoomer 99 - 6/15 15:39:30

CM didn't "land" the Porter class, a 7-figure contract for - zounami MU - 6/15 15:47:09

link? (nm) - zoomer 99 - 6/15 15:54:01

You know how people know when you're making stuff up? - zoomer 99 - 6/15 15:54:38

He’s right, everyone does know it.(nm) - *M* KC - 6/15 18:05:37

Wait - I thought he hired MPSr because of his mad skills! - Newcatbirdseat MU - 6/15 19:19:16

You think nobody else offered MPSr a job? - zoomer 99 - 6/15 20:06:56

So you now agree that Zounami's not 'making stuff up?' (nm) - Newcatbirdseat MU - 6/16 08:35:14

2021 was our highest-ranked class of all-time in FB... - zounami MU - 6/15 15:19:46

Except 11th in the SEC was good for 28th nationally - Missiurifarmboy MU - 6/15 15:18:15

Where’s the spin? I said I hope he’s right - wu-tangtiger MU - 6/15 16:23:38

ranked even higher by Rivals... and 2022 is on pace to be - zounami MU - 6/15 15:34:37

why do we need to find deeper analysis to show we have - TigerA MU - 6/15 12:56:24

I think the point of that series is what - wu-tangtiger MU - 6/15 12:58:35

granted i didn't read it but how long does it take to - TigerA MU - 6/15 13:00:54

That can't be the answer - FIJItiger MU

- 6/15 13:51:12

Why not? - wu-tangtiger MU - 6/15 14:13:52

Lost way too much momentum - FIJItiger MU

- 6/15 14:21:04

Dru wasn’t even the first - wu-tangtiger MU - 6/15 14:28:35

How do you put yourself in position - wu-tangtiger MU - 6/15 13:06:11

KA cratered & CM is treading water. Wow! - Sigma MU - 6/15 12:39:03

Exactly what you'd expect from a 12th-place budget - zoomer 99 - 6/15 12:36:48

We need to pay players more? - tigerfans3 MU - 6/16 08:19:17

We probably have a 12th place budget in football - Tiger Tim MU - 6/15 21:01:31

Where did our football budget slot among the SEC in - FIJItiger MU

- 6/15 13:53:55

What does that have to do with my post? - zoomer 99 - 6/15 14:14:06

RE: What does that have to do with my post? - SEMO_Hillbilly UMKC - 6/16 07:52:32

Trying to figure out an angle that could generate - FIJItiger MU

- 6/15 14:24:48

lol the way you write is hilarious - zoomer 99 - 6/15 14:45:05

Glad you are able to derive entertainment from it (nm) - FIJItiger MU

- 6/15 15:13:03

But the 7th highest paid head coach. I think we can see - DHighlander NWMSU - 6/15 12:47:06

CM doesn't allocate the MU AD's budget (nm) - zoomer 99 - 6/15 13:39:31

I'm pretty sure he negotiated his salary AND budget. - DHighlander NWMSU - 6/15 14:23:49