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Law and order doesn’t work

Posted on: March 30, 2021 at 09:14:59 CT
El-ahrairah BAMA
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The strictest law and order societies are totalitarian nightmares



The alternative is voluntary interactions.



Think about your interactions with law and order: going to the voting booth, registering a vehicle at the dmv, going to court for a traffic ticket, paying your taxes, being drafted, going to a public school, getting a building permit, being searched at the airport


Mostly miserable experiences and the only violence most of us will encounter occurs in these situations


Now think about your voluntary interactions which is everything else that you choose to do. How much better are they? All of your interactions could be voluntary. You just have to assume the responsibility of your choices instead of giving it to the state.
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Just for clarification as some truly wrestle with this - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 3/30 08:09:53
     That's not what the Constitution says. - ummmm MU - 3/30 10:27:31
          There is a system set to determine the constitutionality of - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 3/30 10:31:45
               Read the constitution - pickle MU - 3/30 11:11:33
               There isn't a system. Determination of constitutionality - ummmm MU - 3/30 10:34:08
     so: - 90Tiger STL - 3/30 08:56:34
          I cannot think of any people in positions of authority - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 3/30 09:02:07
               gvmt, and specifically cops, aren't private citizens working - 90Tiger STL - 3/30 09:04:01
                    There is no position of authority where the proper use of - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 3/30 09:05:43
                         That's not an argument, 4Tigs, that's 1. a statement of - 90Tiger STL - 3/30 09:11:13
                              No law can ever do that - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 3/30 09:14:05
                                   you can’t argue both law and order and selective application - pickle MU - 3/30 09:20:26
                                        100% accurate. - kmawv8 MU - 3/30 10:08:59
                                             Maintaining order has nothing to do with rigid and - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 3/30 10:17:33
                                                  BTW...most of the arguments - meatiger MU - 3/30 10:22:26
                                                       While true, he also purposely misuses "Law & Order" - kmawv8 MU - 3/30 10:25:43
                                                  You refused to acknowledge the actual definition of the - kmawv8 MU - 3/30 10:21:45
                                                       No, it means you enforce the law to the degree it maintains - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 3/30 10:29:11
                                                            I have and they don't agree with you. - kmawv8 MU - 3/30 10:32:15
                                                       He knows the sheriff - meatiger MU - 3/30 10:23:24
                                                            White privilege? - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 3/30 10:29:46
                                   elections to law enforcement officers are just like judges - meatiger MU - 3/30 09:17:46
                                        And again, we get the government and elected officals - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 3/30 09:24:12
                         "proper use of discretion" - meatiger MU - 3/30 09:10:21
                              No, and I would be willing to bet it is grounded in a - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 3/30 09:11:37
                                   as usual, you are inconsistent (nm) - pickle MU - 3/30 09:17:30
                                        It is impossible for him to be consistent - meatiger MU - 3/30 09:19:15
                                             he defers to any perceived authority - pickle MU - 3/30 09:21:14
                                                  That is because he is treated well by such authority - meatiger MU - 3/30 09:22:42
                                   red herring and ad hom; a laydown (nm) - 90Tiger STL - 3/30 09:12:59
                                        Reality is not an ad hom - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 3/30 09:14:57
                                             it was an ad hom, regardless of its accuracy, 4Tigs. Do - 90Tiger STL - 3/30 09:19:24
                                                  I do - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 3/30 09:23:17
                                                       RE: I do - 90Tiger STL - 3/30 09:28:20
          Outside of an occasional - meatiger MU - 3/30 08:59:09
               "selective enforcement" bro. It's how you maintain "real" - 90Tiger STL - 3/30 09:02:48
                    Reality is not giving into the juvenile notion that law and - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 3/30 09:07:45
     No, if they stamp their feet and post enough to get the last - MUTGR MU - 3/30 08:54:28
          That didn’t work on Jan 6(nm) - El-ahrairah BAMA - 3/30 08:56:07
          I guess I sort of admire their passion - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 3/30 08:55:40
     Harriet Tubman shouldnt have the privilege to free slaves - El-ahrairah BAMA - 3/30 08:48:14
          Oh, she could certainly do it - and could even make a - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 3/30 08:49:27
               Law and order doesn’t work - El-ahrairah BAMA - 3/30 09:14:59
                    I would agree strict enforcement of all laws does not - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 3/30 09:22:14
                    Hear, hear (nm) - pickle MU - 3/30 09:22:00
               “we don't have the privilege of deciding on our own what is - pickle MU - 3/30 08:55:32
     also, this is your rejecting independent thought - pickle MU - 3/30 08:34:49
     And then you say a cop that does not enforce the law - meatiger MU - 3/30 08:34:45
          It is one means of maintaining order - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 3/30 08:35:29
               That completely contradicts your first post(nm) - meatiger MU - 3/30 08:48:10
                    Not at all - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 3/30 08:50:37
                         How do you make an analogy - meatiger MU - 3/30 08:52:14
                              Because there is not total disregard for the law when - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 3/30 08:53:13
                                   selective enforcement is far worse than total disregard. - 90Tiger STL - 3/30 09:01:29
                                        Inconsistent selective enforcement is far worse - that is - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 3/30 09:04:29
                                             LMFAO - let's have "consistent selective enforcement" - isn' - 90Tiger STL - 3/30 09:11:59
                                                  I have no issues with discretionary enforcement - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 3/30 09:16:23
                                                       Of course you don't ....you are a middle aged white male(nm) - meatiger MU - 3/30 09:20:04
                                                            And as I said before, I don't know any blacks who have - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 3/30 09:25:32
                                                                 that was not my point(nm) - meatiger MU - 3/30 09:35:53
                                             How can you possibly have consistent selective enforcement - meatiger MU - 3/30 09:05:38
                                                  It isn't that hard - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 3/30 09:10:09
                                                       So why are there laws against jaywalking - meatiger MU - 3/30 09:11:21
                                                            Most places have gone to that type of approach - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 3/30 09:27:18
                                                                 Alright, I'll have some fun. - kmawv8 MU - 3/30 10:29:23
                                                                      To them..a potential future victim - meatiger MU - 3/30 10:37:09
                                                                      I was referring to his comment on jaywalking and how - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 3/30 10:36:37
                                                                           How are those laws morphed? - meatiger MU - 3/30 10:38:57
                                                                                The point is many places have worked to more narrowly - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 3/30 10:42:31
                                                                                     examples? - meatiger MU - 3/30 10:43:53
                                                                           Do you have examples of how that law has morphed and where? - kmawv8 MU - 3/30 10:38:19
                                                                 That's so ridiculous I don't even know where to start. (nm) - kmawv8 MU - 3/30 10:17:49
                                                                      Try - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 3/30 10:27:27
                                                            BINGO! (nm) - 90Tiger STL - 3/30 09:14:15
                                   that is what I said - meatiger MU - 3/30 08:57:42
               lmao (nm) - pickle MU - 3/30 08:44:34
               lol - 90Tiger STL - 3/30 08:42:13
     That is 100% incorrect. Read the constitution (nm) - pickle MU - 3/30 08:32:50
     Jury nullification... it is ashame the vast majority of - TigerMatt STL - 3/30 08:28:56
          But there is still no question of whether the law was broken - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 3/30 08:33:37
               Read the constitution (nm) - pickle MU - 3/30 08:35:09
          America was founded on Jury Nullification(nm) - dangertim MU - 3/30 08:32:43
     RE: Just for clarification as some truly wrestle with this - scan MU - 3/30 08:22:18
          No argument with that whatsoever - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 3/30 08:25:55
     But remember...demlibs create their own reality.(nm) - GA Tiger MU - 3/30 08:15:07
          And shockingly, even otherwise reasonable people in - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 3/30 08:17:44




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