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Is gender or gender roles the construct?

Posted on: March 17, 2021 at 08:54:59 CT
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it seems that people are confusing the two. Naming a sex of a organism is not the same as assigning roles to them.

It seems that this is based of the bastardization of the word truth. Back in the day, your lived experience use to form your opinion, but now it forms your truths.
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PROOF about social constructs. Pseudo science created by - hokie VT - 3/17 08:32:19
     “Sorry stupid, trees existed before they were named by peopl - pickle MU - 3/17 08:58:44
          lol (nm) - kmawv8 MU - 3/17 08:59:04
               he’s dumb and doesn’t read (nm) - pickle MU - 3/17 09:19:41
     Social constructs exist - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 3/17 08:51:18
     If you can't understand a basic fact that race and - kmawv8 MU - 3/17 08:49:30
          Then you need to explain why, for example, - GA Tiger MU - 3/17 09:00:48
               a genetic population does not equate to biological race (nm) - pickle MU - 3/17 09:05:17
               I don't need to do anything of the sort. - kmawv8 MU - 3/17 09:04:14
                    You need to, to justify your point - if I understand it. - GA Tiger MU - 3/17 09:16:37
                         stated like a true demlib. Good job, GAT (nm) - ashtray UF - 3/17 09:41:41
                         go watch tv, GAT (nm) - pickle MU - 3/17 09:25:33
                         No I don't. The fact that gender is a social construct - kmawv8 MU - 3/17 09:21:35
                         You don’t understand anything - Panthera MU - 3/17 09:19:23
          Is gender or gender roles the construct? - tcat KC - 3/17 08:54:59
               No, there's a difference between sex and gender. - kmawv8 MU - 3/17 08:58:11
                    Yeah by you. Gender is just a naming of a sex - tcat KC - 3/17 09:02:06
                         no (nm) - pickle MU - 3/17 09:19:58
                              What is the name of the sex of a organism - tcat KC - 3/17 09:26:34
                                   Sex =/= gender (nm) - pickle MU - 3/17 09:28:57
                                        Gender is just a name assigned to the sex - tcat KC - 3/17 09:35:14
                                             No, that’s incorrect (nm) - pickle MU - 3/17 09:38:06
                         This I believe to be true(nm) - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 3/17 09:08:38
                         No - kmawv8 MU - 3/17 09:03:20
                              Seems the concept of gender was constructed and contrived - hokie VT - 3/17 09:12:50
                                   You just perfectly ascribed the whole gender construct - meatiger MU - 3/17 09:19:16
                                   Gender was constructed long befroe - kmawv8 MU - 3/17 09:15:10
                                        consider the group here denying this (nm) - pickle MU - 3/17 09:26:52
                                             Or, for sane people, consider - DesertTiger MU - 3/17 10:33:02
                                                  advocating what? (nm) - pickle MU - 3/17 10:43:33
                              So if a guy wants to take on the roles of a woman, do it - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 3/17 09:10:59
                                   You have made excellent points in this thread. If a man - hokie VT - 3/17 09:30:50
                                        It is very clear - a social construct does not change - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 3/17 09:32:40
                                             Science is a social construct (nm) - pickle MU - 3/17 09:38:41
                                   Language is a social construct - pickle MU - 3/17 09:27:51
                                   Probably dependent on how far they go - meatiger MU - 3/17 09:13:31
                                        No, it doesn't - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 3/17 09:16:50
                                             so F'n what(nm) - meatiger MU - 3/17 09:18:10
                                                  So don't ask me to call a man a woman or vice versa - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 3/17 09:20:05
                                                       Go ahead - meatiger MU - 3/17 09:21:04
                                                            Does he not have the right to be bigoted ?(nm) - tcat KC - 3/17 09:29:12
                                                                 I said..."that is fine"(nm) - meatiger MU - 3/17 09:29:39
                                                            How is it bigoted? - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 3/17 09:22:40
                                   I can't believe so many of you are so willfully ignorant. - kmawv8 MU - 3/17 09:13:10
                                        They don't believe the definitions - meatiger MU - 3/17 09:16:43
                                             Yes, when you normalize abnormal behavior you will get more - DHighlander NWMSU - 3/17 09:25:17
                                                  So..if your child felt a different way - meatiger MU - 3/17 09:28:20
                                                       If my child had a mental illness I would get them help to - DHighlander NWMSU - 3/17 09:46:33
                                                            yep..that parent that forces their kids to fit the mold - meatiger MU - 3/17 09:48:45
                                                                 As opposed to the parent who changes their child's sex on a - DHighlander NWMSU - 3/17 10:13:56
                                                                      Every person is different - meatiger MU - 3/17 10:16:59
                                                                           Every person is indeed different, but here is reality - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 3/17 10:19:24
                                                                                Where did I ever say - meatiger MU - 3/17 10:28:37
                                             I am actually holding to the definitions - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 3/17 09:20:52
                                                  no..you are holding to the definition of sex(nm) - meatiger MU - 3/17 09:21:36
                                                       And male/female is sex - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 3/17 09:23:49
                                                            So if you met a person - meatiger MU - 3/17 09:26:07
                                                                 I know such a person - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 3/17 09:27:35
                                                                      good that he knows you are a bigot(nm) - meatiger MU - 3/17 09:28:54
                                                                           There is nothing bigoted about science meat(nm) - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 3/17 09:30:20
                                                            Gender as a social construct is more than just a role. - kmawv8 MU - 3/17 09:25:11
                                                                 No, it is pretty much an assumed role and it does not - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 3/17 09:26:54
                                        And that is fine - what I say is crazy is that we are - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 3/17 09:14:30
                                             no, it's a man taking on a woman's role - ashtray UF - 3/17 09:49:12
                                             Why do you care so much? - meatiger MU - 3/17 09:17:48
                                                  Same reason I would not call Phil Benji if he told me he - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 3/17 09:18:36
                                                       Why do you have to keep bringing up completely different - meatiger MU - 3/17 09:20:20
                                                            Because if we are denying what we definitively know about - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 3/17 09:21:56
                                                                 this was the same argument used to oppose gay marriage - meatiger MU - 3/17 09:23:20
                                                                      No, but it would have been had the argument for gay marriage - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 3/17 09:25:07
                                                                           that was not my point - meatiger MU - 3/17 09:27:02
                                                                                In gay marriage the argument was not about denying - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 3/17 09:28:57
                                                                                     nobody is doing that with male/female (nm) - ashtray UF - 3/17 09:50:28
                                                                                     lol(nm) - meatiger MU - 3/17 09:30:23
                                                                                          And not surprising that is your response as there is - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 3/17 09:31:06
                                                                                               because it is stupidity - meatiger MU - 3/17 09:33:46
                                                                                                    Then refute me scientifically - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 3/17 09:35:34
                                                                                                         It has been said many times - meatiger MU - 3/17 09:36:56
                                                                                                              Re-read the path you took and the argument I made meat - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 3/17 09:39:10
                                                                                                                   What have I changed? - meatiger MU - 3/17 09:42:10
                                                                                                                        But that still does not change whether they are male - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 3/17 09:47:07
                                                                                                                             your analogies are just downright horrible - meatiger MU - 3/17 09:50:12
                                             IMO, you can call whomever you like whatever you like - kmawv8 MU - 3/17 09:17:39
                                                  Gender may be a social construct, but assuming the role does - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 3/17 09:19:38
                                                       may be? It absolutely 100% is a social construct. - kmawv8 MU - 3/17 09:22:32
                                                            So fine, but assuming the role of a female does not make you - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 3/17 09:25:47
                                                                 what is the "role of a female" - ashtray UF - 3/17 09:52:10
                                                                 That's because there is more involved in gender than - kmawv8 MU - 3/17 09:29:05
                                                                      It does not matter what a man assumes by way of gender - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 3/17 09:31:44
                                                       Given we now have hormone therapy and operations - meatiger MU - 3/17 09:22:23
                                                            One's sex can be masked - cannot be changed - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 3/17 09:33:22
                                                                 so what - meatiger MU - 3/17 09:34:20
                                                                      You just claimed sex can be changed - no it cannot - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 3/17 09:40:17
                                                                           agree with you - meatiger MU - 3/17 09:43:20
                                                                                And too many have taken that name to mean it can be - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 3/17 09:44:59
                                                                                     no (nm) - ashtray UF - 3/17 09:53:09
                                                                                     he is a "male"(nm) - meatiger MU - 3/17 09:45:32
          So I am about as white as I can be - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 3/17 08:52:10
               No, that's not how social constructs work (nm) - kmawv8 MU - 3/17 08:53:59
                    So how is race a social construct in the same way a man - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 3/17 08:54:46
                         Read the article (nm) - pickle MU - 3/17 09:24:13
                         Having white skin is a fact. - kmawv8 MU - 3/17 09:01:19
                              How is the white race a social construct? - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 3/17 09:08:15
                                   Define the elements of race - pickle MU - 3/17 09:24:51
                                   Because people make assumptions about people - meatiger MU - 3/17 09:12:02
                                        But taking on the assumed role of another group does not - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 3/17 09:13:01
                                             female isn't a gender (nm) - ashtray UF - 3/17 10:02:47
                                             And if that person feels more comfortable in that role - meatiger MU - 3/17 09:14:37
                                                  And they can do so, but that does not make a man a - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 3/17 09:34:10
                                                       yet..it bothers you tremendously(nm) - meatiger MU - 3/17 09:37:40
                                                            Facts don't bother me - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 3/17 09:44:16
                                                                 they just confuse you - ashtray UF - 3/17 10:03:18
     On topics such as this I do not want to hear from political - DHighlander NWMSU - 3/17 08:42:56
          this isn’t hard science - pickle MU - 3/17 09:11:08
          Very true. A few years ago I had a discussion with someone - hokie VT - 3/17 08:54:48
               economics has nothing to do with political partisanship - pickle MU - 3/17 09:07:22




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