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and we don't even know the scope of the consequences to come

Posted on: May 5, 2020 at 23:05:27 CT
JeffB MU
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If we already had "The Mother of All Bubbles", and I think there's a lot of evidence for that, this could end up causing an unprecedented financial crisis down the road.

If we're lucky, this will go away quickly and the world economy and US economy will be pretty resilient and some people will even come out way ahead, even as others suffer greatly... lost businesses, personal bankruptcies, destroyed careers and so on.

Perhaps the likely inflation will mostly be in a few areas of the economy and ongoing innovations will help make up for the capital, both human and economic that was wasted.

But we could also see things start to spiral out of control. Production has undoubtedly contracted sharply, even as the government has been pumping out trillions of dollars. That's a recipe for significant inflation. How would that be handled? Raise interest rates? That's a recipe for all kinds of pain & further economic disruption. But doing nothing or not doing enough would let inflation kick into a higher gear, and that too causes a lot of pain and economic disruption.

Another point to keep in mind is that it hasn't just been a major disruption in the U.S. economy, but in virtually every nation worldwide. Sometimes other nations can help absorb an economic shock to a nation, or even to a number of nations, but this time everyone will be reeling at the same time. That further destabilizes things.

Yet another bad factor is how this will play out regarding world trade. A lot of nations are ticked at China, and rightfully so. This could very well escalate trade tensions and the US has a high probability of ramping up tariffs on Chinese goods and other nations may do the same. China (the number 2 economic power in the world?) will of course retaliate. Trade wars are likely.

Trade wars can turn into real wars, of course, especially in economic crises. Chinese business owners are already burning down their businesses because there are no orders and the communists are mandating they open up again... foolishness, of course, but people can't operate businesses at a big loss for long regardless of government mandates... Some are running the machines, but making nothing, but others are smashing the machines and burning the buildings to have an excuse for not consuming the amounts of power mandated by the government.

The communist chinese government may be a bigger bubble economy than the US. At some point they are going to crash and burn unless something changes quickly. A cornered animal is a dangerous animal...
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          Link? Would it really matter? (nm) - JeffB MU - 5/5 21:11:31
               Yes, that dumb woman needs to get back in the kitchen and - ummmm MU - 5/5 21:14:38
          This is a good example of an ad hominem. - ummmm MU - 5/5 21:08:18
               Yes, she’s a partisan hack with no scientific background who - miz_zou MU - 5/5 21:14:08
                    Do you have the ability to discuss her facts or give details - JeffB MU - 5/5 21:34:29
                    Her article is pointing out a lack of science. It's not - ummmm MU - 5/5 21:16:08
                         Source it, you will find out for yourself. All you seem - miz_zou MU - 5/5 21:29:12
                              You haven't addressed a single one of her contentions. How - JeffB MU - 5/5 21:39:03
                                   Using number of cases - meatiger MU - 5/5 21:41:51
                                        Her point was what effect the experts said that the lockdown - JeffB MU - 5/5 21:47:45
                                             Right. After 6 weeks of social distancing, if social - ummmm MU - 5/5 21:54:51
                                                  It was quasi-social distancing - meatiger MU - 5/5 21:56:27
                                                       I dunno. Businesses closed, the roads nearly empty for - JeffB MU - 5/5 22:06:33
                                                            Yet - meatiger MU - 5/5 22:13:59
                                                       Can you divorce the exceptions and the enforcement - ummmm MU - 5/5 21:59:28
                                                            It does seem that Italy's strong measures had a marked - JeffB MU - 5/5 22:13:11
                                                                 None of that is science. There is nothing to draw from it. - ummmm MU - 5/5 22:18:12
                                                                      I think scientists could/would work with that data, though - JeffB MU - 5/5 22:25:16
                                                                           This is perfectly stated. (nm) - ummmm MU - 5/5 22:37:51
                                                                           Science should be used to dessiminate - meatiger MU - 5/5 22:29:51
                                                                 RE: It does seem that Italy's strong measures had a marked - meatiger MU - 5/5 22:16:09
                                                                      So many unknowns, yet so little reluctance to enter - ummmm MU - 5/5 22:20:59
                                                                           RE: So many unknowns, yet so little reluctance to enter - meatiger MU - 5/5 22:22:30
                                                            The closest you can come - meatiger MU - 5/5 22:05:10
                                                                 it wasn't effective and you're not going to get people - 90Tiger STL - 5/5 22:09:44
                                                                      I was talking abou tthe science - meatiger MU - 5/5 22:11:51
                                                                           There's no science behind social distancing. - ummmm MU - 5/5 22:16:06
                                                                                The science is around probabilities - meatiger MU - 5/5 22:20:59
                                                                                     Yes, you cannot control people. - ummmm MU - 5/5 22:24:28
                                                                                          I think in many ways - meatiger MU - 5/5 22:28:26
                                                                                               and we don't even know the scope of the consequences to come - JeffB MU - 5/5 23:05:27
                                                                                                    RE: and we don't even know the scope of the consequences to come - meatiger MU - 5/5 23:11:49
                                                                                                         We had a big bubble here BEFORE the Fed lowered rates - JeffB MU - 5/5 23:20:02
                                                                                               Never let a crisis go to waste. (nm) - ummmm MU - 5/5 22:38:10
                                                                                                    true...unfortunately(nm) - meatiger MU - 5/5 22:39:03
                                             But the number of cases (positive tests) - meatiger MU - 5/5 21:53:59
                              Wow. Quite the deflection. - ummmm MU - 5/5 21:34:39
                                   If you sourced rather than accept everything as fact - miz_zou MU - 5/5 21:40:26
                                        Alright, I sourced the five references in her article. - ummmm MU - 5/5 21:51:12
                                        Not to hijack, but I’m a science believer. I’d like to - Emoji Man MSU - 5/5 21:46:43
                                             Tump should be a socialist - meatiger MU - 5/5 21:55:23
                                        Which facts do you dispute exactly? Do you disbelieve this - JeffB MU - 5/5 21:42:11




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