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First mentioned in the 4th century, but Christians

Posted on: December 26, 2018 at 23:19:08 CT
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celebrated Christmas on December 25th from before 181 AD, per the writings of St. Theophilus, Bishop of Caesarea died c. 181 AD. He was a bishop in Palestine where Jesus' Mother, Mary was. He wrote:

"We ought to celebrate the birth of Our Lord on what day soever the 15th of December shall happen."

and St. Hippolytus who died c. 235

"The First Advent of our Lord in the flesh occurred when He was born in Bethlehem, was December 25th"
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While the Good Feel of Christmas is a great testament - raskolnikov MU - 12/26 20:56:02
     Good Friday & Easter which don't line up with Jesus' - TigerMatt STL - 12/26 23:12:34
          Holiday switches were part of recruiting, it seems(nm) - raskolnikov MU - 12/27 08:03:47
          RE: Good Friday & Easter which don't line up with Jesus' - Alferd Packer MU - 12/26 23:57:18
          False premise. They do line up. Why do you believe that they - JeffB MU - 12/26 23:43:56
               I get a kick out of the line "Divine Providence arrange" - raskolnikov MU - 12/27 08:07:26
          SHhhh don't tell Alfred or Refugee or Jeff (nm) - MrBlueSky MU - 12/26 23:20:20
     Stupid, gullible pseudo-intellectual bs. - Alferd Packer MU - 12/26 21:37:36
          Lol, I bet that made you feel good (nm) - MrBlueSky MU - 12/26 21:48:58
               Well, it was accurate - FootballRefugee MU - 12/26 22:13:23
                    It ain't - MrBlueSky MU - 12/26 23:21:24
                         Your repeating it doesn't make it true - FootballRefugee MU - 12/27 08:25:48
          LOL you are so deluded - JG MU - 12/26 21:47:36
               First mentioned in the 4th century, but Christians - JeffB MU - 12/26 23:19:08
                    RE: First mentioned in the 4th century, but Christians - pickle MU - 12/26 23:31:37
                         'In Old Norse poetry, the word is often employed as a - JeffB MU - 12/26 23:51:51
                              There were "saints" in Palestine --- ha ha ha - raskolnikov MU - 12/27 10:44:45
               Wikipedia! The moran's authoritative source. - Alferd Packer MU - 12/26 22:19:18
                    Bigotry to defend stupidity - JG MU - 12/26 22:55:32
                         Dishonesty boygeorgia style. - Alferd Packer MU - 12/26 23:11:10
                              LOL - JG MU - 12/26 23:18:51
          What Scriptures did "early church fathers' use? - raskolnikov MU - 12/26 21:45:31
               It was a Tradition of the early Church. Our Lord's Mother, - JeffB MU - 12/26 22:16:22
                    Come on friend` - raskolnikov MU - 12/26 22:22:53
                         You seem to misunderstand. Dating of the Gospel of John - JeffB MU - 12/26 23:29:05
                              The "John" in the story at the foot of the cross - raskolnikov MU - 12/27 08:13:54
     That whole substitution of Christmas for pagan holidays - JeffB MU - 12/26 21:34:48
          ROFLMFAO - raskolnikov MU - 12/26 21:39:42
               Historians would laugh at you, unless they felt too sorry - JeffB MU - 12/26 22:08:47
                    there is no historical record - pickle MU - 12/26 22:47:16
                         Your mind is closed. No use in trying to present evidence - JeffB MU - 12/26 23:07:17
                              you know nothing about my life - pickle MU - 12/26 23:13:27
                                   Historians would laugh in your face. I don't have to know - JeffB MU - 12/26 23:59:43
                                        You're ignorant, Jeff - pickle MU - 12/27 07:44:26
                                   Branch Davidians killed themselves because they believed - TigerMatt STL - 12/26 23:15:26
                                        BANG !!(nm) - raskolnikov MU - 12/27 08:15:22
                    The Bible is NOT considered a good histor source - raskolnikov MU - 12/26 22:17:14
                         The Bible is indeed itself a collection of historical - JeffB MU - 12/26 22:45:43
                              No, No, No, No - raskolnikov MU - 12/27 08:18:44
                              No contemporary historians document the existence of - TigerMatt STL - 12/26 23:04:11
                              no (nm) - pickle MU - 12/26 22:51:59
               Winter solstice is Dec 21, give or take a day. - Alferd Packer MU - 12/26 21:46:46
                    The celebration of the winter solstice lasts/lasted days(nm) - MrBlueSky MU - 12/26 21:51:38
                         The dates still don't match up... - JeffB MU - 12/26 23:04:58
                              lol - pickle MU - 12/26 23:16:59
                         Earliest observance was Jan 6---Epiphany. - Alferd Packer MU - 12/26 22:36:15
                    It wasn't a one day sale back in ancient times, it was a - raskolnikov MU - 12/26 21:50:24
                         I know you want desperately for Xmas to be - Alferd Packer MU - 12/26 22:49:03
                              No sir. Christmas is a Christian holiday - raskolnikov MU - 12/27 10:47:15
                              Early Christians didn't. It was adopted centuries later to - TigerMatt STL - 12/26 23:20:52
     Wrong board - FootballRefugee MU - 12/26 21:11:35
          Right, b/c religion plays no role in US politics, uh huh(nm) - raskolnikov MU - 12/26 21:13:13
               your post had nothing to do with politics (nm) - pickle MU - 12/26 22:56:06
               RE: Right, b/c religion plays no role in US politics, uh huh(nm) - RNcaud MU - 12/26 21:14:24
                    So what? - raskolnikov MU - 12/26 21:21:08
     Nobody gives a **** about another one of your look - hefeweizen MU - 12/26 21:09:10
          So angry all the time - MrBlueSky MU - 12/26 21:11:17
               I'm not angry at all. He is a self absorbed bore and - hefeweizen MU - 12/26 21:19:35
                    You seem to care - MrBlueSky MU - 12/26 21:44:04
                         I call out his dishonest bs. His motive was self centered - hefeweizen MU - 12/26 21:47:21
                              That is a perfect characterization!(nm) - Alferd Packer MU - 12/26 22:57:34
                              Wasn't his question - MrBlueSky MU - 12/26 21:55:42
                                   Actually, it was his question - FootballRefugee MU - 12/26 22:40:31
                                        Lol - MrBlueSky MU - 12/26 22:44:21
                              Do you think Winter Break has replaced focus of xmass - raskolnikov MU - 12/26 21:52:22
                                   That's not all. Your motive became quite clear above, as - hefeweizen MU - 12/26 21:56:07
                                        Well then, no talking you off the ledge then - - raskolnikov MU - 12/26 22:00:41
                                             "widely known in any educated population" please do - hefeweizen MU - 12/26 22:04:16
                    Trust me on this boy - raskolnikov MU - 12/26 21:26:36
                         Your reply confirms my point exactly. Lol(nm) - hefeweizen MU - 12/26 21:28:30
                              Try reading past the subject line rather than getting all - raskolnikov MU - 12/26 21:35:17
                                   You bore me because you are a dishonest pos partisan - hefeweizen MU - 12/26 21:45:05
                                        No - raskolnikov MU - 12/26 21:53:50
                                             Sure you did. Your responses above confirmed your motive. - hefeweizen MU - 12/26 21:59:03
                                                  No talking you off the ledge(nm) - raskolnikov MU - 12/26 22:01:12
                                        Reinoiny indeed - JG MU - 12/26 21:50:36
                                        Dip-weed - my comment was on how TODAY's Western - raskolnikov MU - 12/26 21:48:56
                                             Lol. Please keep proving me right. Your motive was obvious. - hefeweizen MU - 12/26 22:02:45
               RE: So angry all the time - RNcaud MU - 12/26 21:15:12
          You sure seem emotionally engaged(nm) - raskolnikov MU - 12/26 21:10:42
     Don't leave out Mo... - MUTGR MU - 12/26 21:01:49
          That argument that God could not have a son, let alone one - raskolnikov MU - 12/26 21:07:11
               thousands - MizzouTigerz MU - 12/26 21:19:26
                    "thousands" what?(nm) - raskolnikov MU - 12/26 21:22:12
                         by thousands of years. - MizzouTigerz MU - 12/26 22:11:53
                              RE: by thousands of years. - raskolnikov MU - 12/26 22:28:36
                                   RE: by thousands of years. - MizzouTigerz MU - 12/26 22:33:32
                                        Meaning WHAT ? (nm) - raskolnikov MU - 12/27 08:19:52




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