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He was one of the first to identify what a great fit

Posted on: November 1, 2018 at 09:39:44 CT
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Groce would be as a head coach and demonstrate why his success at prior stops would translate to the Illini. And he knows how good Underwood was as a hire, despite 11th place being his only conference finish to date.
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Moving On - longtimereader MU - 10/31 22:18:30
     I thought the goal or purpose - ASecondChance MU - 11/1 09:01:05
     Looking forward to seeing Mark play, sounds like he - FIJItiger MU - 11/1 08:34:11
          TJ's scouting report below isn't encouraging.... - GapDaddy MU - 11/1 09:01:57
               Does TJ have a good history of evaluating BBall talent? - Momaninil MU - 11/1 09:37:47
                    So his ORTG is a lie? - tjwheeler UI - 11/1 10:31:44
                         Here is a stat. Illinois was 10-8 when Smith started. They - Lt. J. Dangle MU - 11/1 21:57:16
                         Science is a liar, sometimes. - kcnorthside KC - 11/1 10:49:15
                              So that ORTG was made up? - tjwheeler UI - 11/1 10:50:31
                                   Kim English improved his ORtg almost 30 points between his - tgr MU - 11/1 10:55:26
                                        Again, I agree MS will improve his 89.6 - tjwheeler UI - 11/1 10:56:26
                                   Science, you see, - kcnorthside KC - 11/1 10:53:52
                                        So, what MS stats from last year didn't accurately - tjwheeler UI - 11/1 10:55:22
                                             I'm just saying - kcnorthside KC - 11/1 16:22:46
                                   True he wasn’t good last season - wu-tangtiger MU - 11/1 10:52:41
                                        No one, including me, is saying he'll stay at that level. - tjwheeler UI - 11/1 10:53:42
                                             Mental has a huge impact on the physical results - wu-tangtiger MU - 11/1 10:59:17
                                                  Oh, so if a guy just fixes the mental side then - tjwheeler UI - 11/1 11:03:13
                                                       He doesn’t need all of those things - wu-tangtiger MU - 11/1 11:06:19
                                                            So 11th worst in P5 over 18 starts was a loss of confidence? - tjwheeler UI - 11/1 11:09:16
                                                                 Frankie Hughes had a 82.5 ORTG his freshman season - wu-tangtiger MU - 11/1 11:22:24
                                                                      And he transferred down to Duquesne. - tjwheeler UI - 11/1 11:29:39
                                                                           Saying it’s mental doesn’t put any blame on BU - wu-tangtiger MU - 11/1 11:38:39
                                                                                RE: Saying it’s mental doesn’t put any blame on BU - tjwheeler UI - 11/1 11:42:49
                                                                                     SO Mark Smith's mom and dad - ASecondChance MU - 11/1 11:51:48
                                                                                          Where in my previous post did I say that? - tjwheeler UI - 11/1 11:59:56
                                             It could have very well been mostly mental. It could have - tgr MU - 11/1 10:57:40
                         I value your opinion. Who would you say is better? - GapDaddy MU - 11/1 10:33:15
                              Who was better last year? - tjwheeler UI - 11/1 10:37:30
                                   Thanks. Who would you say has the higher ceiling? - GapDaddy MU - 11/1 10:57:55
                                        No idea about Brooks Ford. - tjwheeler UI - 11/1 11:04:54
                    I think it's probably sour grapes from him in hoping that he - StaleyTiger MU - 11/1 09:43:58
                         His freshman season is pretty comparable to Denmon's - FIJItiger MU - 11/1 09:51:23
                              Not true. Denmon's ORTG was 105.3; MS's 89.6 (nm) - tjwheeler UI - 11/1 10:36:10
                                   it doesn’t take much to watch games and see - wu-tangtiger MU - 11/1 10:51:27
                                        We were talking about his performance last year and not - tjwheeler UI - 11/1 10:54:58
                                             It was mostly mental (nm) - wu-tangtiger MU - 11/1 11:00:39
                                                  You are entitled to your opinion - tjwheeler UI - 11/1 11:05:44
                                                       There’s no stats that can prove or disprove - wu-tangtiger MU - 11/1 11:08:10
                                                            I'm truly amazed at your ability to ignore all stats - tjwheeler UI - 11/1 11:10:04
                    I equate certainty with aptitude. - GapDaddy MU - 11/1 09:42:07
                    He was one of the first to identify what a great fit - FIJItiger MU - 11/1 09:39:44
                         I'm certainly wrong a lot. Just like you... - tjwheeler UI - 11/1 10:50:49
                         OK so we can scratch off BB coaching talent evaluation(nm) - Momaninil MU - 11/1 09:42:30
                              Its easy to be negatively defensive - FIJItiger MU - 11/1 09:45:17
               He is kind of a mix between - FIJItiger MU - 11/1 09:14:01
     People's aggravation is 100% wrapped around the fact - alwaysright MU - 11/1 07:30:12
          It seems to me Evansville thinks more of Dru as a player - alstl MU - 11/1 08:05:37
               As far as in relation to the quality of the rest of the - alwaysright MU - 11/1 18:59:19
               We don't play Evansville. FYI(nm) - Mizzmi27 MU - 11/1 08:36:15
               I've read either here or PowerMizzou that Dru would be the - tgr MU - 11/1 08:33:35
                    Illinois didn't give Mark very many minutes - that's why - alstl MU - 11/1 10:52:43
                         He started 18 games - tjwheeler UI - 11/1 11:21:31
                         Mark played almost 20 minutes per game - wu-tangtiger MU - 11/1 10:55:29
                              19 minutes and 5 points a game - that's why they didn't mind - alstl MU - 11/1 12:11:07
                                   Its more because of recruiting - wu-tangtiger MU - 11/1 12:19:34
               RE: It seems to me Evansville thinks more of Dru as a player - tjwheeler UI - 11/1 08:18:02
          Not making players sit a year will reduce transfers - wu-tangtiger MU - 11/1 07:39:33
               Eliminate double transfers and escalate first time - alwaysright MU - 11/1 07:47:17
               how will not sitting reduce transfers?(nm) - SuperTone MU - 11/1 07:46:03
                    eliminates most grad transfers - wu-tangtiger MU - 11/1 08:03:53
     I could see a big improvement - wu-tangtiger MU - 10/31 22:57:17
          Disagree - tjwheeler UI - 11/1 06:50:38
               RE: Disagree - GeorgiaTiger76 MU - 11/1 10:36:39
                    Who the hell is writing Illini? LOL(nm) - tjwheeler UI - 11/1 10:38:48
                         It is a website dedicated to discussion of Illini sports. - GeorgiaTiger76 MU - 11/1 10:40:58
                              Obviously, doesn't mean it's credible. - tjwheeler UI - 11/1 10:43:32
               One fundamental difference will be - FIJItiger MU - 11/1 09:35:01
                    Struggling is natural. - tjwheeler UI - 11/1 10:20:58
                         Agreed. I don't know how Underwood did so poorly - kcnorthside KC - 11/1 10:23:34
                              I do think Underwood failed in giving MS so many - tjwheeler UI - 11/1 10:24:35
                                   Could be. Well I'm cautiously optimistic that Cuonzo can - kcnorthside KC - 11/1 10:28:58
                                        LOL. MS should improve. - tjwheeler UI - 11/1 10:38:12
                                             You continue to say you (tjwheeler - ASecondChance MU - 11/1 12:06:57
                                                  What post are you responding to? - tjwheeler UI - 11/1 12:27:50
               Of course - GoMizzouTigers MU - 11/1 09:26:20
                    I'm quite happy. Thanks(nm) - tjwheeler UI - 11/1 10:22:49
               He sounds like an below average athlete and player... - GapDaddy MU - 11/1 08:50:55
                    Because he had a great SR year in HS and - tjwheeler UI - 11/1 10:22:33
                         Is that why Michigan, Ohio State and Kentucky offered? - GapDaddy MU - 11/1 10:28:27
                              Yes. So, you do realize that players who are - tjwheeler UI - 11/1 10:39:42
                    Here are a couple of quotes from a Illini-based scouting - GeorgiaTiger76 MU - 11/1 08:53:55
               A change of scenery a lot of times does a ton of good - tgr MU - 11/1 08:47:39
                    I agree. I want him to do well. - tjwheeler UI - 11/1 10:23:28
                         RE: I agree. I want him to do well. - GeorgiaTiger76 MU - 11/1 10:36:21
                              RE: I agree. I want him to do well. - tjwheeler UI - 11/1 10:40:13
                                   Here's your own coach talking about him: - GeorgiaTiger76 MU - 11/1 10:44:15
                                        Coachspeak. - tjwheeler UI - 11/1 10:46:46
                                             But you said it was because of physical limitations. - GeorgiaTiger76 MU - 11/1 10:47:55
                                                  You're not very logical here. - tjwheeler UI - 11/1 10:52:53
                                                       So Underwood can't identify athleticism effectively? - GeorgiaTiger76 MU - 11/1 10:58:11
                                                            That's both a flawed generalization and a tangent. - tjwheeler UI - 11/1 11:07:41
                    I concur I don't think any University of Illinois - ASecondChance MU - 11/1 08:51:49
                         I don't think that is correct. - tjwheeler UI - 11/1 11:26:40
                              You can continue to to try to blame - ASecondChance MU - 11/1 12:21:58
                                   I am not blaming his parents for MS going to Illinois. - tjwheeler UI - 11/1 12:44:28
                    Those are all connected - wu-tangtiger MU - 11/1 08:51:37
               GO AWAY TROLL, your fan base hates Missouri * - RNcaud MU - 11/1 08:39:35
               No point in beating a dead horse, we'll find out soon enough - Yosa125 TAMU - 11/1 07:43:29
                    no, just pointing out what he did last year. - tjwheeler UI - 11/1 07:52:22
                         You have no idea if it was mental, physical, etc.(nm) - GeorgiaTiger76 MU - 11/1 08:16:27
                              Yeah, an average handle, no go to offensive moves - tjwheeler UI - 11/1 08:19:59
                                   lol - GeorgiaTiger76 MU - 11/1 08:33:43
                                        Of course. He’s a year older. - tjwheeler UI - 11/1 16:49:55
                         no one said it was just mental - wu-tangtiger MU - 11/1 08:07:32
                              “Most of it seemed to be mental” - tjwheeler UI - 11/1 08:18:52
                                   True and I stand by that opinion - wu-tangtiger MU - 11/1 08:29:40
                                        You stand by the position you stated and then denied - tjwheeler UI - 11/1 10:25:17
                                             Mostly mental is not all mental - wu-tangtiger MU - 11/1 11:03:56
                                                  Frankie Hughes had a 82.5 ORTG in 578 minutes and - tjwheeler UI - 11/1 11:14:01
                                                       Mark will start at Mizzou - wu-tangtiger MU - 11/1 12:21:14
                                                            Starting over whom? - tjwheeler UI - 11/1 12:28:18
                                                                 A bunch of other players with similar questions - wu-tangtiger MU - 11/1 12:32:34
                                                                      Those 5 look likely. - tjwheeler UI - 11/1 12:37:16
                                                                           Who knows until we see them - wu-tangtiger MU - 11/1 12:54:35
               I think you are an Illinois fan - ASecondChance MU - 11/1 07:33:02
                    Sure. - tjwheeler UI - 11/1 07:49:51
                         Illinois better hope that Mark Smith - ChuckM MU - 11/1 09:18:50
                              Why? I hope he does. - tjwheeler UI - 11/1 10:26:25
                         Like lontimereader stated it's time to "move on" - ASecondChance MU - 11/1 08:42:01
                              I like the guy and want him to do well. - tjwheeler UI - 11/1 10:29:21
                                   Stop It..................you dont like Mark Smith - ASecondChance MU - 11/1 12:29:03
                                        I do like him personally. - tjwheeler UI - 11/1 12:47:57
               can he run off screens and shoot open jumpers?(nm) - SuperTone MU - 11/1 07:19:43
                    Which is what EVERY player should be looking to do. - GA Tiger MU - 11/1 07:53:06
                    I think you’re onto something. - tjwheeler UI - 11/1 07:50:52
          Having a competent coach will help too. Cuonzo's offensive - GeorgiaTiger76 MU - 11/1 06:45:13
               So which coach has the history of successful offenses? - tjwheeler UI - 11/1 06:53:02
                    Oops - my first reply didn't address your question very well - GeorgiaTiger76 MU - 11/1 08:45:01
                         LOL...way to reduce it to a sample size of 1 year. - tjwheeler UI - 11/1 11:14:43
                    Sure it is. - GeorgiaTiger76 MU - 11/1 08:13:02
                    Take away his Stephen f Austin years where he was beating - lqf2b8 MU - 11/1 07:17:32
                         Take away those years? LOL. - tjwheeler UI - 11/1 07:54:08
                              Yes ignore his mid major success and you have a - kcnorthside KC - 11/1 10:02:18
                                   Below average huh? - tjwheeler UI - 11/1 10:30:46
                                        Absolute crap? - GeorgiaTiger76 MU - 11/1 10:39:27
                                             Which ignores - tjwheeler UI - 11/1 10:42:10
                                                  You're right - Cuonzo did a far better job at attracting - GeorgiaTiger76 MU - 11/1 10:46:18
                                                       If only the Porters had been from Champaign-Urbana. - tjwheeler UI - 11/1 10:47:54
                         He had the #1 offense according to KenPom - wu-tangtiger MU - 11/1 07:35:39
                              he blew out **** teams and lost to power 5 teams - lqf2b8 MU - 11/1 09:12:51
                    It’s about fit in the system - wu-tangtiger MU - 11/1 07:15:38
                         Nope. - GeorgiaTiger76 MU - 11/1 08:15:28
                              Puryear’s 3-point shooting dropped from - wu-tangtiger MU - 11/1 08:27:43
                                   That was Jontay's role more than Puryear's. - GeorgiaTiger76 MU - 11/1 08:33:20
                                        3% increase in FG% isn’t significant - wu-tangtiger MU - 11/1 08:45:27
                                             We can agree to disagree. - GeorgiaTiger76 MU - 11/1 08:49:26




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