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I thought the goal or purpose

Posted on: November 1, 2018 at 09:01:05 CT

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for Mark Smith at Illinois was to use him in the role like Deron Williams and have Trent Frazier play more of a Dee Brown role and let them grow together........

After the border war game it seems like Mark Smith was taken out of the equation.....I believe Brad Underwood was never a Mark Smith fan but felt he need to recruit/land him because he won "Mr. Basketball" I never saw Ok. State on Mark's list of schools???????

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Moving On - longtimereader MU - 10/31 22:18:30

I thought the goal or purpose - ASecondChance MU - 11/1 09:01:05

Looking forward to seeing Mark play, sounds like he - FIJItiger MU

- 11/1 08:34:11

TJ's scouting report below isn't encouraging.... - GapDaddy MU - 11/1 09:01:57

Does TJ have a good history of evaluating BBall talent? - Momaninil MU - 11/1 09:37:47

So his ORTG is a lie? - tjwheeler UI - 11/1 10:31:44

Here is a stat. Illinois was 10-8 when Smith started. They - Lt. J. Dangle MU - 11/1 21:57:16

Science is a liar, sometimes. - kcnorthside KC - 11/1 10:49:15

So that ORTG was made up? - tjwheeler UI - 11/1 10:50:31

Kim English improved his ORtg almost 30 points between his - tgr MU

- 11/1 10:55:26

Again, I agree MS will improve his 89.6 - tjwheeler UI - 11/1 10:56:26

Science, you see, - kcnorthside KC - 11/1 10:53:52

So, what MS stats from last year didn't accurately - tjwheeler UI - 11/1 10:55:22

I'm just saying - kcnorthside KC - 11/1 16:22:46

True he wasn’t good last season - wu-tangtiger MU - 11/1 10:52:41

No one, including me, is saying he'll stay at that level. - tjwheeler UI - 11/1 10:53:42

Mental has a huge impact on the physical results - wu-tangtiger MU - 11/1 10:59:17

Oh, so if a guy just fixes the mental side then - tjwheeler UI - 11/1 11:03:13

He doesn’t need all of those things - wu-tangtiger MU - 11/1 11:06:19

So 11th worst in P5 over 18 starts was a loss of confidence? - tjwheeler UI - 11/1 11:09:16

Frankie Hughes had a 82.5 ORTG his freshman season - wu-tangtiger MU - 11/1 11:22:24

And he transferred down to Duquesne. - tjwheeler UI - 11/1 11:29:39

Saying it’s mental doesn’t put any blame on BU - wu-tangtiger MU - 11/1 11:38:39

RE: Saying it’s mental doesn’t put any blame on BU - tjwheeler UI - 11/1 11:42:49

SO Mark Smith's mom and dad - ASecondChance MU - 11/1 11:51:48

Where in my previous post did I say that? - tjwheeler UI - 11/1 11:59:56

It could have very well been mostly mental. It could have - tgr MU

- 11/1 10:57:40

I value your opinion. Who would you say is better? - GapDaddy MU - 11/1 10:33:15

Who was better last year? - tjwheeler UI - 11/1 10:37:30

Thanks. Who would you say has the higher ceiling? - GapDaddy MU - 11/1 10:57:55

No idea about Brooks Ford. - tjwheeler UI - 11/1 11:04:54

I think it's probably sour grapes from him in hoping that he - StaleyTiger MU - 11/1 09:43:58

His freshman season is pretty comparable to Denmon's - FIJItiger MU

- 11/1 09:51:23

Not true. Denmon's ORTG was 105.3; MS's 89.6 (nm) - tjwheeler UI - 11/1 10:36:10

it doesn’t take much to watch games and see - wu-tangtiger MU - 11/1 10:51:27

We were talking about his performance last year and not - tjwheeler UI - 11/1 10:54:58

It was mostly mental (nm) - wu-tangtiger MU - 11/1 11:00:39

You are entitled to your opinion - tjwheeler UI - 11/1 11:05:44

There’s no stats that can prove or disprove - wu-tangtiger MU - 11/1 11:08:10

I'm truly amazed at your ability to ignore all stats - tjwheeler UI - 11/1 11:10:04

I equate certainty with aptitude. - GapDaddy MU - 11/1 09:42:07

He was one of the first to identify what a great fit - FIJItiger MU

- 11/1 09:39:44

I'm certainly wrong a lot. Just like you... - tjwheeler UI - 11/1 10:50:49

OK so we can scratch off BB coaching talent evaluation(nm) - Momaninil MU - 11/1 09:42:30

Its easy to be negatively defensive - FIJItiger MU

- 11/1 09:45:17

He is kind of a mix between - FIJItiger MU

- 11/1 09:14:01

People's aggravation is 100% wrapped around the fact - alwaysright MU - 11/1 07:30:12

It seems to me Evansville thinks more of Dru as a player - alstl MU - 11/1 08:05:37

As far as in relation to the quality of the rest of the - alwaysright MU - 11/1 18:59:19

We don't play Evansville. FYI(nm) - Mizzmi27 MU - 11/1 08:36:15

I've read either here or PowerMizzou that Dru would be the - tgr MU

- 11/1 08:33:35

Illinois didn't give Mark very many minutes - that's why - alstl MU - 11/1 10:52:43

He started 18 games - tjwheeler UI - 11/1 11:21:31

Mark played almost 20 minutes per game - wu-tangtiger MU - 11/1 10:55:29

19 minutes and 5 points a game - that's why they didn't mind - alstl MU - 11/1 12:11:07

Its more because of recruiting - wu-tangtiger MU - 11/1 12:19:34

RE: It seems to me Evansville thinks more of Dru as a player - tjwheeler UI - 11/1 08:18:02

Not making players sit a year will reduce transfers - wu-tangtiger MU - 11/1 07:39:33

Eliminate double transfers and escalate first time - alwaysright MU - 11/1 07:47:17

how will not sitting reduce transfers?(nm) - SuperTone MU

- 11/1 07:46:03

eliminates most grad transfers - wu-tangtiger MU - 11/1 08:03:53

I could see a big improvement - wu-tangtiger MU - 10/31 22:57:17

Disagree - tjwheeler UI - 11/1 06:50:38

RE: Disagree - GeorgiaTiger76 MU - 11/1 10:36:39

Who the hell is writing Illini? LOL(nm) - tjwheeler UI - 11/1 10:38:48

It is a website dedicated to discussion of Illini sports. - GeorgiaTiger76 MU - 11/1 10:40:58

Obviously, doesn't mean it's credible. - tjwheeler UI - 11/1 10:43:32

One fundamental difference will be - FIJItiger MU

- 11/1 09:35:01

Struggling is natural. - tjwheeler UI - 11/1 10:20:58

Agreed. I don't know how Underwood did so poorly - kcnorthside KC - 11/1 10:23:34

I do think Underwood failed in giving MS so many - tjwheeler UI - 11/1 10:24:35

Could be. Well I'm cautiously optimistic that Cuonzo can - kcnorthside KC - 11/1 10:28:58

LOL. MS should improve. - tjwheeler UI - 11/1 10:38:12

You continue to say you (tjwheeler - ASecondChance MU - 11/1 12:06:57

What post are you responding to? - tjwheeler UI - 11/1 12:27:50

Of course - GoMizzouTigers MU - 11/1 09:26:20

I'm quite happy. Thanks(nm) - tjwheeler UI - 11/1 10:22:49

He sounds like an below average athlete and player... - GapDaddy MU - 11/1 08:50:55

Because he had a great SR year in HS and - tjwheeler UI - 11/1 10:22:33

Is that why Michigan, Ohio State and Kentucky offered? - GapDaddy MU - 11/1 10:28:27

Yes. So, you do realize that players who are - tjwheeler UI - 11/1 10:39:42

Here are a couple of quotes from a Illini-based scouting - GeorgiaTiger76 MU - 11/1 08:53:55

A change of scenery a lot of times does a ton of good - tgr MU

- 11/1 08:47:39

I agree. I want him to do well. - tjwheeler UI - 11/1 10:23:28

RE: I agree. I want him to do well. - GeorgiaTiger76 MU - 11/1 10:36:21

RE: I agree. I want him to do well. - tjwheeler UI - 11/1 10:40:13

Here's your own coach talking about him: - GeorgiaTiger76 MU - 11/1 10:44:15

Coachspeak. - tjwheeler UI - 11/1 10:46:46

But you said it was because of physical limitations. - GeorgiaTiger76 MU - 11/1 10:47:55

You're not very logical here. - tjwheeler UI - 11/1 10:52:53

So Underwood can't identify athleticism effectively? - GeorgiaTiger76 MU - 11/1 10:58:11

That's both a flawed generalization and a tangent. - tjwheeler UI - 11/1 11:07:41

I concur I don't think any University of Illinois - ASecondChance MU - 11/1 08:51:49

I don't think that is correct. - tjwheeler UI - 11/1 11:26:40

You can continue to to try to blame - ASecondChance MU - 11/1 12:21:58

I am not blaming his parents for MS going to Illinois. - tjwheeler UI - 11/1 12:44:28

Those are all connected - wu-tangtiger MU - 11/1 08:51:37

GO AWAY TROLL, your fan base hates Missouri * - RNcaud MU - 11/1 08:39:35

No point in beating a dead horse, we'll find out soon enough - Yosa125 TAMU - 11/1 07:43:29

no, just pointing out what he did last year. - tjwheeler UI - 11/1 07:52:22

You have no idea if it was mental, physical, etc.(nm) - GeorgiaTiger76 MU - 11/1 08:16:27

Yeah, an average handle, no go to offensive moves - tjwheeler UI - 11/1 08:19:59

lol - GeorgiaTiger76 MU - 11/1 08:33:43

Of course. He’s a year older. - tjwheeler UI - 11/1 16:49:55

no one said it was just mental - wu-tangtiger MU - 11/1 08:07:32

“Most of it seemed to be mental” - tjwheeler UI - 11/1 08:18:52

True and I stand by that opinion - wu-tangtiger MU - 11/1 08:29:40

You stand by the position you stated and then denied - tjwheeler UI - 11/1 10:25:17

Mostly mental is not all mental - wu-tangtiger MU - 11/1 11:03:56

Frankie Hughes had a 82.5 ORTG in 578 minutes and - tjwheeler UI - 11/1 11:14:01

Mark will start at Mizzou - wu-tangtiger MU - 11/1 12:21:14

Starting over whom? - tjwheeler UI - 11/1 12:28:18

A bunch of other players with similar questions - wu-tangtiger MU - 11/1 12:32:34

Those 5 look likely. - tjwheeler UI - 11/1 12:37:16

Who knows until we see them - wu-tangtiger MU - 11/1 12:54:35

I think you are an Illinois fan - ASecondChance MU - 11/1 07:33:02

Sure. - tjwheeler UI - 11/1 07:49:51

Illinois better hope that Mark Smith - ChuckM MU - 11/1 09:18:50

Why? I hope he does. - tjwheeler UI - 11/1 10:26:25

Like lontimereader stated it's time to "move on" - ASecondChance MU - 11/1 08:42:01

I like the guy and want him to do well. - tjwheeler UI - 11/1 10:29:21

Stop It..................you dont like Mark Smith - ASecondChance MU - 11/1 12:29:03

I do like him personally. - tjwheeler UI - 11/1 12:47:57

can he run off screens and shoot open jumpers?(nm) - SuperTone MU

- 11/1 07:19:43

Which is what EVERY player should be looking to do. - GA Tiger MU - 11/1 07:53:06

I think you’re onto something. - tjwheeler UI - 11/1 07:50:52

Having a competent coach will help too. Cuonzo's offensive - GeorgiaTiger76 MU - 11/1 06:45:13

So which coach has the history of successful offenses? - tjwheeler UI - 11/1 06:53:02

Oops - my first reply didn't address your question very well - GeorgiaTiger76 MU - 11/1 08:45:01

LOL...way to reduce it to a sample size of 1 year. - tjwheeler UI - 11/1 11:14:43

Sure it is. - GeorgiaTiger76 MU - 11/1 08:13:02

Take away his Stephen f Austin years where he was beating - lqf2b8 MU

- 11/1 07:17:32

Take away those years? LOL. - tjwheeler UI - 11/1 07:54:08

Yes ignore his mid major success and you have a - kcnorthside KC - 11/1 10:02:18

Below average huh? - tjwheeler UI - 11/1 10:30:46

Absolute crap? - GeorgiaTiger76 MU - 11/1 10:39:27

Which ignores - tjwheeler UI - 11/1 10:42:10

You're right - Cuonzo did a far better job at attracting - GeorgiaTiger76 MU - 11/1 10:46:18

If only the Porters had been from Champaign-Urbana. - tjwheeler UI - 11/1 10:47:54

He had the #1 offense according to KenPom - wu-tangtiger MU - 11/1 07:35:39

he blew out **** teams and lost to power 5 teams - lqf2b8 MU

- 11/1 09:12:51

It’s about fit in the system - wu-tangtiger MU - 11/1 07:15:38

Nope. - GeorgiaTiger76 MU - 11/1 08:15:28

Puryear’s 3-point shooting dropped from - wu-tangtiger MU - 11/1 08:27:43

That was Jontay's role more than Puryear's. - GeorgiaTiger76 MU - 11/1 08:33:20

3% increase in FG% isn’t significant - wu-tangtiger MU - 11/1 08:45:27

We can agree to disagree. - GeorgiaTiger76 MU - 11/1 08:49:26

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