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Lack of talent is not really our issue

Posted on: December 23, 2023 at 10:05:32 CT
FIJItiger MU
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You can maximize talent or minimize it, and we currently fall towards the latter and I certainly agree with the observation below we are treating games like a practice/scrimmage. But there is sufficient talent on this roster to do lots of good things.

Problems currently in my opinion are
1. Still just a complete absence of defining roles or rotations. Beyond East, Honor, Carter nobody else remotely has a defined role or knows what to expect or what is expected of them game to game. And Honor/Carter both have roles that they are not well suited for so it’s actually to their detriment.

2. So little ball movement. East lead the team with 2 assists last night and he is a ball dominant guard that seeks his own shot primarily. Everyone over dribbles and there is so much isolation. Honor was rightly praised last year for his assist/turnover ratio but his current role has completely negates that type of contribution. It was such a struggle and so much effort for each MU basket and then scoring for our opponents comes so easily.

3. Inability do control dribble penetration. I’m not sure I recall a team so easy to break down and get in constant scramble mode defensively. Opponents go right by our defenders and cause constant rotations. Some of that is our trapping up top but even when we play straight up players are just constantly penetrating with ease and putting backside defenders in late rotations.

4. Taking the 3s opponents want us to take. There has to be some discipline to pass those shots up and work for something better because there are so many wasted possessions and we don’t make opponents work hard defensively or rarely get to the line.

5. The one area I would agree in terms of lacking talent is an inability to attack the rim. We don’t have any players who can penetrate off the dribble and get to the rim. Not necessarily dunking but by going aggressively towards the rim in a manner that defenses has to collapse and foul to try and prevent against. Coupled with our lack of ball movement/willingness to take 3s it makes us very stagnant in general for long stretches.

Edited by FIJItiger at 10:08:49 on 12/23/23
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Lack of talent is not really our issue - FIJItiger MU - 12/23 10:05:32
     I have said this a couple times this year - longtimereader MU - 12/23 14:38:39
     Outside of East, who would be in Illinois’ rotation? - hou4mu MU - 12/23 11:38:38
          Pretty much everyone. We probably have 12 players that - FIJItiger MU - 12/23 11:41:07
               LOL - JDL UI - 12/23 15:16:42
                    Yep(nm) - DevilsAdvocate KC - 12/23 16:12:25
               RE: Pretty much everyone. We probably have 12 players that - KC rules MU - 12/23 12:06:51
               After last night’s game, that’s an amazingly stupid - hou4mu MU - 12/23 12:01:02
                    No Kobe this year. Thats why all the returners looked better - thytiger MU - 12/23 12:04:32
                         yep, Kobe was a difference maker (nm) - zounami MU - 12/23 12:18:36
                              And Hodge - KC rules MU - 12/23 12:46:07
     Looks pretty obvious we aren't very talented this year - Diamond Dave MU - 12/23 11:34:31
          Disagree. Plenty talented. Not elite talented but talent - FIJItiger MU - 12/23 11:37:59
               Agree. This team has talent. (nm) - wu-tangtiger MU - 12/23 13:17:16
                    so the problem is coaching? (nm) - zounami MU - 12/23 15:58:27
                         Injuries are a problem. So is consistency - wu-tangtiger MU - 12/23 22:32:11
     $25M buyout is our issue... - zounami MU - 12/23 11:06:02
          Have you seen our recruiting class next year? All you - thytiger MU - 12/23 12:06:45
               That does not fit his agenda. (nm) - go tigers MU - 12/23 14:10:40
               4* high school recruits... how many of them will have an - zounami MU - 12/23 12:19:55
                    The high 4 stars need to be regulars - wu-tangtiger MU - 12/23 22:33:57
          His buyout is not relevant or an issue at all - FIJItiger MU - 12/23 11:36:39
          No it is not. There is absolutely zero chance that he - alwaysright MU - 12/23 11:13:12
               oh, does the buyout drop to $0 in 2 years? (nm) - zounami MU - 12/23 11:35:45
          And we extended him after 1 yr and 1 NCAA win. - LamarFrazier MU - 12/23 11:12:08
               He has the #1 recruiting class coming in to add to the frosh - tigertix MU - 12/23 11:19:08
                    Where do we have the #1 recruiting class?? - shorty MU - 12/23 12:39:42
                    He doesn't and you still have to coach - LamarFrazier MU - 12/23 12:38:24
                    incoming 5* recruits... Duke: 4, Kentucky: 3, Missouri: 0... - zounami MU - 12/23 12:02:19
                    Must be a surprise to Duke (four 5 stars) - Lovely Rita UW - 12/23 11:52:50
                         That nitpick does nothing to invalidate the point - hou4mu MU - 12/23 12:05:55
                              It does, actually. (1) We don't have the #1 class. Duke does - zounami MU - 12/23 12:17:54
                                   Give it some time - KC rules MU - 12/23 12:49:48
                    Exactly and to complain about a second year let down - KC rules MU - 12/23 11:49:34
               "dumb" is an understatement (nm) - zounami MU - 12/23 11:18:31
     I think 2,3, 4 and 5 are about limited talent and - LamarFrazier MU - 12/23 10:52:16
          Not having Grill is more of an issue than we think, he was - tigertix MU - 12/23 11:13:36
               I think he's vastly overrated and there's a reason ISU - LamarFrazier MU - 12/23 12:26:31
     agree. they play an NBA game plan with crappy players and - TigerFan92 STL - 12/23 10:48:46
     The 3 Point shots we take are usually open. - alwaysright MU - 12/23 10:41:38
          It isn't about them being open - TigerFan92 STL - 12/23 10:51:01
               35% as a team is not suck. - alwaysright MU - 12/23 11:04:02
                    Take out East and what is it? - LamarFrazier MU - 12/23 11:11:35
                         93 of 286 - .325 - Ohtiger MU - 12/23 11:52:57
                              Those guys you listed should not have a green light from 3(nm) - LamarFrazier MU - 12/23 12:29:26
                                   Why? Vanover and Carters career shooting percentages have - wu-tangtiger MU - 12/23 23:05:11
                                        Having Vanover hang out at the 3 point line for huge - Ohtiger MU - 12/24 08:38:00
                                             That’s exactly what he was recruited to do - wu-tangtiger MU - 12/24 09:36:37
                                                  Bad assessment. He's horrible at defense, and really bad - Ohtiger MU - 12/24 09:44:45
                                                       If his entire playing history consisted - wu-tangtiger MU - 12/24 14:27:17
                                                            Do not know how much coaching he's getting at Mizzou. - Ohtiger MU - 12/24 15:21:38
                                                                 How many dunks has he missed? - wu-tangtiger MU - 12/24 15:36:59
                                                                      Alot. You must not go to games or watch away ones on TV - Ohtiger MU - 12/24 15:45:23
                                                                           So how many dunks has he missed? - wu-tangtiger MU - 12/24 15:49:07
                                                                                Again, attend some home games and watch some away - Ohtiger MU - 12/24 16:03:27
                                                                                     He’s missed 7 shots from 2 - wu-tangtiger MU - 12/24 16:44:56
                                                                                          Attend the games and you would see (nm) - Ohtiger MU - 12/24 17:02:39
                                                                                               Or just admit that what you are saying isn’t true. - wu-tangtiger MU - 12/24 17:48:35
                                                                                                    It's not. Shut up (nm) - Ohtiger MU - 12/24 20:55:50
                                                                                                         He didn’t miss a 2 point attempt against - wu-tangtiger MU - 12/24 21:20:19
                         RE: Take out East and what is it? - alwaysright MU - 12/23 11:18:37
                              I'm hoping Illinois is just an elite D team and Honor will - LamarFrazier MU - 12/23 12:29:03
                                   He shot better than that last season (nm) - wu-tangtiger MU - 12/24 08:58:49
               True there's a reason they're open(nm) - LamarFrazier MU - 12/23 10:52:42
     Mostly agree with this (nm) - wu-tangtiger MU - 12/23 10:32:04
     If he doesn't figure out how to use a 5 at this level he - alstl MU - 12/23 10:31:56
     RE: Lack of talent is not really our issue - KC rules MU - 12/23 10:31:54
     Disagree - phrejd MU - 12/23 10:26:02
          RE: Disagree - slamduncan KC - 12/23 10:39:29
     Very good analysis. Recruiting aside, it usually - GA Tiger MU - 12/23 10:16:05
     ok thanks "MU basketball can never recover" guy - Columbian Gold MU - 12/23 10:10:25
          You are not in the intended target audience - FIJItiger MU - 12/23 10:15:30




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