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What about someone who didn't threaten force, but talked

Posted on: October 31, 2023 at 16:06:13 CT
JeffB MU
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of the voices in his head telling him to kill people?

Does that give you or others the right to forcibly detain him and put him in a mental institution? Or to forcibly take his weapons? or break into his home or car to take them?
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Hey Ace!!! What law was not enforced? - Spanky KU - 10/31 11:19:27
     What law was not enforced by Dems? - Ace AU - 10/31 12:10:24
          Maine officials were given notice by the Army and family - Spanky KU - 10/31 12:16:40
               That isn't the law, Spanks. Your own cut and paste explains - Ace AU - 10/31 12:17:19
                    It is the law. Maine law-enforcement were given notification - Spanky KU - 10/31 12:20:19
                         you cut and paste summarized the law and said the facts - Ace AU - 10/31 12:27:50
                              The Sheriff and DA are Democrat. They were notified and - Spanky KU - 10/31 12:37:02
                                   the Maine law is triggered when a medical professional - cnk ATL - 10/31 12:45:38
                                        No... it is triggered when there is a complaint made to the - Spanky KU - 10/31 12:48:59
                                             that's not what the statute says(nm) - cnk ATL - 10/31 12:50:03
                                                  Wrong - Spanky KU - 10/31 12:54:58
                                                       but just above that it states... - cnk ATL - 10/31 13:00:47
                                                            The sheriff was given " information that gave rise to the - Spanky KU - 10/31 13:07:04
                                                                 The 3rd paragraph from your article is what prompted my - cnk ATL - 10/31 13:11:01
                                                                      He was taken into protective custody by the Army - Spanky KU - 10/31 13:14:01
                                                                           the Maine law doesn't apply to the Army, does it?(nm) - cnk ATL - 10/31 13:15:42
                                                                                The Sheriff was provided with credible information by the - Spanky KU - 10/31 13:18:33
                                                                                     I don't know if they failed to do their job or not because - cnk ATL - 10/31 13:27:17
                                                                                          and would you agree that the process starts when police - Spanky KU - 10/31 13:34:07
                                                                                               it doesn't really matter what I say the process should be - cnk ATL - 10/31 13:39:47
                                                                                                    It starts when the cops get involved.... - Spanky KU - 10/31 14:22:22
                                                                                                         that's not what the law says though - cnk ATL - 10/31 14:31:49
                                                                                                              What the cops admitted (#2) - Spanky KU - 10/31 15:09:30
                                                                                                              What the cops admitted (#1) - Spanky KU - 10/31 15:05:12
                                                                                                              What the law says: - Spanky KU - 10/31 15:04:30
                                                                                                                   when did Maine law enforcement have him in protective - cnk ATL - 10/31 15:32:47
                                                                                                                        They were supposed to have him in protective custody - Spanky KU - 10/31 15:45:53
                                                                                                    The law, as written, was an acquiescence to gun rights - Ace AU - 10/31 13:45:40
                                                                                                         ok, but that doesn't answer the question of whether - cnk ATL - 10/31 13:51:21
                                                                                                              Also, the treatment facility was in New York, not Maine - Ace AU - 10/31 14:45:32
                                                                                                              i don't have a dog in this fight, but if you step back from - 90Tiger STL - 10/31 14:30:32
                                                                                                                   I'm sure someone somewhere is looking to make - cnk ATL - 10/31 14:35:58
     No one will lose their government job over these failures - tigertix MU - 10/31 11:50:22
     The maine officials were right - El-ahrairah UGA - 10/31 11:49:04
          so in what case would a mentally compromised person - tigerinhogtown STL - 10/31 12:19:58
               "For supporting Trump!" - JG - MIZ45 MU - 10/31 12:36:11
               Never - El-ahrairah UGA - 10/31 12:26:34
                    there is no felon exemption either or age - tigerinhogtown STL - 10/31 12:34:03
          The Maine officials violated Maine law - Spanky KU - 10/31 11:52:49
               A law that violates rights - meatiger MU - 10/31 12:15:07
                    Enforce it or repeal it. Instead, Maine is considering - Spanky KU - 10/31 12:24:50
                         Of course they are - meatiger MU - 10/31 12:27:58
                              Despite the fact that enforcing the existing law would - Spanky KU - 10/31 14:41:55
     you two are good together (nm) - ashtray UF - 10/31 11:28:45
          How do you think Card's situation should have been handled?(nm) - JeffB MU - 10/31 11:30:41
               Shall not be infringed - JayHoaxH8r MU - 10/31 11:37:15
                    That does not answer the question. You expressed your - JeffB MU - 10/31 11:40:33
                         Nothing to the guns - JayHoaxH8r MU - 10/31 11:41:27
                              More transparency on drugs used, their efficacy and dangers - JeffB MU - 10/31 12:26:27
                                   I agree - JayHoaxH8r MU - 10/31 13:11:35
               Pretty sad his family did not do anything about it(nm) - meatiger MU - 10/31 11:34:54
                    They did do something about it. They notified the authoritie - JeffB MU - 10/31 11:39:32
                         prudent to see an exorcist? - kmawv8 MU - 10/31 11:43:46
                              Miss Cleo! - mizzouSECedes STL - 10/31 12:19:27
                              Fortune tellers are conduits for bringing in demons. (nm) - JeffB MU - 10/31 11:46:27
                                   lol (nm) - pickle MU - 10/31 13:17:22
                                   Exorcists are conduits for bringing in - kmawv8 MU - 10/31 12:23:11
                                        That is the logical fallacy of a faulty generalization... at - JeffB MU - 10/31 14:50:37
                                        Is there a vocational school for this? - JayHoaxH8r MU - 10/31 13:13:05
                    His family reported him to the cops (nm) - Spanky KU - 10/31 11:38:57
                         That is not doing anything(nm) - meatiger MU - 10/31 11:39:49
                              You are dumb and don’t understand the English language(nm) - Spanky KU - 10/31 11:53:42
                                   Family should have taken him to the hospital - meatiger MU - 10/31 12:00:13
                                        He was taken to the hospital and kept there for 14 days. - JeffB MU - 10/31 12:03:01
                                             Should be between doctor and family (nm) - meatiger MU - 10/31 12:12:45
                                                  It sounds like the mental health institution & especially - JeffB MU - 10/31 12:17:53
                                                       It is a family issue - meatiger MU - 10/31 12:21:59
                                                            Your paradigm would obviously involve government in our - JeffB MU - 10/31 12:41:26
                                                                 Would not invoke government at all - meatiger MU - 10/31 12:43:55
                                                                      Would you reject the anarchist's non-aggression principle - JeffB MU - 10/31 14:58:31
                                                            That might violate the anarchists' paradigm for society, no? - JeffB MU - 10/31 12:29:54
                                                                 I specifically said private institutions - meatiger MU - 10/31 12:31:28
                                                                 meat isn't an anarchist, bafoon - ashtray UF - 10/31 12:31:07
                                                                      I didn't claim that he was. Just pointing out that his - JeffB MU - 10/31 12:36:40
                                                                           maybe there isn't a solution, Jeff - ashtray UF - 10/31 12:40:28
                                                                                You would apply your paradigm of just letting things happen - JeffB MU - 10/31 12:43:34
                                                                                     you also have an overwhelming urge to create strawmen - ashtray UF - 10/31 12:46:14
                                                                                          No, you are running from a legitimate question. You cannot - JeffB MU - 10/31 15:15:50
                                                                                               it isn't reductio ad absurdum when the line of logic you are - ashtray UF - 10/31 15:22:24
                                                                                                    The question is a legitimate one, why do you refuse to answe - JeffB MU - 10/31 15:26:42
                                                                                                         without exception (nm) - ashtray UF - 10/31 15:30:21
                                                                                                              Ok, thanks. That would mean then that you would say - JeffB MU - 10/31 15:58:01
                                                                                                                   making threats is a use of force (nm) - ashtray UF - 10/31 15:59:13
                                                                                                                        What about someone who didn't threaten force, but talked - JeffB MU - 10/31 16:06:13
                                                                                          it's a learned reflex, I see it here all day long (nm) - 90Tiger STL - 10/31 13:52:36
                                                                           Since we are not believers in a single central planning - meatiger MU - 10/31 12:40:07
                                                                                It looks to me like you have things backwards here. - JeffB MU - 10/31 15:38:31
                              What should his family have done? (nm) - JeffB MU - 10/31 11:43:22
               hindsight is 20/20 - ashtray UF - 10/31 11:34:22
                    You are dumb - Spanky KU - 10/31 11:40:51
                         why would anyone believe the Army? (nm) - ashtray UF - 10/31 11:41:29
                              You are dumb - Spanky KU - 10/31 11:57:57
                                   you're the one who believes the Army, stunad (nm) - ashtray UF - 10/31 12:13:24
                                        The Sheriff admits he was notified by the Army, dumb@$$(nm) - Spanky KU - 10/31 12:40:08
                                             oh, another government flunkee - ashtray UF - 10/31 12:41:34
                                                  Democrat elected official(nm) - Spanky KU - 10/31 13:36:38
                                                       so it's even worse that's who you put your trust in (nm) - ashtray UF - 10/31 14:31:02
                    That still leaves the critical question... How should such - JeffB MU - 10/31 11:37:10
                         Until private businesses are willing to foot the bill for - hefeweizen MU - 10/31 11:43:11
                              No one should be restricted from buying, possessing, flaunti - JeffB MU - 10/31 11:45:50
                                   Businesses that do not allow customers to carry should - hefeweizen MU - 10/31 11:50:42
                                        Don't go to Mizzou games? (nm) - JeffB MU - 10/31 11:56:01
                                             It is still up to me whether to go. Im assuming the risk am - hefeweizen MU - 10/31 12:02:43
                                                  Perhaps. It does seem to me that college football games are - JeffB MU - 10/31 12:06:07
                                                       I would not consider large venues to be soft targets - meatiger MU - 10/31 12:24:54
                                                            I think someone could drive into a parking lot where - JeffB MU - 10/31 12:35:16
                                                                 so why hasn't that happened? - ashtray UF - 10/31 12:37:56
                                                                 Yes that could be done - meatiger MU - 10/31 12:37:17
                                                       I honestly dont remember if there are detectors at the gates - hefeweizen MU - 10/31 12:07:15
                         by who? (nm) - ashtray UF - 10/31 11:40:26
                              My question was open ended to you. You have the ability - JeffB MU - 10/31 11:47:57
                                   He prefers to be led. It’s obvious that identifying - Outsider MU - 10/31 12:02:43
                                        I'm not a central planner, and neither are you - ashtray UF - 10/31 12:17:19
                                             If you aren’t a central planner and don’t feel qualified - Outsider MU - 10/31 12:20:17
                                                  remember when you asked why I get personal? - ashtray UF - 10/31 12:22:17
                                                       Haha! I’m sorry ash. It’s just that when someone asks… - Outsider MU - 10/31 12:26:27
                                                            no, it would be reasonable if the asker of the question - ashtray UF - 10/31 12:27:56
                                                                 How many people do you want him to ask you about - Outsider MU - 10/31 12:31:02
                                                                      it's his quesiton. why would I determine that? - ashtray UF - 10/31 12:34:01
                                                                           Clearly no one respects your thoughts on anything - Outsider MU - 10/31 12:39:04
                                                                                lol.. I will re-lower my expectations for you - ashtray UF - 10/31 12:42:17
                                                                                     Haha! And I will spoon feed every question as to - Outsider MU - 10/31 12:45:10
                                   wait. it's my responsibility to construct your question for - ashtray UF - 10/31 11:49:04
                                        You don't seem to understand. I never asked you to construct - JeffB MU - 10/31 12:02:03
                                             I don't run the world and don't want to - ashtray UF - 10/31 12:16:36
                                                  So you have no solutions whatsoever. It is every man for - JeffB MU - 10/31 12:19:00
                                                       nice strawman, but you run with that (nm) - ashtray UF - 10/31 12:22:46
                                                            You haven't given an alternative. So far, all you have - JeffB MU - 10/31 16:14:46
                              That’s what he’s asking you. (nm) - Outsider MU - 10/31 11:41:12
                                   no it isn't (nm) - ashtray UF - 10/31 11:42:59
                                        He didn’t ask you how it should be handled? (nm) - Outsider MU - 10/31 11:43:58
                                             RE: He didn’t ask you how it should be dealt with? (nm) - Outsider MU - 10/31 11:44:46
                                             I said "by who" - ashtray UF - 10/31 11:44:38
                                                  That’s where you come in, it’s part of the question, unless - Outsider MU - 10/31 11:45:58
                                                       does everyone act as a collective in your world? - ashtray UF - 10/31 11:47:56
                                                            It’s called a non leading question… - Outsider MU - 10/31 11:51:10
                                                                 lol. holy shyt (nm) - ashtray UF - 10/31 11:52:10
                                                                      And still no answer, we get it. (nm) - Outsider MU - 10/31 11:52:49
     How many people would be arrested and detained - meatiger MU - 10/31 11:25:39
          How do you think Card's situation should have been handled? - JeffB MU - 10/31 11:34:09
               The family should have taken the guns and went to court to - tigertix MU - 10/31 11:52:29
                    The anarchists reject that methodology. I am interested in - JeffB MU - 10/31 12:21:18
          Given mental evaluations for exhibiting severe and violent - Spanky KU - 10/31 11:28:06
               so detained (which is basically the same as arrested) - meatiger MU - 10/31 11:30:21
                    For a mental evaluation that determines the likelihood of - Spanky KU - 10/31 11:38:11
               ^^^ CCP (nm) - ashtray UF - 10/31 11:30:13
     Speaking of mass murderers, anyone seen the manifesto… - Outsider MU - 10/31 11:22:48
     Law enforcement's failure should always mean - mizzouSECedes STL - 10/31 11:21:48
     Well we clearly need more laws - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 10/31 11:20:47




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