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RE: You put a lot of importance on video of marginal players

Posted on: September 9, 2021 at 15:04:37 CT

TONYTIGR MU

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That's because you don't know how to evaluate yourself, you're a list guy. You seem to operate solely off lists, but don't do the research to find where those lists come from. Some are second hand based on someone elses list like many of 247's. That's why it's called a composite, but their composite sometimes is based on 1 evauation by someone else, so composite is misleading. I'll take the evaluation of someone who has either watched live action or reviewed tape over a list on anyone not in the top 50 or so. It's funny you talk about taking professional opinions as gospel on recruits then discount professionals opinion who have vetted and been involved in hiring a coach.

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Mark Mitchell visits set - wu-tangtiger MU - 9/9 07:26:22

RE: Mark Mitchell visits set - hondo MU - 9/10 08:03:23

Cuonzo’s last chance to provide some hope?? - Beakerbasher KC - 9/9 22:46:50

Shaw is way more likely than Mitchell - wu-tangtiger MU - 9/9 22:52:25

Sandwiched in between KU/Duke…I’m sure - sammy MU - 9/9 11:30:23

We are playing N. Texas that weekend - FIJItiger MU

- 9/9 10:53:43

homecoming weekend is probably as good an experience as we - phrejd MU

- 9/9 11:24:37

These visits feel like nothing more than courtesies... - zounami MU - 9/9 09:03:09

Given the experiences of Tilmon/Mckinney/M. Smith I think - FIJItiger MU

- 9/9 11:09:45

Add Torrance Watson. He's ****ed off 3 AAU programs in - Sigma MU - 9/9 12:34:42

Cuonzo has a great relationship with Ramey - wu-tangtiger MU - 9/9 12:42:38

LO friggn L - Bump834 MU - 9/9 14:33:23

Not so great w/ Ramey & recruited backup guard for BB-Elite - Sigma MU - 9/9 12:45:12

If you have different information on Ramey - wu-tangtiger MU - 9/9 12:57:11

RE: If you have different information on Ramey - Bump834 MU - 9/10 10:43:12

Ramey & his son rejected Cuonzo twice. Ramey played him - Sigma MU - 9/9 13:00:08

if ramey put up the numbers/stats at MU that he has at UT - TigerA MU - 9/9 13:12:47

Changing the narrative, but I would prefer him to BUGGS - Sigma MU - 9/9 13:16:59

obviously everyone would prefer ramey to buggs but you would - TigerA MU - 9/9 13:18:47

Had Ramey committed - wu-tangtiger MU - 9/9 13:18:22

That’s not new info. (nm) - wu-tangtiger MU - 9/9 13:01:30

You thinking they have a great relationship is comical. - Sigma MU - 9/9 13:02:31

You keep saying they don’t - wu-tangtiger MU - 9/9 13:07:54

LOL! Zo has teed off several who liked him at one time. He - Sigma MU - 9/9 13:12:09

You keep saying that but don’t provide specifics - wu-tangtiger MU - 9/9 13:17:04

Zo knows and he needs to put his pride & $ aside. - Sigma MU - 9/9 13:18:10

So more of the same from you. - wu-tangtiger MU - 9/9 13:18:55

Differs from "this year is about 22-23" That's Grade-A Bull$ - Sigma MU - 9/9 13:22:27

CM thinking he had a chance....goodness. (nm) - LamarFrazier MU - 9/9 13:00:50

Ramey used Cuonzo to leverage other schools & then - Sigma MU - 9/9 13:01:44

yeah and you could see it a mile away - LamarFrazier MU - 9/9 13:37:35

Good point, thought I was forgetting someone - FIJItiger MU

- 9/9 12:35:35

That is my big issue with him. His program has not moved - DHighlander NWMSU - 9/9 11:56:58

He's using Hollender & Mann's contacts w MoValley & non - Sigma MU - 9/9 12:50:38

You think all of them had bad experiences at Mizzou? - wu-tangtiger MU - 9/9 11:46:17

Tilmon was a top 40 recruit that did not get a sniff from - DHighlander NWMSU - 9/9 11:59:32

he had workouts with several teams. that's a sniff(nm) - TigerA MU - 9/9 12:59:06

Seriously? Getting a workout is not a sniff. Getting - DHighlander NWMSU - 9/9 13:30:34

you have an excuse for everything. it's impressive(nm) - TigerA MU - 9/9 13:57:37

That was Dru and Miami - wu-tangtiger MU - 9/9 13:33:35

And Tilmon was a quick washout regardless. He was not - DHighlander NWMSU - 9/9 13:35:20

Summer isn’t D League (nm) - wu-tangtiger MU - 9/9 13:50:16

yep he could've gone to MSU or UNC(nm) - LamarFrazier MU - 9/9 12:56:22

JT was a top 50 recruit before CM - LamarFrazier MU - 9/9 11:53:21

he was 2nd team all SEC. (nm) - TigerA MU - 9/9 12:56:54

only conference recognition and in his last yr - LamarFrazier MU - 9/9 13:00:05

every year top 50 kids go play overseas. that is way more - TigerA MU - 9/9 13:10:38

so you think JT developed to his potential under CM? - LamarFrazier MU - 9/9 13:39:18

i' m defending CM. i'm defending tilmon. (nm) - TigerA MU - 9/9 14:05:48

Not for players who were ranked as high as he was. - DHighlander NWMSU - 9/9 13:33:49

i saw somewhere he was #43 in his class. i literally looked - TigerA MU - 9/9 14:04:54

I think the coaches, handlers, AAU people would all - FIJItiger MU

- 9/9 11:49:57

Tilmon would recommend it to a recruit. - wu-tangtiger MU - 9/9 11:52:29

Placing blame on myself would be misattributed - FIJItiger MU

- 9/9 11:57:29

this where we revisit where you set the bar for recruits?(nm) - LamarFrazier MU - 9/9 11:54:02

I always have a range that I think they can - wu-tangtiger MU - 9/9 12:03:02

you could be right but also your feeling could be completely - SabertoothTiger MU - 9/9 10:35:58

Exactly. The players themselves aren't interested but the - zounami MU - 9/10 00:23:26

I think CM is very popular with parents which is why he - DHighlander NWMSU - 9/9 10:38:26

precisely (nm) - zounami MU - 9/10 00:23:58

agree. Most parents probably like him a lot and the - SabertoothTiger MU - 9/9 11:04:07

so you agree with me then (nm) - zounami MU - 9/10 00:24:31

Well sort of but I do think he puts in effort. His message - SabertoothTiger MU - 9/10 08:31:47

that very well may be true. but it is still his effort that - TigerA MU - 9/9 10:44:44

Not enough effort... and again, the "interest" probably has - zounami MU - 9/10 00:25:22

He did not sign the Porters, they were coming as long as Kim - DHighlander NWMSU - 9/9 11:52:25

I agree with this too. I don't think its his lack of effort - SabertoothTiger MU - 9/9 11:07:53

and he's too lazy or too stupid to make adjustments (nm) - zounami MU - 9/10 00:26:00

How many are because family are pressuring the kids to - DHighlander NWMSU - 9/9 09:12:45

He has to be the worst recruiter of all black HC's in the P5 - zounami MU - 9/10 00:27:20

Most sign with WA coach. - Sigma MU - 9/9 11:33:16

there are lots of HC of color. why extend it to CM?(nm) - TigerA MU - 9/9 09:09:56

Because their parents like him & feel sorry for him.... - zounami MU - 9/10 00:30:55

A good sign that Coach Martin is working hard at recruiting - Harvest MU - 9/9 07:57:02

No, getting a courtesy visit is easy. Getting an actual... - zounami MU - 9/9 09:09:43

lmao - Cosmo MU

- 9/10 07:58:26

or keeping a 4 or 5 star recruit not named Porter more than - LamarFrazier MU - 9/9 11:54:39

Watson was here 3 years. So was Mark Smith (nm) - wu-tangtiger MU - 9/9 12:32:22

Mark was a transfer. And, Watson staying while - LamarFrazier MU - 9/9 12:57:52

Moving the goalposts - wu-tangtiger MU - 9/9 13:02:03

Mark wasn't a HS recruit. - LamarFrazier MU - 9/9 13:42:19

So he wasn’t a 4 star recruit - wu-tangtiger MU - 9/9 13:51:52

Getting one of his 4 official visits is more than courtesy - Harvest MU - 9/9 09:19:07

Not at all, especially if he already knows where he's going. - zounami MU - 9/9 22:40:48

It’s also his second official to Mizzou (nm) - wu-tangtiger MU - 9/9 09:27:45

lol.. sounds like our chances of landing him are good then (nm) - zounami MU - 9/10 00:48:51

both take effort. getting a commitment takes much - TigerA MU - 9/9 09:18:25

Outside of the year one gift CM received Kim Anderson was - DHighlander NWMSU - 9/9 09:20:12

huh?(nm) - TigerA MU - 9/9 09:21:11

CM got the #4 class year one due to the Porters and the - DHighlander NWMSU - 9/9 10:17:04

Where is Brookshire 163 - wu-tangtiger MU - 9/9 10:27:25

KA had to sign those recruits himself, he recruited them. - DHighlander NWMSU - 9/9 10:30:58

2 of them signed with Haith - wu-tangtiger MU - 9/9 11:00:13

Did he drop or did others rise above him? I know, - DHighlander NWMSU - 9/9 11:54:26

Timing is interesting - wu-tangtiger MU - 9/9 12:05:26

He was at 163 then jumped up. He then fell back to the - DHighlander NWMSU - 9/9 12:07:26

is there a reason you aren't counting tilmon?(nm) - TigerA MU - 9/9 10:23:21

Because Tilmon came after he saw the Porters sign. - DHighlander NWMSU - 9/9 10:27:05

lol, that's so dumb. Coach Cal doesn't recruit anyone - TigerA MU - 9/9 10:38:30

Both of those things are part of the equation but it is up - DHighlander NWMSU - 9/9 12:03:48

this weekend Fuller/Fulford put together for Kim: - FIJItiger MU

- 9/9 08:41:49

Love and Christopher were both 5 star recruits - wu-tangtiger MU - 9/9 08:05:09

CM has had a number of top recruits interested, maybe not 5* - DHighlander NWMSU - 9/9 08:03:10

He's great at everything but player development and winning - LamarFrazier MU - 9/9 11:55:24

The problem is that he's only getting "courtesy interest" nm - zounami MU - 9/9 09:04:07

He has coached/recruited a pretty good number of NBA - FIJItiger MU

- 9/9 08:46:19

I agree that he needs to start closing some of these. - GeorgiaTiger76 MU - 9/9 08:32:55

Believe Trey Jackson is the only top 100 player we - FIJItiger MU

- 9/9 08:47:45

Depends on the site you use - wu-tangtiger MU - 9/9 09:19:25

composite dude - LamarFrazier MU - 9/9 11:56:08

Wu-T does seem to base an inordinate amount of arguments on - DHighlander NWMSU - 9/9 12:11:44

but his development of top 100 players is atrocious - LamarFrazier MU - 9/9 12:59:04

Can you actually support CM without cherry-picking?(nm) - DHighlander NWMSU - 9/9 13:36:22

if Santos had stayed healthy and if he'd hit 45% from 3 - LamarFrazier MU - 9/9 13:43:42

LOL...yup he has this one in his tool kit. nm - Sigma MU - 9/9 14:30:50

There’s only been 2 here long enough to develop - wu-tangtiger MU - 9/9 13:09:40

but but but but now they didn't stay long enough - LamarFrazier MU - 9/9 13:43:03

Excuses? 1 started and became all conference - wu-tangtiger MU - 9/9 13:53:22

Not sure I agree that top 100 doesn't really matter - FIJItiger MU

- 9/9 10:44:28

You need top 50 guys - wu-tangtiger MU - 9/9 11:01:46

That is a good way to create an NBA Jams roster - FIJItiger MU

- 9/9 11:05:20

You are right it takes more than 2-3 guys - wu-tangtiger MU - 9/9 11:44:54

Tilmon/Dru/Pinson were as good a trio as any - FIJItiger MU

- 9/9 11:54:04

They weren’t as good but were very good. - wu-tangtiger MU - 9/9 12:09:23

Not counting MPj, we had 3 top 50 recruits in 2017-18 - FIJItiger MU

- 9/9 12:15:53

3? MPJ, Jontay and Tilmon - wu-tangtiger MU - 9/9 12:30:59

Man, I really mis-remembered on Barnett - FIJItiger MU

- 9/9 12:39:00

Here’s his 247 for consistency - wu-tangtiger MU - 9/9 12:44:05

When did 247 start? I don't even remember it being a - FIJItiger MU

- 9/9 12:48:06

2002 or 2003 - wu-tangtiger MU - 9/9 13:00:40

This says 2010 - FIJItiger MU

- 9/9 13:08:25

I don’t know why you guys use Wikipedia - wu-tangtiger MU - 9/9 13:12:53

That has to be retroactive, there is no way that 247 - FIJItiger MU

- 9/9 13:19:26

So you don’t believe their own website - wu-tangtiger MU - 9/9 13:20:33

I'm not sure you are understanding my question - FIJItiger MU

- 9/9 13:40:38

And I don't believe he ever saw the court.(nm) - DHighlander NWMSU - 9/9 09:18:33

He avged 8.1 mpg as a freshman over 26 games. (nm) - FIJItiger MU

- 9/9 10:55:39

Mitchell is a long shot. - wu-tangtiger MU - 9/9 08:35:56

He is what? Putting guys into the NBA? No he is not. - DHighlander NWMSU - 9/9 08:19:53

There’s more than 2. His number of guys that made the NBA - wu-tangtiger MU - 9/9 08:21:55

There are currently only the two I listed. At least from - DHighlander NWMSU - 9/9 08:46:21

The site you checked is wrong. - wu-tangtiger MU - 9/9 08:49:01

Please name CM's NBA players then.(nm) - DHighlander NWMSU - 9/9 09:04:07

How many times do I have to do that here? - wu-tangtiger MU - 9/9 09:09:57

I listed the three that are currently on NBA rosters. I - DHighlander NWMSU - 9/9 09:17:51

Rabb played at Cal not Tennessee - wu-tangtiger MU - 9/9 09:21:45

Your last sentence is total bullshlt and you know it. For a - DHighlander NWMSU - 9/9 10:24:46

Thing is there are more than 4 - wu-tangtiger MU - 9/9 10:29:03

There are not more than four currently, every program has - DHighlander NWMSU - 9/9 10:34:45

Tilmon wasn’t top 40, but wasn’t far from there - wu-tangtiger MU - 9/9 11:50:45

247 had him at 43. Camp invites are not NBA players. - DHighlander NWMSU - 9/9 12:10:36

Now compare that to non blue blood coaches - wu-tangtiger MU - 9/9 12:29:32

Who the hell on this roster do you think has NBA potential? - DHighlander NWMSU - 9/9 12:34:40

2 guys with the potential are - wu-tangtiger MU - 9/9 12:46:29

Come on! Seriously? Durugodon was rated 233 in his class - DHighlander NWMSU - 9/9 13:44:10

Have you watched them play? - wu-tangtiger MU - 9/9 13:57:51

You put a lot of importance on video of marginal players - DHighlander NWMSU - 9/9 14:28:37

RE: You put a lot of importance on video of marginal players - TONYTIGR MU - 9/9 15:04:37

What you say you know is not actually true - wu-tangtiger MU - 9/9 14:33:47

Right because once a guy 'commits' everyone else stops - DHighlander NWMSU - 9/10 09:30:24

In football players continue to get recruiting after committ - wu-tangtiger MU - 9/10 09:35:39

Research actually shows that he is. (nm) - wu-tangtiger MU - 9/9 08:07:22

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