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That is my big issue with him. His program has not moved

Posted on: September 9, 2021 at 11:56:58 CT
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forward and he just sticks with the status quo. He either does not see a problem or he simply does not care to address it. Either of those are huge red flags towards his ability to head this program.
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Mark Mitchell visits set - wu-tangtiger MU - 9/9 07:26:22
     RE: Mark Mitchell visits set - hondo MU - 9/10 08:03:23
     Cuonzo’s last chance to provide some hope?? - Beakerbasher KC - 9/9 22:46:50
          Shaw is way more likely than Mitchell - wu-tangtiger MU - 9/9 22:52:25
     Sandwiched in between KU/Duke…I’m sure - sammy MU - 9/9 11:30:23
     We are playing N. Texas that weekend - FIJItiger MU - 9/9 10:53:43
          homecoming weekend is probably as good an experience as we - phrejd MU - 9/9 11:24:37
     These visits feel like nothing more than courtesies... - zounami MU - 9/9 09:03:09
          Given the experiences of Tilmon/Mckinney/M. Smith I think - FIJItiger MU - 9/9 11:09:45
               Add Torrance Watson. He's ****ed off 3 AAU programs in - Sigma MU - 9/9 12:34:42
                    Cuonzo has a great relationship with Ramey - wu-tangtiger MU - 9/9 12:42:38
                         LO friggn L - Bump834 MU - 9/9 14:33:23
                         Not so great w/ Ramey & recruited backup guard for BB-Elite - Sigma MU - 9/9 12:45:12
                              If you have different information on Ramey - wu-tangtiger MU - 9/9 12:57:11
                                   RE: If you have different information on Ramey - Bump834 MU - 9/10 10:43:12
                                   Ramey & his son rejected Cuonzo twice. Ramey played him - Sigma MU - 9/9 13:00:08
                                        if ramey put up the numbers/stats at MU that he has at UT - TigerA MU - 9/9 13:12:47
                                             Changing the narrative, but I would prefer him to BUGGS - Sigma MU - 9/9 13:16:59
                                                  obviously everyone would prefer ramey to buggs but you would - TigerA MU - 9/9 13:18:47
                                                  Had Ramey committed - wu-tangtiger MU - 9/9 13:18:22
                                        That’s not new info. (nm) - wu-tangtiger MU - 9/9 13:01:30
                                             You thinking they have a great relationship is comical. - Sigma MU - 9/9 13:02:31
                                                  You keep saying they don’t - wu-tangtiger MU - 9/9 13:07:54
                                                       LOL! Zo has teed off several who liked him at one time. He - Sigma MU - 9/9 13:12:09
                                                            You keep saying that but don’t provide specifics - wu-tangtiger MU - 9/9 13:17:04
                                                                 Zo knows and he needs to put his pride & $ aside. - Sigma MU - 9/9 13:18:10
                                                                      So more of the same from you. - wu-tangtiger MU - 9/9 13:18:55
                                                                           Differs from "this year is about 22-23" That's Grade-A Bull$ - Sigma MU - 9/9 13:22:27
                                        CM thinking he had a chance....goodness. (nm) - LamarFrazier MU - 9/9 13:00:50
                                             Ramey used Cuonzo to leverage other schools & then - Sigma MU - 9/9 13:01:44
                                                  yeah and you could see it a mile away - LamarFrazier MU - 9/9 13:37:35
                    Good point, thought I was forgetting someone - FIJItiger MU - 9/9 12:35:35
               That is my big issue with him. His program has not moved - DHighlander NWMSU - 9/9 11:56:58
                    He's using Hollender & Mann's contacts w MoValley & non - Sigma MU - 9/9 12:50:38
               You think all of them had bad experiences at Mizzou? - wu-tangtiger MU - 9/9 11:46:17
                    Tilmon was a top 40 recruit that did not get a sniff from - DHighlander NWMSU - 9/9 11:59:32
                         he had workouts with several teams. that's a sniff(nm) - TigerA MU - 9/9 12:59:06
                              Seriously? Getting a workout is not a sniff. Getting - DHighlander NWMSU - 9/9 13:30:34
                                   you have an excuse for everything. it's impressive(nm) - TigerA MU - 9/9 13:57:37
                                   That was Dru and Miami - wu-tangtiger MU - 9/9 13:33:35
                                        And Tilmon was a quick washout regardless. He was not - DHighlander NWMSU - 9/9 13:35:20
                                             Summer isn’t D League (nm) - wu-tangtiger MU - 9/9 13:50:16
                         yep he could've gone to MSU or UNC(nm) - LamarFrazier MU - 9/9 12:56:22
                    JT was a top 50 recruit before CM - LamarFrazier MU - 9/9 11:53:21
                         he was 2nd team all SEC. (nm) - TigerA MU - 9/9 12:56:54
                              only conference recognition and in his last yr - LamarFrazier MU - 9/9 13:00:05
                                   every year top 50 kids go play overseas. that is way more - TigerA MU - 9/9 13:10:38
                                        so you think JT developed to his potential under CM? - LamarFrazier MU - 9/9 13:39:18
                                             i' m defending CM. i'm defending tilmon. (nm) - TigerA MU - 9/9 14:05:48
                                        Not for players who were ranked as high as he was. - DHighlander NWMSU - 9/9 13:33:49
                                             i saw somewhere he was #43 in his class. i literally looked - TigerA MU - 9/9 14:04:54
                    I think the coaches, handlers, AAU people would all - FIJItiger MU - 9/9 11:49:57
                         Tilmon would recommend it to a recruit. - wu-tangtiger MU - 9/9 11:52:29
                              Placing blame on myself would be misattributed - FIJItiger MU - 9/9 11:57:29
                              this where we revisit where you set the bar for recruits?(nm) - LamarFrazier MU - 9/9 11:54:02
                                   I always have a range that I think they can - wu-tangtiger MU - 9/9 12:03:02
          you could be right but also your feeling could be completely - SabertoothTiger MU - 9/9 10:35:58
               Exactly. The players themselves aren't interested but the - zounami MU - 9/10 00:23:26
               I think CM is very popular with parents which is why he - DHighlander NWMSU - 9/9 10:38:26
                    precisely (nm) - zounami MU - 9/10 00:23:58
                    agree. Most parents probably like him a lot and the - SabertoothTiger MU - 9/9 11:04:07
                         so you agree with me then (nm) - zounami MU - 9/10 00:24:31
                              Well sort of but I do think he puts in effort. His message - SabertoothTiger MU - 9/10 08:31:47
                    that very well may be true. but it is still his effort that - TigerA MU - 9/9 10:44:44
                         Not enough effort... and again, the "interest" probably has - zounami MU - 9/10 00:25:22
                         He did not sign the Porters, they were coming as long as Kim - DHighlander NWMSU - 9/9 11:52:25
                         I agree with this too. I don't think its his lack of effort - SabertoothTiger MU - 9/9 11:07:53
                              and he's too lazy or too stupid to make adjustments (nm) - zounami MU - 9/10 00:26:00
          How many are because family are pressuring the kids to - DHighlander NWMSU - 9/9 09:12:45
               He has to be the worst recruiter of all black HC's in the P5 - zounami MU - 9/10 00:27:20
               Most sign with WA coach. - Sigma MU - 9/9 11:33:16
          there are lots of HC of color. why extend it to CM?(nm) - TigerA MU - 9/9 09:09:56
               Because their parents like him & feel sorry for him.... - zounami MU - 9/10 00:30:55
     A good sign that Coach Martin is working hard at recruiting - Harvest MU - 9/9 07:57:02
          No, getting a courtesy visit is easy. Getting an actual... - zounami MU - 9/9 09:09:43
               lmao - Cosmo MU - 9/10 07:58:26
               or keeping a 4 or 5 star recruit not named Porter more than - LamarFrazier MU - 9/9 11:54:39
                    Watson was here 3 years. So was Mark Smith (nm) - wu-tangtiger MU - 9/9 12:32:22
                         Mark was a transfer. And, Watson staying while - LamarFrazier MU - 9/9 12:57:52
                              Moving the goalposts - wu-tangtiger MU - 9/9 13:02:03
                                   Mark wasn't a HS recruit. - LamarFrazier MU - 9/9 13:42:19
                                        So he wasn’t a 4 star recruit - wu-tangtiger MU - 9/9 13:51:52
               Getting one of his 4 official visits is more than courtesy - Harvest MU - 9/9 09:19:07
                    Not at all, especially if he already knows where he's going. - zounami MU - 9/9 22:40:48
                    It’s also his second official to Mizzou (nm) - wu-tangtiger MU - 9/9 09:27:45
                         lol.. sounds like our chances of landing him are good then (nm) - zounami MU - 9/10 00:48:51
               both take effort. getting a commitment takes much - TigerA MU - 9/9 09:18:25
                    Outside of the year one gift CM received Kim Anderson was - DHighlander NWMSU - 9/9 09:20:12
                         huh?(nm) - TigerA MU - 9/9 09:21:11
                              CM got the #4 class year one due to the Porters and the - DHighlander NWMSU - 9/9 10:17:04
                                   Where is Brookshire 163 - wu-tangtiger MU - 9/9 10:27:25
                                        KA had to sign those recruits himself, he recruited them. - DHighlander NWMSU - 9/9 10:30:58
                                             2 of them signed with Haith - wu-tangtiger MU - 9/9 11:00:13
                                                  Did he drop or did others rise above him? I know, - DHighlander NWMSU - 9/9 11:54:26
                                                       Timing is interesting - wu-tangtiger MU - 9/9 12:05:26
                                                            He was at 163 then jumped up. He then fell back to the - DHighlander NWMSU - 9/9 12:07:26
                                   is there a reason you aren't counting tilmon?(nm) - TigerA MU - 9/9 10:23:21
                                        Because Tilmon came after he saw the Porters sign. - DHighlander NWMSU - 9/9 10:27:05
                                             lol, that's so dumb. Coach Cal doesn't recruit anyone - TigerA MU - 9/9 10:38:30
                                                  Both of those things are part of the equation but it is up - DHighlander NWMSU - 9/9 12:03:48
          this weekend Fuller/Fulford put together for Kim: - FIJItiger MU - 9/9 08:41:49
          Love and Christopher were both 5 star recruits - wu-tangtiger MU - 9/9 08:05:09
          CM has had a number of top recruits interested, maybe not 5* - DHighlander NWMSU - 9/9 08:03:10
               He's great at everything but player development and winning - LamarFrazier MU - 9/9 11:55:24
               The problem is that he's only getting "courtesy interest" nm - zounami MU - 9/9 09:04:07
               He has coached/recruited a pretty good number of NBA - FIJItiger MU - 9/9 08:46:19
               I agree that he needs to start closing some of these. - GeorgiaTiger76 MU - 9/9 08:32:55
                    Believe Trey Jackson is the only top 100 player we - FIJItiger MU - 9/9 08:47:45
                         Depends on the site you use - wu-tangtiger MU - 9/9 09:19:25
                              composite dude - LamarFrazier MU - 9/9 11:56:08
                                   Wu-T does seem to base an inordinate amount of arguments on - DHighlander NWMSU - 9/9 12:11:44
                                        but his development of top 100 players is atrocious - LamarFrazier MU - 9/9 12:59:04
                                             Can you actually support CM without cherry-picking?(nm) - DHighlander NWMSU - 9/9 13:36:22
                                                  if Santos had stayed healthy and if he'd hit 45% from 3 - LamarFrazier MU - 9/9 13:43:42
                                                       LOL...yup he has this one in his tool kit. nm - Sigma MU - 9/9 14:30:50
                                             There’s only been 2 here long enough to develop - wu-tangtiger MU - 9/9 13:09:40
                                                  but but but but now they didn't stay long enough - LamarFrazier MU - 9/9 13:43:03
                                                       Excuses? 1 started and became all conference - wu-tangtiger MU - 9/9 13:53:22
                              Not sure I agree that top 100 doesn't really matter - FIJItiger MU - 9/9 10:44:28
                                   You need top 50 guys - wu-tangtiger MU - 9/9 11:01:46
                                        That is a good way to create an NBA Jams roster - FIJItiger MU - 9/9 11:05:20
                                             You are right it takes more than 2-3 guys - wu-tangtiger MU - 9/9 11:44:54
                                                  Tilmon/Dru/Pinson were as good a trio as any - FIJItiger MU - 9/9 11:54:04
                                                       They weren’t as good but were very good. - wu-tangtiger MU - 9/9 12:09:23
                                                            Not counting MPj, we had 3 top 50 recruits in 2017-18 - FIJItiger MU - 9/9 12:15:53
                                                                 3? MPJ, Jontay and Tilmon - wu-tangtiger MU - 9/9 12:30:59
                                                                      Man, I really mis-remembered on Barnett - FIJItiger MU - 9/9 12:39:00
                                                                           Here’s his 247 for consistency - wu-tangtiger MU - 9/9 12:44:05
                                                                                When did 247 start? I don't even remember it being a - FIJItiger MU - 9/9 12:48:06
                                                                                     2002 or 2003 - wu-tangtiger MU - 9/9 13:00:40
                                                                                          This says 2010 - FIJItiger MU - 9/9 13:08:25
                                                                                               I don’t know why you guys use Wikipedia - wu-tangtiger MU - 9/9 13:12:53
                                                                                                    That has to be retroactive, there is no way that 247 - FIJItiger MU - 9/9 13:19:26
                                                                                                         So you don’t believe their own website - wu-tangtiger MU - 9/9 13:20:33
                                                                                                              I'm not sure you are understanding my question - FIJItiger MU - 9/9 13:40:38
                         And I don't believe he ever saw the court.(nm) - DHighlander NWMSU - 9/9 09:18:33
                              He avged 8.1 mpg as a freshman over 26 games. (nm) - FIJItiger MU - 9/9 10:55:39
                    Mitchell is a long shot. - wu-tangtiger MU - 9/9 08:35:56
               He is what? Putting guys into the NBA? No he is not. - DHighlander NWMSU - 9/9 08:19:53
                    There’s more than 2. His number of guys that made the NBA - wu-tangtiger MU - 9/9 08:21:55
                         There are currently only the two I listed. At least from - DHighlander NWMSU - 9/9 08:46:21
                              The site you checked is wrong. - wu-tangtiger MU - 9/9 08:49:01
                                   Please name CM's NBA players then.(nm) - DHighlander NWMSU - 9/9 09:04:07
                                        How many times do I have to do that here? - wu-tangtiger MU - 9/9 09:09:57
                                             I listed the three that are currently on NBA rosters. I - DHighlander NWMSU - 9/9 09:17:51
                                                  Rabb played at Cal not Tennessee - wu-tangtiger MU - 9/9 09:21:45
                                                       Your last sentence is total bullshlt and you know it. For a - DHighlander NWMSU - 9/9 10:24:46
                                                            Thing is there are more than 4 - wu-tangtiger MU - 9/9 10:29:03
                                                                 There are not more than four currently, every program has - DHighlander NWMSU - 9/9 10:34:45
                                                                      Tilmon wasn’t top 40, but wasn’t far from there - wu-tangtiger MU - 9/9 11:50:45
                                                                           247 had him at 43. Camp invites are not NBA players. - DHighlander NWMSU - 9/9 12:10:36
                                                                                Now compare that to non blue blood coaches - wu-tangtiger MU - 9/9 12:29:32
                                                                                     Who the hell on this roster do you think has NBA potential? - DHighlander NWMSU - 9/9 12:34:40
                                                                                          2 guys with the potential are - wu-tangtiger MU - 9/9 12:46:29
                                                                                               Come on! Seriously? Durugodon was rated 233 in his class - DHighlander NWMSU - 9/9 13:44:10
                                                                                                    Have you watched them play? - wu-tangtiger MU - 9/9 13:57:51
                                                                                                         You put a lot of importance on video of marginal players - DHighlander NWMSU - 9/9 14:28:37
                                                                                                              RE: You put a lot of importance on video of marginal players - TONYTIGR MU - 9/9 15:04:37
                                                                                                              What you say you know is not actually true - wu-tangtiger MU - 9/9 14:33:47
                                                                                                                   Right because once a guy 'commits' everyone else stops - DHighlander NWMSU - 9/10 09:30:24
                                                                                                                        In football players continue to get recruiting after committ - wu-tangtiger MU - 9/10 09:35:39
               Research actually shows that he is. (nm) - wu-tangtiger MU - 9/9 08:07:22




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