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CM has had a number of top recruits interested, maybe not 5*

Posted on: September 9, 2021 at 08:03:10 CT

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but top 50 guys. His problem is closing the deal with them.

I think the problem is obvious. CM is a good guy and connects well with the young players so they all like him. That is not the problem, the problem comes when the players ask around and do a little research. They find that CM is not a coach that will help them get to the next level. Every top 100 recruit believes in his heart that he will be an NBA player, they want a coach that has a track record of putting players in the NBA. It does not require much research to figure out that CM is not that coach.

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Mark Mitchell visits set - wu-tangtiger MU - 9/9 07:26:22

RE: Mark Mitchell visits set - hondo MU - 9/10 08:03:23

Cuonzo’s last chance to provide some hope?? - Beakerbasher KC - 9/9 22:46:50

Shaw is way more likely than Mitchell - wu-tangtiger MU - 9/9 22:52:25

Sandwiched in between KU/Duke…I’m sure - sammy MU - 9/9 11:30:23

We are playing N. Texas that weekend - FIJItiger MU

- 9/9 10:53:43

homecoming weekend is probably as good an experience as we - phrejd MU

- 9/9 11:24:37

These visits feel like nothing more than courtesies... - zounami MU - 9/9 09:03:09

Given the experiences of Tilmon/Mckinney/M. Smith I think - FIJItiger MU

- 9/9 11:09:45

Add Torrance Watson. He's ****ed off 3 AAU programs in - Sigma MU - 9/9 12:34:42

Cuonzo has a great relationship with Ramey - wu-tangtiger MU - 9/9 12:42:38

LO friggn L - Bump834 MU - 9/9 14:33:23

Not so great w/ Ramey & recruited backup guard for BB-Elite - Sigma MU - 9/9 12:45:12

If you have different information on Ramey - wu-tangtiger MU - 9/9 12:57:11

RE: If you have different information on Ramey - Bump834 MU - 9/10 10:43:12

Ramey & his son rejected Cuonzo twice. Ramey played him - Sigma MU - 9/9 13:00:08

if ramey put up the numbers/stats at MU that he has at UT - TigerA MU - 9/9 13:12:47

Changing the narrative, but I would prefer him to BUGGS - Sigma MU - 9/9 13:16:59

obviously everyone would prefer ramey to buggs but you would - TigerA MU - 9/9 13:18:47

Had Ramey committed - wu-tangtiger MU - 9/9 13:18:22

That’s not new info. (nm) - wu-tangtiger MU - 9/9 13:01:30

You thinking they have a great relationship is comical. - Sigma MU - 9/9 13:02:31

You keep saying they don’t - wu-tangtiger MU - 9/9 13:07:54

LOL! Zo has teed off several who liked him at one time. He - Sigma MU - 9/9 13:12:09

You keep saying that but don’t provide specifics - wu-tangtiger MU - 9/9 13:17:04

Zo knows and he needs to put his pride & $ aside. - Sigma MU - 9/9 13:18:10

So more of the same from you. - wu-tangtiger MU - 9/9 13:18:55

Differs from "this year is about 22-23" That's Grade-A Bull$ - Sigma MU - 9/9 13:22:27

CM thinking he had a chance....goodness. (nm) - LamarFrazier MU - 9/9 13:00:50

Ramey used Cuonzo to leverage other schools & then - Sigma MU - 9/9 13:01:44

yeah and you could see it a mile away - LamarFrazier MU - 9/9 13:37:35

Good point, thought I was forgetting someone - FIJItiger MU

- 9/9 12:35:35

That is my big issue with him. His program has not moved - DHighlander NWMSU - 9/9 11:56:58

He's using Hollender & Mann's contacts w MoValley & non - Sigma MU - 9/9 12:50:38

You think all of them had bad experiences at Mizzou? - wu-tangtiger MU - 9/9 11:46:17

Tilmon was a top 40 recruit that did not get a sniff from - DHighlander NWMSU - 9/9 11:59:32

he had workouts with several teams. that's a sniff(nm) - TigerA MU - 9/9 12:59:06

Seriously? Getting a workout is not a sniff. Getting - DHighlander NWMSU - 9/9 13:30:34

you have an excuse for everything. it's impressive(nm) - TigerA MU - 9/9 13:57:37

That was Dru and Miami - wu-tangtiger MU - 9/9 13:33:35

And Tilmon was a quick washout regardless. He was not - DHighlander NWMSU - 9/9 13:35:20

Summer isn’t D League (nm) - wu-tangtiger MU - 9/9 13:50:16

yep he could've gone to MSU or UNC(nm) - LamarFrazier MU - 9/9 12:56:22

JT was a top 50 recruit before CM - LamarFrazier MU - 9/9 11:53:21

he was 2nd team all SEC. (nm) - TigerA MU - 9/9 12:56:54

only conference recognition and in his last yr - LamarFrazier MU - 9/9 13:00:05

every year top 50 kids go play overseas. that is way more - TigerA MU - 9/9 13:10:38

so you think JT developed to his potential under CM? - LamarFrazier MU - 9/9 13:39:18

i' m defending CM. i'm defending tilmon. (nm) - TigerA MU - 9/9 14:05:48

Not for players who were ranked as high as he was. - DHighlander NWMSU - 9/9 13:33:49

i saw somewhere he was #43 in his class. i literally looked - TigerA MU - 9/9 14:04:54

I think the coaches, handlers, AAU people would all - FIJItiger MU

- 9/9 11:49:57

Tilmon would recommend it to a recruit. - wu-tangtiger MU - 9/9 11:52:29

Placing blame on myself would be misattributed - FIJItiger MU

- 9/9 11:57:29

this where we revisit where you set the bar for recruits?(nm) - LamarFrazier MU - 9/9 11:54:02

I always have a range that I think they can - wu-tangtiger MU - 9/9 12:03:02

you could be right but also your feeling could be completely - SabertoothTiger MU - 9/9 10:35:58

Exactly. The players themselves aren't interested but the - zounami MU - 9/10 00:23:26

I think CM is very popular with parents which is why he - DHighlander NWMSU - 9/9 10:38:26

precisely (nm) - zounami MU - 9/10 00:23:58

agree. Most parents probably like him a lot and the - SabertoothTiger MU - 9/9 11:04:07

so you agree with me then (nm) - zounami MU - 9/10 00:24:31

Well sort of but I do think he puts in effort. His message - SabertoothTiger MU - 9/10 08:31:47

that very well may be true. but it is still his effort that - TigerA MU - 9/9 10:44:44

Not enough effort... and again, the "interest" probably has - zounami MU - 9/10 00:25:22

He did not sign the Porters, they were coming as long as Kim - DHighlander NWMSU - 9/9 11:52:25

I agree with this too. I don't think its his lack of effort - SabertoothTiger MU - 9/9 11:07:53

and he's too lazy or too stupid to make adjustments (nm) - zounami MU - 9/10 00:26:00

How many are because family are pressuring the kids to - DHighlander NWMSU - 9/9 09:12:45

He has to be the worst recruiter of all black HC's in the P5 - zounami MU - 9/10 00:27:20

Most sign with WA coach. - Sigma MU - 9/9 11:33:16

there are lots of HC of color. why extend it to CM?(nm) - TigerA MU - 9/9 09:09:56

Because their parents like him & feel sorry for him.... - zounami MU - 9/10 00:30:55

A good sign that Coach Martin is working hard at recruiting - Harvest MU - 9/9 07:57:02

No, getting a courtesy visit is easy. Getting an actual... - zounami MU - 9/9 09:09:43

lmao - Cosmo MU

- 9/10 07:58:26

or keeping a 4 or 5 star recruit not named Porter more than - LamarFrazier MU - 9/9 11:54:39

Watson was here 3 years. So was Mark Smith (nm) - wu-tangtiger MU - 9/9 12:32:22

Mark was a transfer. And, Watson staying while - LamarFrazier MU - 9/9 12:57:52

Moving the goalposts - wu-tangtiger MU - 9/9 13:02:03

Mark wasn't a HS recruit. - LamarFrazier MU - 9/9 13:42:19

So he wasn’t a 4 star recruit - wu-tangtiger MU - 9/9 13:51:52

Getting one of his 4 official visits is more than courtesy - Harvest MU - 9/9 09:19:07

Not at all, especially if he already knows where he's going. - zounami MU - 9/9 22:40:48

It’s also his second official to Mizzou (nm) - wu-tangtiger MU - 9/9 09:27:45

lol.. sounds like our chances of landing him are good then (nm) - zounami MU - 9/10 00:48:51

both take effort. getting a commitment takes much - TigerA MU - 9/9 09:18:25

Outside of the year one gift CM received Kim Anderson was - DHighlander NWMSU - 9/9 09:20:12

huh?(nm) - TigerA MU - 9/9 09:21:11

CM got the #4 class year one due to the Porters and the - DHighlander NWMSU - 9/9 10:17:04

Where is Brookshire 163 - wu-tangtiger MU - 9/9 10:27:25

KA had to sign those recruits himself, he recruited them. - DHighlander NWMSU - 9/9 10:30:58

2 of them signed with Haith - wu-tangtiger MU - 9/9 11:00:13

Did he drop or did others rise above him? I know, - DHighlander NWMSU - 9/9 11:54:26

Timing is interesting - wu-tangtiger MU - 9/9 12:05:26

He was at 163 then jumped up. He then fell back to the - DHighlander NWMSU - 9/9 12:07:26

is there a reason you aren't counting tilmon?(nm) - TigerA MU - 9/9 10:23:21

Because Tilmon came after he saw the Porters sign. - DHighlander NWMSU - 9/9 10:27:05

lol, that's so dumb. Coach Cal doesn't recruit anyone - TigerA MU - 9/9 10:38:30

Both of those things are part of the equation but it is up - DHighlander NWMSU - 9/9 12:03:48

this weekend Fuller/Fulford put together for Kim: - FIJItiger MU

- 9/9 08:41:49

Love and Christopher were both 5 star recruits - wu-tangtiger MU - 9/9 08:05:09

CM has had a number of top recruits interested, maybe not 5* - DHighlander NWMSU - 9/9 08:03:10

He's great at everything but player development and winning - LamarFrazier MU - 9/9 11:55:24

The problem is that he's only getting "courtesy interest" nm - zounami MU - 9/9 09:04:07

He has coached/recruited a pretty good number of NBA - FIJItiger MU

- 9/9 08:46:19

I agree that he needs to start closing some of these. - GeorgiaTiger76 MU - 9/9 08:32:55

Believe Trey Jackson is the only top 100 player we - FIJItiger MU

- 9/9 08:47:45

Depends on the site you use - wu-tangtiger MU - 9/9 09:19:25

composite dude - LamarFrazier MU - 9/9 11:56:08

Wu-T does seem to base an inordinate amount of arguments on - DHighlander NWMSU - 9/9 12:11:44

but his development of top 100 players is atrocious - LamarFrazier MU - 9/9 12:59:04

Can you actually support CM without cherry-picking?(nm) - DHighlander NWMSU - 9/9 13:36:22

if Santos had stayed healthy and if he'd hit 45% from 3 - LamarFrazier MU - 9/9 13:43:42

LOL...yup he has this one in his tool kit. nm - Sigma MU - 9/9 14:30:50

There’s only been 2 here long enough to develop - wu-tangtiger MU - 9/9 13:09:40

but but but but now they didn't stay long enough - LamarFrazier MU - 9/9 13:43:03

Excuses? 1 started and became all conference - wu-tangtiger MU - 9/9 13:53:22

Not sure I agree that top 100 doesn't really matter - FIJItiger MU

- 9/9 10:44:28

You need top 50 guys - wu-tangtiger MU - 9/9 11:01:46

That is a good way to create an NBA Jams roster - FIJItiger MU

- 9/9 11:05:20

You are right it takes more than 2-3 guys - wu-tangtiger MU - 9/9 11:44:54

Tilmon/Dru/Pinson were as good a trio as any - FIJItiger MU

- 9/9 11:54:04

They weren’t as good but were very good. - wu-tangtiger MU - 9/9 12:09:23

Not counting MPj, we had 3 top 50 recruits in 2017-18 - FIJItiger MU

- 9/9 12:15:53

3? MPJ, Jontay and Tilmon - wu-tangtiger MU - 9/9 12:30:59

Man, I really mis-remembered on Barnett - FIJItiger MU

- 9/9 12:39:00

Here’s his 247 for consistency - wu-tangtiger MU - 9/9 12:44:05

When did 247 start? I don't even remember it being a - FIJItiger MU

- 9/9 12:48:06

2002 or 2003 - wu-tangtiger MU - 9/9 13:00:40

This says 2010 - FIJItiger MU

- 9/9 13:08:25

I don’t know why you guys use Wikipedia - wu-tangtiger MU - 9/9 13:12:53

That has to be retroactive, there is no way that 247 - FIJItiger MU

- 9/9 13:19:26

So you don’t believe their own website - wu-tangtiger MU - 9/9 13:20:33

I'm not sure you are understanding my question - FIJItiger MU

- 9/9 13:40:38

And I don't believe he ever saw the court.(nm) - DHighlander NWMSU - 9/9 09:18:33

He avged 8.1 mpg as a freshman over 26 games. (nm) - FIJItiger MU

- 9/9 10:55:39

Mitchell is a long shot. - wu-tangtiger MU - 9/9 08:35:56

He is what? Putting guys into the NBA? No he is not. - DHighlander NWMSU - 9/9 08:19:53

There’s more than 2. His number of guys that made the NBA - wu-tangtiger MU - 9/9 08:21:55

There are currently only the two I listed. At least from - DHighlander NWMSU - 9/9 08:46:21

The site you checked is wrong. - wu-tangtiger MU - 9/9 08:49:01

Please name CM's NBA players then.(nm) - DHighlander NWMSU - 9/9 09:04:07

How many times do I have to do that here? - wu-tangtiger MU - 9/9 09:09:57

I listed the three that are currently on NBA rosters. I - DHighlander NWMSU - 9/9 09:17:51

Rabb played at Cal not Tennessee - wu-tangtiger MU - 9/9 09:21:45

Your last sentence is total bullshlt and you know it. For a - DHighlander NWMSU - 9/9 10:24:46

Thing is there are more than 4 - wu-tangtiger MU - 9/9 10:29:03

There are not more than four currently, every program has - DHighlander NWMSU - 9/9 10:34:45

Tilmon wasn’t top 40, but wasn’t far from there - wu-tangtiger MU - 9/9 11:50:45

247 had him at 43. Camp invites are not NBA players. - DHighlander NWMSU - 9/9 12:10:36

Now compare that to non blue blood coaches - wu-tangtiger MU - 9/9 12:29:32

Who the hell on this roster do you think has NBA potential? - DHighlander NWMSU - 9/9 12:34:40

2 guys with the potential are - wu-tangtiger MU - 9/9 12:46:29

Come on! Seriously? Durugodon was rated 233 in his class - DHighlander NWMSU - 9/9 13:44:10

Have you watched them play? - wu-tangtiger MU - 9/9 13:57:51

You put a lot of importance on video of marginal players - DHighlander NWMSU - 9/9 14:28:37

RE: You put a lot of importance on video of marginal players - TONYTIGR MU - 9/9 15:04:37

What you say you know is not actually true - wu-tangtiger MU - 9/9 14:33:47

Right because once a guy 'commits' everyone else stops - DHighlander NWMSU - 9/10 09:30:24

In football players continue to get recruiting after committ - wu-tangtiger MU - 9/10 09:35:39

Research actually shows that he is. (nm) - wu-tangtiger MU - 9/9 08:07:22

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