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No, just like in voting your vote may not matter in deciding

Posted on: March 9, 2021 at 10:19:47 CT
4TigersinMichigan MU
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the outcome. You don't know when you cast the vote. But you do it because it is your chance to provide the best outcome. It is the responsible move. That is exactly the same as the situation in the analogy.

And that isn't even attacking the foolishness of the "non-participation is the only moral choice" argument.
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I will repost this as it helps to understand just how silly - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 3/9 09:23:51
     Is the gunman COVID, and the third person an anti-masker?(nm) - ummmm MU - 3/9 10:11:37
          BOOM! (nm) - ashtray UF - 3/9 10:28:02
     the shooter is responsible, dipshyt (nm) - ashtray UF - 3/9 10:10:29
     IF I were the gunman, I'd shoot the smug guy telling me to - dangertim MU - 3/9 10:02:48
          He needs to go back and watch The Dark Knight scene - TigerMatt STL - 3/9 10:12:02
     What if the gunman was lying and shot the kid because - TigerMatt STL - 3/9 09:55:07
          don't do this. This was a carefully crafted situation - dangertim MU - 3/9 09:58:37
          You are correct - you cannot guarantee the actions of - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 3/9 09:56:08
               what a stupid and absurd conclusion (nm) - ashtray UF - 3/9 10:11:18
               Yet when people tell you - meatiger MU - 3/9 09:58:25
                    Perhaps - or the shooter kills the child - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 3/9 10:00:01
               Not entertaining a criminal is a valid moral choice, - TigerMatt STL - 3/9 09:57:15
     Can't believe that those damn libertarians refuse to give - dangertim MU - 3/9 09:35:22
     The person who pulled the trigger is responsible for the - ummmm MU - 3/9 09:32:59
          Yes, of course - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 3/9 09:33:56
               Okay. Still doesn't change the fact of who is responsible - ummmm MU - 3/9 09:35:50
                    Never said it did or would - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 3/9 09:39:37
                         You implied it: - ummmm MU - 3/9 09:44:21
                              Aren't those of us who participate blamed for the state of - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 3/9 09:46:00
                                   Possibly, but participation is an affirmative act. - ummmm MU - 3/9 09:48:06
                                        Few analogies are perfect - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 3/9 09:51:05
                                             you have to roll up your sleeves to vote? - ashtray UF - 3/9 10:15:44
                                                  don't want to get ink marks on your clothes(nm) - meatiger MU - 3/9 10:17:06
                                             Perfection is a different universe than your analogy. - ummmm MU - 3/9 10:13:14
                                                  They did what they were offered the opportunity to do(nm) - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 3/9 10:14:46
                                                       By a raving lunatic gunman with a gun to the head of a child - ummmm MU - 3/9 10:15:39
                                                            Not all opportunities are great choices - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 3/9 10:16:13
                                                                 you make a great bootlicker - ashtray UF - 3/9 10:23:46
                                                                 And "better of choices" = / = "responsible" - ummmm MU - 3/9 10:17:39
                                                                      No, just like in voting your vote may not matter in deciding - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 3/9 10:19:47
                                                                           It is not remotely the same as the situation in the - ummmm MU - 3/9 10:21:27
                                                                                I respectfully disagree - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 3/9 10:25:40
                                             Would voting for a third party - meatiger MU - 3/9 09:51:55
                                                  RE: Would voting for a third party - Mizzou Lou KC - 3/9 09:59:06
                                                       Our political arena - meatiger MU - 3/9 10:02:22
                                                            Can't argue with any of that...I want to, but I can't - Mizzou Lou KC - 3/9 10:14:30
                                                                 lol(nm) - meatiger MU - 3/9 10:16:39
                                                  So your question is would participating be the same as - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 3/9 09:53:32
                                                       You have said that voting for a Libertarian - meatiger MU - 3/9 09:56:38
                                                            A wasted vote is still a vote - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 3/9 09:58:29
                                                                 because you lack understanding of non-participation - meatiger MU - 3/9 09:59:47
                                                                      Rejecting the argument is not the same as not understanding - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 3/9 10:01:38
                                                                           It is showing how dumb your analogy is - meatiger MU - 3/9 10:16:07
                                                                                I do believe history would show it is a wasted vote - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 3/9 10:17:03
                                   Are you not the one that constantly says - meatiger MU - 3/9 09:47:18
                                        Yes, and we do - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 3/9 09:49:00
                                             no, "we the people" make no decisions - ashtray UF - 3/9 10:34:42
                                             You really have the dumbest analogies(nm) - meatiger MU - 3/9 09:51:08
                                                  And you continue to offer nothing meat - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 3/9 09:54:06
                                                       you're the one providing amusement in this thread (nm) - ashtray UF - 3/9 10:35:03
                    In his example if you had the power to stop it and chose not - DHighlander NWMSU - 3/9 09:39:29
                         no (nm) - ashtray UF - 3/9 10:35:15
                         That's not for certain. But also, it doesn't change who is - ummmm MU - 3/9 09:43:30
                              You are wrong in 4Tigs example though. If you had said 'NO' - DHighlander NWMSU - 3/9 09:47:04
                                   false (nm) - ashtray UF - 3/9 10:44:20
                                   That's not for certain. But again, it doesn't change who - ummmm MU - 3/9 09:48:44
                                   How do you know the gun would not have been fired?(nm) - meatiger MU - 3/9 09:47:55
                                        I will never know unless I try, right? If I say no and he - DHighlander NWMSU - 3/9 10:07:40
                                             So..we should negotiate with terrorists..right?(nm) - meatiger MU - 3/9 10:08:17
                                                  Do you even understand what negotiate means? - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 3/9 10:08:52
                                                       You gave a simple scenario. They are doing everything in - DHighlander NWMSU - 3/9 10:17:46
                                                            now you're projecting (nm) - ashtray UF - 3/9 10:44:55
                                                            That is pretty clear at this point - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 3/9 10:24:31
                                                            LOL, that's rich. - kmawv8 MU - 3/9 10:20:58
                                                            It was him that - meatiger MU - 3/9 10:19:06
                                                       ok..we should accept the terrorists demands - meatiger MU - 3/9 10:09:28
                                                            That is preposterous, even by your standards - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 3/9 10:10:34
                                                                 no, you're analogy is (nm) - ashtray UF - 3/9 10:45:27
                              And certainly politicians responsible for horrible policy - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 3/9 09:45:06
               he wasn't guaranteed that chance(nm) - dangertim MU - 3/9 09:35:50
     You left out moral superiority. - RHAYWORTH MU - 3/9 09:27:36
          you're retarded (nm) - ashtray UF - 3/9 10:46:11
     Non participation is a part of our system.(nm) - DHighlander NWMSU - 3/9 09:26:30
          But the reality is this - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 3/9 09:28:13
               false (nm) - ashtray UF - 3/9 10:46:26
               You're not effectively doing anything of the sort. - kmawv8 MU - 3/9 09:56:49
                    Agreed - and that is my point - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 3/9 10:02:34
                         I just said it's absolutely not doing that. - kmawv8 MU - 3/9 10:04:13
                              Yes, there is something gained by not voting - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 3/9 10:05:21
                                   false (nm) - ashtray UF - 3/9 10:47:02
                                   That is only if they would have voted - meatiger MU - 3/9 10:07:13
                                        Every person who chooses not to vote is in practical - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 3/9 10:08:03
                                             incorrect (nm) - ashtray UF - 3/9 10:47:20
                                             LOL, keep saying it. - kmawv8 MU - 3/9 10:12:43
                                                  I will always state facts regardless of how they are - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 3/9 10:15:41
                                                       your opinion is not fact. FAIL (nm) - ashtray UF - 3/9 10:47:38
                                             not at all(nm) - meatiger MU - 3/9 10:08:55
                                                  Absolutely - every time(nm) - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 3/9 10:09:36
               Are you really that dumb? - meatiger MU - 3/9 09:38:38
                    yes, he really is - ashtray UF - 3/9 10:48:27
                    That is a typical meat post - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 3/9 09:41:16
                         I never claimed to be ummm - meatiger MU - 3/9 09:44:00
                              Of course not meat - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 3/9 09:47:22
               the reality is, nothing I could have done would have - SwampTiger MU - 3/9 09:31:26
                    No, it would have had a small impact. That is how our - DHighlander NWMSU - 3/9 09:36:00
                         false (nm) - ashtray UF - 3/9 10:49:01
                         You are really clueless to our current system - meatiger MU - 3/9 09:43:20
                              We have the power, as voters, to change that system. - DHighlander NWMSU - 3/9 09:58:30
                                   false (nm) - ashtray UF - 3/9 10:51:15
                         zero impact (nm) - SwampTiger MU - 3/9 09:38:43
                         an individual vote doesn't change it either. You're - dangertim MU - 3/9 09:37:18
                              and a single snowflake does not cause an avalanche. But - DHighlander NWMSU - 3/9 09:43:33
                                   look up on how avalanches happen. It's never b/c - dangertim MU - 3/9 10:00:39
                                        Just like any case where a static object starts moving on - DHighlander NWMSU - 3/9 10:15:58
                                             tons of snow, not one. Usually though it's external forces - dangertim MU - 3/9 10:19:41
                                                  who is the lecturer here tim? that's right, not you (nm) - SwampTiger MU - 3/9 10:38:51
                                                  Snow does not fall tons at a time, it falls as single - DHighlander NWMSU - 3/9 10:33:53
                                                       it's a horrible analogy (nm) - ashtray UF - 3/9 10:55:03
                                   A few thousand votes in very specific states. - kmawv8 MU - 3/9 09:59:54
                                        Does that change the fact that the power is there?(nm) - DHighlander NWMSU - 3/9 10:08:45
                                             It's not the power you frame it to be - kmawv8 MU - 3/9 10:14:37
                    That is a different argument than saying there is viture - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 3/9 09:33:03
                         oh yes, and your silly analogy didn't address that(nm) - SwampTiger MU - 3/9 09:41:12
                              Yes, because that is a different arguement - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 3/9 09:44:17
                                   I meant your analogy didn't address the - SwampTiger MU - 3/9 09:46:13
                         Because you ether refuse to actually listen to the argument - meatiger MU - 3/9 09:39:21




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