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A wasted vote is still a vote

Posted on: March 9, 2021 at 09:58:29 CT

4TigersinMichigan MU

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And that is the opposite of the argument that non-participation is the only moral choice. Something that has been stated here many times.

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I will repost this as it helps to understand just how silly - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 3/9 09:23:51

Is the gunman COVID, and the third person an anti-masker?(nm) - ummmm MU - 3/9 10:11:37

BOOM! (nm) - ashtray UF - 3/9 10:28:02

the shooter is responsible, dipshyt (nm) - ashtray UF - 3/9 10:10:29

IF I were the gunman, I'd shoot the smug guy telling me to - dangertim MU

- 3/9 10:02:48

He needs to go back and watch The Dark Knight scene - TigerMatt STL - 3/9 10:12:02

What if the gunman was lying and shot the kid because - TigerMatt STL - 3/9 09:55:07

don't do this. This was a carefully crafted situation - dangertim MU

- 3/9 09:58:37

You are correct - you cannot guarantee the actions of - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 3/9 09:56:08

what a stupid and absurd conclusion (nm) - ashtray UF - 3/9 10:11:18

Yet when people tell you - meatiger MU - 3/9 09:58:25

Perhaps - or the shooter kills the child - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 3/9 10:00:01

Not entertaining a criminal is a valid moral choice, - TigerMatt STL - 3/9 09:57:15

Can't believe that those damn libertarians refuse to give - dangertim MU

- 3/9 09:35:22

The person who pulled the trigger is responsible for the - ummmm MU - 3/9 09:32:59

Yes, of course - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 3/9 09:33:56

Okay. Still doesn't change the fact of who is responsible - ummmm MU - 3/9 09:35:50

Never said it did or would - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 3/9 09:39:37

You implied it: - ummmm MU - 3/9 09:44:21

Aren't those of us who participate blamed for the state of - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 3/9 09:46:00

Possibly, but participation is an affirmative act. - ummmm MU - 3/9 09:48:06

Few analogies are perfect - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 3/9 09:51:05

you have to roll up your sleeves to vote? - ashtray UF - 3/9 10:15:44

don't want to get ink marks on your clothes(nm) - meatiger MU - 3/9 10:17:06

Perfection is a different universe than your analogy. - ummmm MU - 3/9 10:13:14

They did what they were offered the opportunity to do(nm) - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 3/9 10:14:46

By a raving lunatic gunman with a gun to the head of a child - ummmm MU - 3/9 10:15:39

Not all opportunities are great choices - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 3/9 10:16:13

you make a great bootlicker - ashtray UF - 3/9 10:23:46

And "better of choices" = / = "responsible" - ummmm MU - 3/9 10:17:39

No, just like in voting your vote may not matter in deciding - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 3/9 10:19:47

It is not remotely the same as the situation in the - ummmm MU - 3/9 10:21:27

I respectfully disagree - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 3/9 10:25:40

Would voting for a third party - meatiger MU - 3/9 09:51:55

RE: Would voting for a third party - Mizzou Lou KC - 3/9 09:59:06

Our political arena - meatiger MU - 3/9 10:02:22

Can't argue with any of that...I want to, but I can't - Mizzou Lou KC - 3/9 10:14:30

lol(nm) - meatiger MU - 3/9 10:16:39

So your question is would participating be the same as - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 3/9 09:53:32

You have said that voting for a Libertarian - meatiger MU - 3/9 09:56:38

A wasted vote is still a vote - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 3/9 09:58:29

because you lack understanding of non-participation - meatiger MU - 3/9 09:59:47

Rejecting the argument is not the same as not understanding - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 3/9 10:01:38

It is showing how dumb your analogy is - meatiger MU - 3/9 10:16:07

I do believe history would show it is a wasted vote - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 3/9 10:17:03

Are you not the one that constantly says - meatiger MU - 3/9 09:47:18

Yes, and we do - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 3/9 09:49:00

no, "we the people" make no decisions - ashtray UF - 3/9 10:34:42

You really have the dumbest analogies(nm) - meatiger MU - 3/9 09:51:08

And you continue to offer nothing meat - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 3/9 09:54:06

you're the one providing amusement in this thread (nm) - ashtray UF - 3/9 10:35:03

In his example if you had the power to stop it and chose not - DHighlander NWMSU - 3/9 09:39:29

no (nm) - ashtray UF - 3/9 10:35:15

That's not for certain. But also, it doesn't change who is - ummmm MU - 3/9 09:43:30

You are wrong in 4Tigs example though. If you had said 'NO' - DHighlander NWMSU - 3/9 09:47:04

false (nm) - ashtray UF - 3/9 10:44:20

That's not for certain. But again, it doesn't change who - ummmm MU - 3/9 09:48:44

How do you know the gun would not have been fired?(nm) - meatiger MU - 3/9 09:47:55

I will never know unless I try, right? If I say no and he - DHighlander NWMSU - 3/9 10:07:40

So..we should negotiate with terrorists..right?(nm) - meatiger MU - 3/9 10:08:17

Do you even understand what negotiate means? - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 3/9 10:08:52

You gave a simple scenario. They are doing everything in - DHighlander NWMSU - 3/9 10:17:46

now you're projecting (nm) - ashtray UF - 3/9 10:44:55

That is pretty clear at this point - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 3/9 10:24:31

LOL, that's rich. - kmawv8 MU - 3/9 10:20:58

It was him that - meatiger MU - 3/9 10:19:06

ok..we should accept the terrorists demands - meatiger MU - 3/9 10:09:28

That is preposterous, even by your standards - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 3/9 10:10:34

no, you're analogy is (nm) - ashtray UF - 3/9 10:45:27

And certainly politicians responsible for horrible policy - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 3/9 09:45:06

he wasn't guaranteed that chance(nm) - dangertim MU

- 3/9 09:35:50

You left out moral superiority. - RHAYWORTH MU - 3/9 09:27:36

you're retarded (nm) - ashtray UF - 3/9 10:46:11

Non participation is a part of our system.(nm) - DHighlander NWMSU - 3/9 09:26:30

But the reality is this - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 3/9 09:28:13

false (nm) - ashtray UF - 3/9 10:46:26

You're not effectively doing anything of the sort. - kmawv8 MU - 3/9 09:56:49

Agreed - and that is my point - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 3/9 10:02:34

I just said it's absolutely not doing that. - kmawv8 MU - 3/9 10:04:13

Yes, there is something gained by not voting - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 3/9 10:05:21

false (nm) - ashtray UF - 3/9 10:47:02

That is only if they would have voted - meatiger MU - 3/9 10:07:13

Every person who chooses not to vote is in practical - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 3/9 10:08:03

incorrect (nm) - ashtray UF - 3/9 10:47:20

LOL, keep saying it. - kmawv8 MU - 3/9 10:12:43

I will always state facts regardless of how they are - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 3/9 10:15:41

your opinion is not fact. FAIL (nm) - ashtray UF - 3/9 10:47:38

not at all(nm) - meatiger MU - 3/9 10:08:55

Absolutely - every time(nm) - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 3/9 10:09:36

Are you really that dumb? - meatiger MU - 3/9 09:38:38

yes, he really is - ashtray UF - 3/9 10:48:27

That is a typical meat post - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 3/9 09:41:16

I never claimed to be ummm - meatiger MU - 3/9 09:44:00

Of course not meat - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 3/9 09:47:22

the reality is, nothing I could have done would have - SwampTiger MU - 3/9 09:31:26

No, it would have had a small impact. That is how our - DHighlander NWMSU - 3/9 09:36:00

false (nm) - ashtray UF - 3/9 10:49:01

You are really clueless to our current system - meatiger MU - 3/9 09:43:20

We have the power, as voters, to change that system. - DHighlander NWMSU - 3/9 09:58:30

false (nm) - ashtray UF - 3/9 10:51:15

zero impact (nm) - SwampTiger MU - 3/9 09:38:43

an individual vote doesn't change it either. You're - dangertim MU

- 3/9 09:37:18

and a single snowflake does not cause an avalanche. But - DHighlander NWMSU - 3/9 09:43:33

look up on how avalanches happen. It's never b/c - dangertim MU

- 3/9 10:00:39

Just like any case where a static object starts moving on - DHighlander NWMSU - 3/9 10:15:58

tons of snow, not one. Usually though it's external forces - dangertim MU

- 3/9 10:19:41

who is the lecturer here tim? that's right, not you (nm) - SwampTiger MU - 3/9 10:38:51

Snow does not fall tons at a time, it falls as single - DHighlander NWMSU - 3/9 10:33:53

it's a horrible analogy (nm) - ashtray UF - 3/9 10:55:03

A few thousand votes in very specific states. - kmawv8 MU - 3/9 09:59:54

Does that change the fact that the power is there?(nm) - DHighlander NWMSU - 3/9 10:08:45

It's not the power you frame it to be - kmawv8 MU - 3/9 10:14:37

That is a different argument than saying there is viture - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 3/9 09:33:03

oh yes, and your silly analogy didn't address that(nm) - SwampTiger MU - 3/9 09:41:12

Yes, because that is a different arguement - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 3/9 09:44:17

I meant your analogy didn't address the - SwampTiger MU - 3/9 09:46:13

Because you ether refuse to actually listen to the argument - meatiger MU - 3/9 09:39:21

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