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Posted on: April 10, 2020 at 12:18:27 CT
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I practice Sufism. I have been to many Zikrs where upon the Dirvishes turn and turn. I too am a dervish. I have turned as well. In fact, just last December at our local celebration of the international holiday of sort - Rumi's Urs, I took to the circle and turned some. I spent some time speaking with the local Iman in fact. No thing. Just fine people.

To base one's understanding of Muslims base on the example of extreme fundamentalists who practice terror would be like basing your impression of Christians on Southern Baptists KKK members of some years back.
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Trump with a beautiful Easter message and a Pastor - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/10 11:30:03
     if trump really believes is it from love or fear of God? - miz_zou MU - 4/10 12:07:25
          I don't know anyone who believes in God based on fear of God - Spanky KU - 4/10 12:14:49
               Are the godless living in fear of a invisible enemy? - Savage KC - 4/10 12:25:00
                    Likely not.. they are merely living in ignorance(nm) - Spanky KU - 4/10 13:37:26
                    RE: Are the godless living in fear of an invisible enemy? - Savage KC - 4/10 12:30:23
               Absolutely(nm) - miz_zou MU - 4/10 12:17:15
                    an example, please? - Spanky KU - 4/10 12:24:47
                         Love it when you pretend to know scripture because you can - miz_zou MU - 4/10 12:32:29
                              No need to look up your attempt at depth - Spanky KU - 4/10 13:36:27
          Judging someone's heart is beyond our pay grade. - JeffB MU - 4/10 12:13:16
               You bet - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/10 12:15:26
          As you know, only God can judge the heart - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/10 12:09:44
     If there is one thing republigistians love - JG MU - 4/10 11:46:23
          what are libs hypocritical about? Can't wait to hear this(nm) - tigerNkc MU - 4/10 12:05:38
          Most deaths are in NYC. Caused by two dems. - RHAYWORTH MU - 4/10 12:04:15
               Have you met SuxJohnson? He’s an angry, gay millennial. - Emoji Man MSU - 4/10 12:27:00
               There is some real stupid here but you are in the Top 5. - TexJohnson MU - 4/10 12:19:28
                    I'm sorry the truth offends you. - RHAYWORTH MU - 4/10 13:02:53
          and death of the marginalized(nm) - Th8tnTiger MU - 4/10 11:57:50
          👽✈️🚶🏻‍♂️🌋☠️👻 - Emoji Man MSU - 4/10 11:51:59
               You know this tale revolves around a volcano, right? (nm) - Newcatbirdseat MU - 4/10 11:56:31
                    Oh shlt. I’m out of practice. My sincerest apologies to the - Emoji Man MSU - 4/10 12:00:17
                         L. Ron absolves you of your sins (nm) - mu7176grad MU - 4/10 12:04:12
     Don is such an example of a Godly man. - TexJohnson MU - 4/10 11:37:09
          King David killed a man and committed adultry but was God's - TigerFan92 MU - 4/10 12:02:57
               Don't leave out Moses and Paul(Saul of Tarshish), murderers - MizzouTigerz MU - 4/10 12:21:04
                    Saul was ruthless in his persecution of the followers of - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/10 12:27:11
               you know that’s all bull****, don’t you? (nm) - pickle MU - 4/10 12:16:05
          And yet millennials think the muzz are really nice, - hokie VT - 4/10 11:53:41
               IKR. They’d throw my little gay buddy, Sux, off a building. - Emoji Man MSU - 4/10 12:03:01
               Some of the most kind and loving and devout I've ever know - raskolnikov MU - 4/10 11:57:21
                    Have you ever been at any kind of gathering with them? Can - Emoji Man MSU - 4/10 12:06:41
                         Sure I have - raskolnikov MU - 4/10 12:18:27
                              I fear, lest somehow, as the serpent deceived Eve by his - MizzouTigerz MU - 4/10 13:05:25
                              KKK is not a sect of Christianity. - MizzouTigerz MU - 4/10 12:58:37
                              Perfect. Thank you. - Emoji Man MSU - 4/10 12:23:16
               your identity politics are hogwash (nm) - ashtray UF - 4/10 11:57:18
                    that’s collectivism and ignorance for you (nm) - pickle MU - 4/10 11:59:02
                         he and rask are so similar it's fascinating - ashtray UF - 4/10 12:01:39
                              RE: he and rask are so similar it's fascinating - pickle MU - 4/10 12:05:58
          King David committed adultery and murder, yet Our Lord - JeffB MU - 4/10 11:48:55
               That was the Jew's God who did that - raskolnikov MU - 4/10 11:55:32
                    The One True God is the same God. He called the Jews - JeffB MU - 4/10 11:58:10
                         RE: The One True God is the same God. He called the Jews - raskolnikov MU - 4/10 12:03:35
                         spoiler - pickle MU - 4/10 11:59:27
                              A priest once related how he would occasionally ride with - JeffB MU - 4/10 12:07:12
                                   that's dumb (nm) - 90Tiger STL - 4/10 13:10:03
                                   that’s pretty stupid - pickle MU - 4/10 12:14:53
                              So sayeth pickle the all-knowing (nm) - redngray MU - 4/10 12:03:47
                                   feel free to prove there is (nm) - pickle MU - 4/10 12:15:13
                                        RE: feel free to prove there is (nm) - redngray MU - 4/10 13:27:57
               your lord, you mean (nm) - pickle MU - 4/10 11:53:49
                    He's your Lord as well, whether you reject Him or not. He - JeffB MU - 4/10 11:59:34
                         nope. that’s not how it works, Jeff (nm) - pickle MU - 4/10 12:14:01
                              Truth is not contingent upon your acceptance or approval. (nm) - JeffB MU - 4/10 12:15:00
                                   you are confusing faith for truth, Jeff - pickle MU - 4/10 12:17:49
                                        Look in the mirror. (nm) - JeffB MU - 4/10 12:26:18
                                             why? (nm) - pickle MU - 4/10 12:32:13
                                                  You are confusing your beliefs over against the truth. - JeffB MU - 4/10 12:49:56
                                                       not at all, Jeff (nm) - pickle MU - 4/10 12:51:47
                         wrong Lord - ashtray UF - 4/10 12:05:01
               As the old saying goes, I am not a Christian because I am - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/10 11:50:02
                    I can identify with Churchill who replied to a woman who - JeffB MU - 4/10 11:52:35
                         Churchill was a funny dude(nm) - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/10 11:53:24
          If Godly men embrace Venal Sins, then YEAH !!(nm) - raskolnikov MU - 4/10 11:46:49
               There is no such thing as venal sin - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/10 11:49:13
                    My bad - I was wrong(nm) - raskolnikov MU - 4/10 12:12:56
                         Happens to me several times a day(nm) - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/10 12:23:29
                    Oh gosh, so your obfuscation of the Judaic Tradition is - raskolnikov MU - 4/10 12:00:10
                         Judism is a WORKS based religion - tigerinhogtown STL - 4/10 12:08:56
                         There is simply no Scripture evidence of that - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/10 12:03:19
                              Torah is the Bible friend - raskolnikov MU - 4/10 12:07:13
                                   What about Jesus was devout? He taught 2 thing were - tigerinhogtown STL - 4/10 12:14:05
                                        That is one interpretation - raskolnikov MU - 4/10 12:26:56
                                             That is simply not true rask - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/10 12:30:34
                                   The Torah has no record of venial vs. mortal sins - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/10 12:08:10
                    Mortal and Venial Sin? - by Tim Staples... - JeffB MU - 4/10 11:51:17
                         I have and reject the premise based on the Word of God - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/10 11:56:11
                              What about these Scripture passages?: - JeffB MU - 4/10 12:10:51
                                   I can sum in up in this passage - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/10 12:14:09
                                        Luther would be proud. The emphesis, taking a passage - Nohawks KC - 4/10 12:36:40
                                             Most don't draw such distinctions between sins - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/10 12:40:06
                                                  OK, thats fair I guess. I always like to draw out - Nohawks KC - 4/10 12:42:49
                                                       Or as my father used to say all the time - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/10 12:44:43
                         show me one by Jesus, or Paul, or Peter(nm) - tigerinhogtown STL - 4/10 11:53:28
                         It is a Catholic concept - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/10 11:52:27
                              To say anything is a "Catholic Concept" is to say - Nohawks KC - 4/10 12:40:18
                                   I agree Protestant stuff is too often man made - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/10 12:43:12
                                        We've had this discussion and its all good - Nohawks KC - 4/10 12:51:15
                                             Lutherans don't consider themselves protestants - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/10 12:53:09
                                                  Obviously you're not a Missouri Synod Luthern then - Nohawks KC - 4/10 12:57:52
                                                       I actually am - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/10 13:02:32
                              All Christian religions are offshoots of Catholicism. Even - Emoji Man MSU - 4/10 11:55:21
                              fwiw, Our Lord founded the Catholic Church. It is His Church - JeffB MU - 4/10 11:55:16
                                   And over time, they have allowed tradition to be on par - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/10 11:59:29
                                        RE: And over time, they have allowed tradition to b - Nohawks KC - 4/10 12:46:37
                                             I disagree - but it's actually not acceptance - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/10 12:51:05
                                                  Of course I believe in that - Nohawks KC - 4/10 12:54:36
                                                       Faith without works is indeed dead - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/10 12:59:38
                              Did you read Tim Staples discussion of it using biblical - JeffB MU - 4/10 11:53:20
                                   one sin is worse than another only in the eyes of man - tigerinhogtown STL - 4/10 12:01:17
                                        In my reading of Scripture this is indeed the truth - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/10 12:04:36
          This^^(nm) - Th8tnTiger MU - 4/10 11:45:36
          This is the future of our country. Start learning Mandarin. - Emoji Man MSU - 4/10 11:41:42
               Better that than the mess you boomers have led us into. - TexJohnson MU - 4/10 11:45:53
                    You make it sound like boomer has a bad connotation, like - tigerNkc MU - 4/10 11:53:30
                    by all means, compare away (nm) - 90Tiger STL - 4/10 11:52:36
                    what exactly do you want me to compare?(nm) - tigerinhogtown STL - 4/10 11:49:04
                    I dunno, Sux. In many Muslim countries they’d be throwing - Emoji Man MSU - 4/10 11:48:34
                    Who is a boomer? - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/10 11:47:07
          So what is an example of a Godly man? - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/10 11:38:37
               God uses sinners. My pastor would say David was sinner - TexJohnson MU - 4/10 11:44:03
                    Jesus had sin - raskolnikov MU - 4/10 11:49:09
                         he was also fully God and sin and God can't be in the same - tigerinhogtown STL - 4/10 11:51:00
                              RE: he was also fully God and sin and God can't be in the same - raskolnikov MU - 4/10 12:28:52
                              Jesus lived a perfect life yet took the sins of the world - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/10 11:53:01
                                   Why ? - raskolnikov MU - 4/10 12:34:09
                                        The Scapegoat was the forerunner example of the Christ - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/10 12:36:02
                                   but I can now (nm) - 90Tiger STL - 4/10 12:23:50
                                        How so?(nm) - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/10 12:24:18
                                             I can pay the price. I can pay eternally. besides, - 90Tiger STL - 4/10 12:25:42
                                                  Scripture says the wages of sin is death - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/10 12:33:24
                                                       i "will suffer the consequences" - that's what I should have - 90Tiger STL - 4/10 13:00:12
                                                            OK 90 - that is indeed your choice - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/10 13:01:32
                    David was an a**hole - that's for sure - tigerinhogtown STL - 4/10 11:46:27
                         there are quite a number of TB "davids" (nm) - 90Tiger STL - 4/10 11:47:44
                    Sorry bro, but it’s Adam & Eve. Not Adam & Steve. - Emoji Man MSU - 4/10 11:46:14
                         No one could be as much a homophobe as you and not be gay - TexJohnson MU - 4/10 11:47:41
                    Then perhaps Trump is such a man - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/10 11:46:03
                    LOL. - Newcatbirdseat MU - 4/10 11:44:57
     While rejecting women and children refugees - Th8tnTiger MU - 4/10 11:34:38
          huh...I would have sworn this is rags(nm) - dangertim MU - 4/10 12:15:23
               it - Ferg STL - 4/10 12:19:52
               nope - Ragnar Danneskjold MU - 4/10 12:18:15
          He seems to like women and children. Sorry fer yer TDS(nm) - TigerFan92 MU - 4/10 12:03:50
          I prefer MulletGeorge - Ferg STL - 4/10 11:46:35
          oh no, not women and children refugees. A bridge too far(nm) - DollarSigns MU - 4/10 11:44:13
          Paul was a Roman, he got citizenship legally(nm) - tigerinhogtown STL - 4/10 11:42:32
          The state isn't a person, fyi. On the political aspect of - 90Tiger STL - 4/10 11:37:28
          Why would Jesus approve of illegal activity or activity that - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/10 11:36:52
               RE: Why would Jesus approve of illegal activity or activity that - mizzoumurfkc KC - 4/10 11:46:05
                    notice something strange here... - tigerNkc MU - 4/10 11:56:27
                         Yes! I Notice - mizzoumurfkc KC - 4/10 12:02:09
               lol, i'm pretty sure Jesus would be an open borders - 90Tiger STL - 4/10 11:38:57
                    Please explain how border enforcement is unjust. - DHighlander NWMSU - 4/10 11:47:48
                         faulty and illogical analogy (nm) - pickle MU - 4/10 12:00:05
                         terrible analogy - ashtray UF - 4/10 11:54:50
                              And secure borders protect our country. Apt analogy for - DHighlander NWMSU - 4/10 12:03:15
                                   that’s nowhere in the constitution - pickle MU - 4/10 12:39:18
                                   now you're doubling down on being incorrect - ashtray UF - 4/10 12:10:21
                         i didn't claim it was "unjust", I claimed I felt jesus - 90Tiger STL - 4/10 11:49:25
                    Not really - MIZ45 MU - 4/10 11:47:27
                    Jesus was down with legal immigration. - Emoji Man MSU - 4/10 11:44:46
                    His point was that just laws are to be followed - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/10 11:40:13
                         all laws? so if it is lawful to beat women or whatever, jesu - 90Tiger STL - 4/10 11:46:51
                              I said all just laws - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/10 11:51:55
                                   so it's your claim that jesus would find border control - 90Tiger STL - 4/10 11:54:26
                                        Roman citizenship was a huge deal at the time of Christ - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/10 12:02:17
                                             you mean with your interpretation of the Bible - ashtray UF - 4/10 12:08:34
                                                  yup (nm) - 90Tiger STL - 4/10 12:24:27
                         when did he say immigration laws are just? (nm) - ashtray UF - 4/10 11:41:10
                              He did not ever say that - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/10 11:44:53




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