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So God loves us more than the Italians? I am a Christian

Posted on: April 9, 2020 at 18:01:12 CT

DHighlander NWMSU

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but I have always questioned prayer and divine intervention. We are taught that the Christian God is omniscient which means he is aware of my suffering. We are also taught that he is loving but unless I or someone prays to him he will do nothing about that suffering. And even if someone prays to him he may or may not do anything about. That sounds arbitrary to me which is not loving in my book.

I have always subscribed to what I call my Ant Farm view of God. Just like a kid with an ant farm God cares about us and wants us to do well collectively. And just like an ant farm God has the ability to focus on a single on of us if he chooses but most of the time he is just focused on the bigger picture, how is the colony doing? He is not arbitrary or capricious it is just that individually we are usually beneath his notice.

Feel free to attack but this is a view I am comfortable with and it makes sense to me. I think the biggest gift we were given was free will and if God is always looking over our shoulder and intervening then we really don’t have free will at all.

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4Tigs. Serious question, Brother - *M* KC - 4/9 17:28:13

So God loves us more than the Italians? I am a Christian - DHighlander NWMSU - 4/9 18:01:12

yer god is very small almost Matty like(nm) - TigerFan92 MU - 4/9 18:11:34

Faith always looks better to someone when one can feel - jonesin - 4/9 18:08:10

And in our humanity we see death as the ultimate bad - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/9 18:10:03

I don't see death as the ultimate bad at all - who do you th - 90Tiger STL - 4/9 18:10:50

Many do - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/9 18:12:13

I asked you who thinks death is "the ultimate bad" (your wor - 90Tiger STL - 4/9 18:17:07

Well, you run in different circles - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/9 18:30:07

when you repeat yourself and ignore my responses, it - 90Tiger STL - 4/9 18:46:38

So it’s your contention it’s the most feared thing - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/9 18:53:36

read your post and my response and try again - 90Tiger STL - 4/9 19:22:22

i never stated it's the most feared thing, in fact i've post - 90Tiger STL - 4/9 18:58:20

lol nice bubble you live it. keep talking to yourself(nm) - TigerFan92 MU - 4/9 18:20:21

He accuses me of what I cannot see - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/9 18:30:41

try actually reading this - 90Tiger STL - 4/9 18:48:40

you ignored my response entirely above (nm) - 90Tiger STL - 4/9 18:47:10

vapid and unresponsive dismissal, do better (nm) - 90Tiger STL - 4/9 18:21:24

Uh, Prayer is yer connection to God - Uncle Fester USMC - 4/9 18:07:32

If I accept that I also have to accept that he is capricious - DHighlander NWMSU - 4/9 18:20:54

He answers prayers that are in line with his will - Uncle Fester USMC - 4/9 18:34:35

Well, that cannot be proven - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/9 17:44:46

RE: Well, that cannot be proven - *M* KC - 4/9 18:50:31

Did the models project for divine intervention? (nm) - ummmm MU - 4/9 17:41:01

of course not(nm) - *M* KC - 4/9 18:04:18

Why would they? Nm - SparkyStalcup MU - 4/9 17:52:09

They wouldn't (nm) - ummmm MU - 4/9 18:00:32

your patience is.....commendable (nm) - 90Tiger STL - 4/9 18:01:49

RE: Why would they? Nm - 90Tiger STL - 4/9 17:59:10

you have an astonishing knack for ignoring context - - 90Tiger STL - 4/9 17:58:12

Exactly - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/9 17:53:21

No. That was his assertion. (nm) - JeffB MU

- 4/9 17:44:04

I'm all for believing in divine intervention. But I don't - ummmm MU - 4/9 17:46:59

I don't think he's saying that the models are useless, just - JeffB MU

- 4/9 17:52:38

The 2.2M dead was doing nothing. The 200k dead was with - DHighlander NWMSU - 4/9 18:05:02

Ok, it would be interesting to see their old models after - JeffB MU

- 4/9 18:09:22

Oh, I am rather sure you will be seeing some revised models - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/9 18:10:55

The models have been laughingly wrong - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/9 18:07:15

RE: I don't think he's saying that the models are useless, just - 90Tiger STL - 4/9 17:58:55

Although in this case - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/9 17:53:47

Maybe. But I'm not sure we have enough info to know whether - JeffB MU

- 4/9 17:59:56

Initial modes of anything always include a number of WAGs - DHighlander NWMSU - 4/9 18:10:39

At every point in this process the actual results have been - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/9 18:03:25

I think people can do both - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/9 17:49:37

Again, I've got no problem with believe in divine - ummmm MU - 4/9 17:59:58

I said when this began, if and when proven wrong many - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/9 18:04:36

That was a good call on your part. (nm) - ummmm MU - 4/9 18:27:05

nobody ever claimed he is rational (nm) - 90Tiger STL - 4/9 17:47:31

RE: Did the models project for divine intervention? (nm) - jonesin - 4/9 17:43:04

Some here would heartily mock such actions - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/9 17:45:40

I have a saying for those folks... - jonesin - 4/9 17:48:20

Look, let's simply be thankful our founders were not of - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/9 17:51:58

Nice to take the high road. I DO remember Jesus, when - jonesin - 4/9 18:01:27

I know - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 4/9 18:06:30

Lol(nm) - Panthera MU - 4/9 17:38:35

no **** (nm) - 90Tiger STL - 4/9 17:39:50

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