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RE: Courts define fairness all the time.

Posted on: May 8, 2018 at 12:57:10 CT
tjwheeler UI
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You're right. It wasn't fair of me to make personal assumptions based upon disagreement.

I have a hard time telling members of a historically oppressed group of people to "stop complaining" or "things aren't that bad." In my line of work and with my travels, inequities are pretty apparent, and I'm a white lower class guy who grew up in a small midwestern town.

The reality is that the ancestors of white Americans (and therefore us) benefited from the oppression of African-Americans. Go to Charleston, SC and look at the wealthiest old homes downtown. Look at where the middle class and upper class live and go to school today. Look at who has owned those homes and for how long. Their wealth was being made off the backs of poor people of color who were not even provided with the same rights under the law. The system simply doesn't provide equal opportunities to everyone.

Now, is it intentionally arrogant? No. Does it mean you aren't a decent guy? Of course not. Does it suggest we could be blinded by our privilege? I think so.

I do apologize for not discussing this with more civility and equanimity. I need to be better than that.
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Slavery & Prison - Le Tigre - 5/7 15:04:21
     try selling that crap to real slaves..... - Mizzou1990 MU - 5/8 10:20:22
          I tried asking, but couldn't hear their answers - Eggs MU - 5/8 10:37:46
               RE: I tried asking, but couldn't hear their answers - Mizzou1990 MU - 5/8 10:44:20
     Say what you want about Division II, - Downstate UI - 5/8 09:08:34
     The kid has the choice to pay his own way through college - MKrip MU - 5/8 06:58:35
          Doesn't mean free 4 yrs is adequate compensation.* - tjwheeler UI - 5/8 07:25:44
               Compare tuition etc to NBA G League salaries and remember - TigerMatt STL - 5/8 08:22:33
                    Sure, but how does that compare to $1.1 Billion in revenue? - tjwheeler UI - 5/8 11:53:09
                         if it wasn't fair - o'lineydisciple MU - 5/9 10:30:45
                    Good point. (nm) - zounami MU - 5/8 09:00:49
               It does mean they voluntarily selected it over all other opt - Mizzmi27 MU - 5/8 07:50:32
               Sure it is - o'lineydisciple MU - 5/8 07:35:09
                    Goodness.(nm) - tjwheeler UI - 5/8 07:37:15
                         Whats a better alternative? - Hickeytime MU - 5/8 07:55:23
                              Excuse me? - tjwheeler UI - 5/8 11:35:08
                                   RE: Excuse me? - Hickeytime MU - 5/8 11:59:04
                                        RE: Excuse me? - tjwheeler UI - 5/8 12:07:52
                                             My son was a college athlete - Hickeytime MU - 5/8 12:34:17
                                                  I never said they are treated horribly. - tjwheeler UI - 5/8 12:40:00
                                             It absolutely IS adequate compensation - o'lineydisciple MU - 5/8 12:26:06
                                                  It's not a market rate when you can't negotiate payment. - tjwheeler UI - 5/8 12:42:26
                                                       There are alternatives to playing in the NCAA - o'lineydisciple MU - 5/9 10:29:34
                                                       My Libtard meter is going crazy... - Fraud MU - 5/8 12:57:31
                                                            You need to get that meter adjusted(nm) - tjwheeler UI - 5/8 13:05:15
               Are there better opportunities than what the NCAA is - zounami MU - 5/8 07:31:51
                    Huh? Reform & litigation aim to alter the NCAA - tjwheeler UI - 5/8 07:35:45
     Grayson Allen's mom should have been invited to speak about - zounami MU - 5/8 02:41:26
          Why?(nm) - tjwheeler UI - 5/8 03:42:58
               To tell the world that Duke enslaved her son for 4 years. (nm) - zounami MU - 5/8 06:33:00
                    Why did you pick Grayson Allen?(nm) - tjwheeler UI - 5/8 06:44:17
                         He was one of Duke's slaves for 4 years. People should hear - zounami MU - 5/8 06:49:13
                              Dumb(nm) - tjwheeler UI - 5/8 07:22:20
                                   Exactly. That's the point. You really struggle with sarcasm. - zounami MU - 5/8 07:26:28
                                        No, I didn't think it was funny or even witty. Sorry* - tjwheeler UI - 5/8 07:36:46
                                             It wasn't meant to be funny, it was meant to point out the - zounami MU - 5/8 08:04:21
                                                  Since you wrote it?(nm) - tjwheeler UI - 5/8 11:55:28
     The NCAA is about making $$. Period. - tjwheeler UI - 5/8 01:52:27
          What is wrong with the responses in this thread? - Mizzmi27 MU - 5/8 06:44:21
          *making money for non-profit institutions... if that bothers - zounami MU - 5/8 02:27:23
               Agreed. It is about making money. - tjwheeler UI - 5/8 03:42:42
                    Wendell's mom benefited from a non-revenue sport scholarship - TigerMatt STL - 5/8 08:13:20
                         You realize the NCAA=universities, right?(nm) - tjwheeler UI - 5/8 11:56:27
                    well - o'lineydisciple MU - 5/8 07:38:26
                    RE: Agreed. It is about making money. - SideshowBob MU - 5/8 05:15:35
                         Good post.... - zounami MU - 5/8 06:41:55
                         Of course. - tjwheeler UI - 5/8 05:34:54
                              RE: Of course. - SideshowBob MU - 5/8 05:58:35
                                   NCAA revenue in 2017? - tjwheeler UI - 5/8 06:32:29
                                        The NCAA doesnt keep that money doofus. It goes back to - TigerMatt STL - 5/8 08:17:25
                                             NCAA=universities, "doofus" - tjwheeler UI - 5/8 12:00:55
                                        RE: NCAA revenue in 2017? - SideshowBob MU - 5/8 07:57:19
                                             Courts define fairness all the time. - tjwheeler UI - 5/8 12:04:36
                                                  RE: Courts define fairness all the time. - SideshowBob MU - 5/8 12:32:40
                                                       RE: Courts define fairness all the time. - tjwheeler UI - 5/8 12:57:10
                                                            RE: Courts define fairness all the time. - SideshowBob MU - 5/8 14:12:04
                                                                 RE: Courts define fairness all the time. - tjwheeler UI - 5/8 14:15:55
                                        3 of MU's last 4 coaches: Mike Anderson, Frank Haith, Cuonzo - zounami MU - 5/8 07:14:52
                                             How is that related to my post?* - tjwheeler UI - 5/8 07:23:47
                                                  The last sentence. Illinois fans should be more concerned... - zounami MU - 5/8 07:55:47
                                                       What part of - tjwheeler UI - 5/8 11:58:34
                         #MeToo - glue MU - 5/8 05:23:04
                              When will the oppression of white men stop? - tjwheeler UI - 5/8 05:35:22
                                   I have never felt oppressed. - glue MU - 5/8 05:43:04
                                        Not once? What a privilege. * - tjwheeler UI - 5/8 05:44:45
     for free....what a dumb parent....nm - JohnGalt MU - 5/7 22:25:09
     Hope the apple fell far away from that tree........nm - HDTiger MU - 5/7 21:36:05
     So if you leave school are you a run-away player?(nm) - raskolnikov MU - 5/7 20:14:32
     What a complete and total idiot - quicksand MU - 5/7 20:06:32
          bingo(nm) - afleet MU - 5/7 22:04:46
     RE: Slavery & Prison - Colotiger MU - 5/7 17:07:17
     That kind of dumb hyperbole does nothing to advance her - tgr MU - 5/7 16:04:46
          She'll be on the speaking circuit before you can say master. - tigertix MU - 5/7 16:05:29
     Reading that was like a night in prison. - ColoradoBlueTiger MU - 5/7 16:04:21
     slavery is a choice. - dangertim MU - 5/7 16:01:07
          -Kanye(nm) - tgr MU - 5/7 16:06:52
          Hey, the pay was right, the coeds were hot and horny so he - tigertix MU - 5/7 16:03:00
          -Amistad 3: The College Years(nm) - MidMoBaller4Life MU - 5/7 16:02:03
               Five Years a Redshirt Slave(nm) - dangertim MU - 5/7 16:26:42
                    Nightjohn 2: Forced to Read Again(nm) - MidMoBaller4Life MU - 5/7 16:29:58
                         Roots 2: Kunta Violates Team Rules(nm) - dangertim MU - 5/7 16:34:04
                              The Color of Purple Drank(nm) - MidMoBaller4Life MU - 5/7 16:39:57
                                   well.... - dangertim MU - 5/7 16:41:17
                                        Thread closed, Ellen Ripley, last survivor of the Nostromo - MidMoBaller4Life MU - 5/7 16:48:42
               A Spike Lee joint..............nm - tigertix MU - 5/7 16:03:24
     Slaves were forced to work and got nothing in return.... - zounami MU - 5/7 15:40:12
          Being "run" by people of all races doesn't make it fair. - tjwheeler UI - 5/8 05:42:49
               but it makes her statement about the racial composition of - zounami MU - 5/8 07:02:37
                    But not by the same proportion. You know that(nm) - tjwheeler UI - 5/8 12:58:06
          Go on(nm) - MidMoBaller4Life MU - 5/7 15:50:19
     The fundamental task for the NCAA is to - FIJItiger MU - 5/7 15:32:17
          Like they already failed before by succumbing to presuure - tigertix MU - 5/7 15:44:32
               Korleone Young(nm) - FIJItiger MU - 5/7 17:01:17
     Hmm - o'lineydisciple MU - 5/7 15:13:50
          Good post (nm) - Cosmo MU - 5/7 23:31:45
          ^^^^^^THIS^^^^^^^^^^hammer meet nail.....nm - tigertix MU - 5/7 15:45:43
          Perpetual victimhood(nm) - oleMIZZOU MU - 5/7 15:35:55
     all of that is beyond stupid(nm) - ajpe53 MU - 5/7 15:10:17
          Worse, she played basketball & graduated from Ol Miss - Le Tigre - 5/7 15:13:26
               Good investigatory work, I'm sure no one on the committee - tigertix MU - 5/7 15:47:52
                    no detective work - it is in the ESPN article - Le Tigre - 5/7 15:52:16
                         Kudos to ESPN .... Wish I had been on the committee, I would - tigertix MU - 5/7 15:57:50




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