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That 2012 team was imploding in 2011

Posted on: March 15, 2021 at 08:21:53 CT
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Lots of infighting - the players felt like Mike had two sets of rules, one for the Presseys and one for the rest of the team.

English, Pressey, & Dixon all said they were considering transferring/going pro to get away from the situation.

That's something Haith isn't getting credit for - repairing a damaged team for that one season. It still was a flawed team - only 6-7 deep which showed when Kim got hurt against Baylor in the Big XII tourney final - but Haith got everything out of those guys.
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MU coaches by "ceiling": Quin, MA, Norm, Haith, Cuonzo, Kim. - zounami MU - 3/15 07:19:58
     Norm was a better coach than all those combined - Jeff80 MU - 3/15 11:40:41
     Norm was a better coach than the rest by a considerable - FIJItiger MU - 3/15 07:25:30
          MU fans overrate Norm. He was good but he had serious - alwaysright MU - 3/15 07:56:16
               The NBA is entirely a players league and Quin will likely - Jeff80 MU - 3/15 11:45:27
               Won the conference 8 times - 5 coaches since have 0 - alstl MU - 3/15 10:20:34
               One out of every three tournament teams were S16 or higher - STLTIGER MU - 3/15 08:33:32
               Except for Norm v. Roy - Tigerfish MU - 3/15 08:20:28
               Wow! +1 - Sigma MU - 3/15 08:11:37
               His losses in the tournament are over exaggerated - STLTIGER MU - 3/15 08:11:26
                    Won a single postseason game in less than half of the - alwaysright MU - 3/15 08:33:04
                         We get it. You hate Norm .... - Ernie Webb III - 3/15 08:40:57
                              Don’t hate him. Just realistic and don’t support the near - alwaysright MU - 3/15 08:43:55
                              Don't do that. Don't claim he hates Norm or MU because he - zounami MU - 3/15 08:41:39
                                   RE: Don't do that. Don't claim he hates Norm or MU because he - Ernie Webb III - 3/15 08:49:33
                         Would you like a program that gets a S16 or higher every 3 - STLTIGER MU - 3/15 08:35:24
                              Norm underachieved in March. It is indisputable. - alwaysright MU - 3/15 08:41:18
                                   My responses. - STLTIGER MU - 3/15 10:13:01
                                   Another way to look at it. Since seeding began. - alwaysright MU - 3/15 08:58:43
                                        5 S16s or better out of 16 is something we would kill for - STLTIGER MU - 3/15 10:22:46
                                   IMO , we should make the tourney 7+/10 years, win a game - zounami MU - 3/15 08:44:22
                                        Norm exceeded those - STLTIGER MU - 3/15 10:09:00
               Quin is coaching in a different sport - FIJItiger MU - 3/15 08:00:21
                    Don’t disagree with any of that, but in 30 years it might - alwaysright MU - 3/15 08:08:14
                         That is certainly plausible. He is an elite coach at the - FIJItiger MU - 3/15 08:16:18
                              Quin is smart, older, and wiser. He could adapt to the - zounami MU - 3/15 08:19:12
                                   Agree. In terms of college coaches he is probably - FIJItiger MU - 3/15 08:21:24
                                        I respect your opinion, and we can agree to disagree. (nm) - zounami MU - 3/15 08:22:18
               agreed... - zounami MU - 3/15 07:56:40
          True(nm) - alstl MU - 3/15 07:41:45
          I should also point out that's a "ceiling" ranking, and - zounami MU - 3/15 07:39:15
               That isn't a real thing - FIJItiger MU - 3/15 07:43:44
                    RE: That isn't a real thing - Ernie Webb III - 3/15 08:52:34
                    "Norm was a terrible NCAA tourney coach" seems to be the - zounami MU - 3/15 07:45:55
                         Nobody who knows anything about college basketball thinks - FIJItiger MU - 3/15 07:53:12
                              That’s not true. It’s the primary stain on Norm’s legacy. - alwaysright MU - 3/15 08:09:12
                                   correct (nm) - zounami MU - 3/15 08:13:35
                                   By ku fans. What kind of MU fan who actually recalls - FIJItiger MU - 3/15 08:12:57
                                        Again not true. - alwaysright MU - 3/15 08:29:35
                                             Like I said, 1987 and 1990 were bad tourney losses - FIJItiger MU - 3/15 08:37:37
                                             Good points. (nm) - zounami MU - 3/15 08:33:39
                                        You've got it backwards. You might be the only MU fan in the - zounami MU - 3/15 08:15:10
                                             There are lots of MU fans old enough to actually remember - FIJItiger MU - 3/15 08:18:06
                              RE: Nobody who knows anything about college basketball thinks - DollarSigns MU - 3/15 08:07:49
                                   I agree with that position (nm) - FIJItiger MU - 3/15 08:09:23
                                        I agree that you know nothing about college basketball - DollarSigns MU - 3/15 08:23:50
                                             Self being the worst NCAA tourney coach in history is - FIJItiger MU - 3/15 08:25:51
          32 years without a Final Four suggests otherwise. (nm) - zounami MU - 3/15 07:26:30
               Different rules during much of his tenure. - STLTIGER MU - 3/15 07:46:16
                    like what? (nm) - zounami MU - 3/15 07:47:45
                         Had to win the conference to get in - STLTIGER MU - 3/15 07:50:22
                              How many Final Four caliber teams did he have before 1975?.. - zounami MU - 3/15 07:52:18
                                   Well. His first team in went to the E8. Would have been a - STLTIGER MU - 3/15 07:59:39
                                   Here is an example. Look at the week by week national - FIJItiger MU - 3/15 07:54:05
                                        That’s not the story I see there - alwaysright MU - 3/15 08:06:31
                                             Agree, about 50% of the time we are a nationally - FIJItiger MU - 3/15 08:08:49
                                                  No, it means that 50% of the time we peeked into - alwaysright MU - 3/15 08:35:27
                                        There you go. Those were really good teams. - STLTIGER MU - 3/15 08:00:56
               I've seen all of them coach, I don't need vague high - FIJItiger MU - 3/15 07:32:04
                    32 years is a HUGE sample size... - zounami MU - 3/15 07:33:28
                         Remember. You had to win the league to even get in - STLTIGER MU - 3/15 07:47:43
                              His league only had 7 other teams, and the field size grew - zounami MU - 3/15 07:51:09
                         Why would you be certain of that? - FIJItiger MU - 3/15 07:41:44
                              Quin has proven to be an elite coach. He definitely had the - zounami MU - 3/15 07:44:18
                                   Mike Anderson's successor inherited - FIJItiger MU - 3/15 07:48:56
                                        so Haith was just an elite coach who took average players - zounami MU - 3/15 07:53:57
                                             He won National Coach of the Year that season (nm) - FIJItiger MU - 3/15 07:54:39
                                                  Of course. Haith was just THAT elite. Coach K level... - zounami MU - 3/15 07:55:30
                                                       Were you not following MU at the time? - FIJItiger MU - 3/15 07:57:30
                                   Norm built about 9 or 10 Final Four caliber teams (nm) - FIJItiger MU - 3/15 07:46:45
                                        He only had 2 reach the Elite 8... in 32 years. (nm) - zounami MU - 3/15 07:47:28
                                             You point is caliber teams - FIJItiger MU - 3/15 07:51:08
               I mean, it took Quin and MA 3 years to get as far in the - zounami MU - 3/15 07:28:55
     by results: MA, Norm, Quin, Haith, Cuonzo, Kim. - zounami MU - 3/15 07:24:42
          You also way over glamorizing Mike Anderson - FIJItiger MU - 3/15 07:30:44
               in his short tenure, he built two Final Four caliber teams (nm) - zounami MU - 3/15 07:35:32
                    The latter of which, only of that caliber because - FIJItiger MU - 3/15 07:45:19
                         Given that his 2009 team was 6 points shy of reaching the - zounami MU - 3/15 07:46:53
                              That 2012 team was imploding in 2011 - doughboy MU - 3/15 08:21:53
                                   "Haith got everything out of those guys" except a win in the - zounami MU - 3/15 08:23:41
                                        If Mike comes back that roster isn't the same - doughboy MU - 3/15 08:33:50
                                             More revisionist history. (nm) - zounami MU - 3/15 08:36:23
                                        English/Denmon were hurt at that point - FIJItiger MU - 3/15 08:27:23
                                             That's revisionist history. MU was considered a "dark horse" - zounami MU - 3/15 08:35:11
                                                  That English and Denmon were playing injured? - FIJItiger MU - 3/15 08:39:45
                                                       Their "injuries" were overstated and used as an excuse. (nm) - zounami MU - 3/15 08:41:00
                                                            No, they were real and a considerable impact (nm) - FIJItiger MU - 3/15 09:05:57
                              You are moving into the realm of just being silly now (nm) - FIJItiger MU - 3/15 07:49:52
          by recruiting: Quin, Norm, MA, Haith, Cuonzo, Kim. - zounami MU - 3/15 07:25:48




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