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we lost Golden and Ray after 2014

Posted on: May 1, 2017 at 11:07:43 CT

Fire Marshall Bill STL

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and ended up being better

The sum can always be greater than the parts or worse than the parts. All depends on a lot of variables.

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How could the defense possibly be any better in 2017? - 615Tiger STL - 5/1 10:34:27

RE: How could the defense possibly be any better in 2017? - Grrr MU - 5/3 13:32:07

Why not? New players could be better - tigersailor MU - 5/3 09:46:20

"possibly". Haha. (nm) - mizzou john MU

- 5/3 02:32:59

Odom doesn't have the "rookie" excuse anymore. He's expected - zounami MU - 5/1 17:47:09

Correct and you saw a vast improvement in the O - Diamond Dave MU

- 5/1 17:50:35

Isn't that the source of our unease? Great coaches make - samclemens MU

- 5/2 06:42:15

The good news is everyone is overlooking us again - MoGold MU - 5/3 18:54:54

We went from 5-7 to 4-8. A DADGUM DITCH!!!!!!!!!!!!111 - Mothball MU - 5/2 23:05:54

Odom isn't a great coach. He could be a good coach, but only - GeorgiaTiger76 MU - 5/2 08:51:31

Jury's still out. He really screwed the pooch last year - samclemens MU

- 5/2 09:02:49

I agree. Not sold on him being a good coach yet.(nm) - GeorgiaTiger76 MU - 5/2 10:36:38

With such an easy schedule, and assuming Odom has learned - zounami MU - 5/1 18:15:45

I'd be surprised if we're favored to win more than 6 games. - MATO MU - 5/1 21:37:32

As long as Odom has been in the game, how can - GA Tiger MU - 5/1 18:28:37

Agreed, but it's an excuse that people made for him last - zounami MU - 5/1 18:35:43

I would also be disappointed if we don't go 7-5, but there - GeorgiaTiger76 MU - 5/2 08:51:05

I've never graded by record, short term, but in how - GA Tiger MU - 5/1 18:46:48

I grade by record (with SoS in mind) and recruiting. So far, - zounami MU - 5/1 18:53:04

Sounds like a Kim Anderson quote. - Evenflow MU - 5/1 18:47:34

I made minor changes.(nm) - GA Tiger MU - 5/1 18:48:32

Again you're correct. 6 or 7 wins to me - Diamond Dave MU

- 5/1 18:17:41

we will not miss ANYBODY this year as much as we missed - tigerinhogtown STL - 5/1 16:44:25

We may miss him this year too - MakeShift MU - 5/2 09:59:58

brothers made up for the great white StL hope - JayHoaxH8r MU

- 5/1 20:33:07

RE: brothers made up for the great white StL hope-Joke - Stlmetz MU - 5/2 07:28:28

You know i'm right - JayHoaxH8r MU

- 5/2 11:33:03

Four words: regression to the mean - gary_lane_fan MU - 5/1 14:56:03

Lot of truth to that, especially regarding the luck thing, - GA Tiger MU - 5/1 15:38:11

Looking back, last year shouldn't have surprised us - MoGold MU - 5/1 14:20:04

They were gashed by the run, cut backs / miss direction - tigerinhogtown STL - 5/1 13:52:55

missed tackles and didn't make plays on the ball - Fire Marshall Bill MU - 5/1 14:09:39

if you're counting on your 2ndary to make tackles - tigerinhogtown STL - 5/1 14:19:56

Actually, thats what they're back there for.(nm) - GA Tiger MU - 5/1 15:15:19

ok, got it, but you won't stop 1st downs - tigerinhogtown STL - 5/1 16:49:11

Well then, primary is kind of another matter.(nm) - GA Tiger MU - 5/1 18:22:41

no, the secondary has to make tackles on even the best teams - Fire Marshall Bill MU - 5/1 14:26:47

we have some guys at S who don't even get a hand on people - Gamagrass MU - 5/3 09:53:26

agreed, but we still had to many 8 yard plays(nm) - tigerinhogtown STL - 5/1 17:00:14

Our secondary tackling was atrocious - Mormad MU - 5/1 14:59:54

One mistake I see (though I am a bb guy) is when a - GA Tiger MU - 5/1 15:19:54

You'd actually see Penton and Cam - Mormad MU - 5/1 15:42:04

And that's why we've been recruiting bigger kids in the - Diamond Dave MU

- 5/1 17:57:12

Three ways. - ERB KC - 5/1 13:47:32

agree on the pace. I think they were just trying - TigerAviator16 KC - 5/1 15:37:27

#2 - StlOx MU - 5/1 14:09:40

I expect Frazier to be a monster this year - Diamond Dave MU

- 5/1 13:54:26

#3 is a key(nm) - tigerinhogtown STL - 5/1 13:53:41

If it's not we'll be looking for a new coach soon.(nm) - Uncle John MU

- 5/1 12:56:37

It will be better and different - StlOx MU - 5/1 12:13:31

I think they are still making more reads - FootballRefugee MU

- 5/1 12:27:06

Even if that is true - StlOx MU - 5/1 12:38:01

it's almost like you need to develop your team - FootballRefugee MU

- 5/1 12:52:18

Most believe it will be simply because it can't really be - GeorgiaTiger76 MU - 5/1 12:08:06

I expect the interior D line to be much better - mattieo86 MU - 5/1 11:50:22

They're already better than Scherer.(nm) - Uncle John MU

- 5/1 12:58:07

Funny that Beisel never beat him out. - alwaysright MU - 5/3 07:25:59

No way it could be worse. - Evenflow MU - 5/1 11:35:30

I think they're really going to buckle down this year and - Gaseous Clay MU - 5/1 11:24:56

we lost Golden and Ray after 2014 - Fire Marshall Bill MU - 5/1 11:07:43

people deny how big a role attitude and effort have - FootballRefugee MU

- 5/1 10:57:28

exactly(nm) - Fire Marshall Bill MU - 5/1 11:03:38

Scheme change is why it can be better - wu-tangtiger MU - 5/1 10:42:12

I still don't get what happened last year - MakeShift MU - 5/1 12:24:13

how could it be worse?(nm) - SuperTone MU

- 5/1 10:37:27

Things can always be worse - 615Tiger STL - 5/1 12:16:25

that's a bad thing? (nm) - TigerAviator16 KC - 5/1 14:51:52

Were you the guy?(nm) - ERB KC - 5/1 13:49:08

you should go back and check the D stats from - SuperTone MU

- 5/1 12:49:41