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No, that isn't the offer Putin laid on the table. Zelensky

Posted on: August 23, 2025 at 11:19:33 CT
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would have saved at least hundreds of thousands of Ukrainian lives if he had taken the original Russian offer back in 2022, and would have gotten a better deal than he will get now.

But even now, Putin isn't asking for all of Ukraine. His terms have been unchanging, other than now the 4 eastern oblasks have voted to join Russia, rather than retain independence from both Ukraine and Russia.
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Zelensky’s grift continues. When do his people turn on him - ZouMiz STL - 8/23 10:33:29
     He's already very unpopular and there have been protests, - JeffB MU - 8/23 11:27:52
     He is ready for it to end - Bosalphus KC - 8/23 10:34:35
          The problem is no one can make putin give that land back. - RHAYWORTH MU - 8/23 12:55:45
               No one is willing to make Putin give that land back - haeffb MU - 8/23 13:49:12
          That’s war for you (nm) - Panthera MU - 8/23 12:26:38
               In that case why aren’t people - Bosalphus KC - 8/23 12:33:36
                    probably b/c the US isn't funding hamas and the palestini - 90Tiger STL - 8/23 13:48:24
                    Good question (nm) - Panthera MU - 8/23 13:36:36
          At best that is a naïve take on the question of who is ready - JeffB MU - 8/23 11:16:51
               This one will be tough to end. - DHighlander NWMSU - 8/23 12:05:15
               Yeah man Russia is the well intentioned country here - Bosalphus KC - 8/23 11:24:18
                    Who said that Mr Bolton? - Panthera MU - 8/23 12:28:56
                         lol I didn’t say that either - Bosalphus KC - 8/23 12:32:48
                              So what are you for, and how do you think that it will play - JeffB MU - 8/23 16:21:11
                              Who is that?(nm) - Panthera MU - 8/23 13:37:58
                              nobody is fluffing putin, these are self-serving, lazy posit - 90Tiger STL - 8/23 12:53:24
                                   There are definitely posters on here that are soft on Putin - Bosalphus KC - 8/23 12:55:58
                                        this post - 90Tiger STL - 8/23 12:59:33
                                             Should Zelensky just accept Putin’s demands? - Bosalphus KC - 8/23 13:10:45
                                                  Why do you think Zelenskyy has a choice? It's the US and EU - 90Tiger STL - 8/23 13:16:02
                    nobody said Russia was "well-intentioned". Why should - 90Tiger STL - 8/23 11:39:30
                         Because Ukraine is a sovereign nation. - haeffb MU - 8/23 12:10:14
                              Ok, then go over there and tell putin he can't have it (nm) - 90Tiger STL - 8/23 12:53:45
                                   You have a better answer? - haeffb MU - 8/23 13:47:22
                                        Because Russia has taken it by force. Are you like 6 or - MUTGR MU - 8/23 16:42:00
                                        Yes, negotiate for peace. - 90Tiger STL - 8/23 13:49:00
                                             So, because Russia is stronger than Ukraine - haeffb MU - 8/23 13:54:24
                                                  RE: So, because Russia is stronger than Ukraine - 90Tiger STL - 8/23 14:27:03
                                                  Should the US give back all the land it took by force to th - 90Tiger STL - 8/23 14:26:31
                                                  Probably, yes. Unless you think it's the job of the US to s - 90Tiger STL - 8/23 14:25:22
                                                       Why does Ukraine not have nuclear weapons? - haeffb MU - 8/23 14:56:25
                                                            Oh, you don't think it's established yet that invading other - 90Tiger STL - 8/23 15:19:56
                                                                 Because the US and Russia gave security assurances - haeffb MU - 8/23 15:40:48
                                                                      Who said it "started" with Nuland? That was the current - 90Tiger STL - 8/23 15:44:59
                              It does appear that way to us. But if we always saw things - DHighlander NWMSU - 8/23 12:32:23
                              🤣(nm) - Panthera MU - 8/23 12:27:30
                         Why do you always jump in to defend this? - Bosalphus KC - 8/23 11:56:47
                              defend what? I'm pointing out your laziness (nm) - 90Tiger STL - 8/23 12:54:15
                                   lol yeah man so lazy - Bosalphus KC - 8/23 12:57:15
                                        You're pretty sensitive (nm) - 90Tiger STL - 8/23 13:00:15
                                             Why is that? - Bosalphus KC - 8/23 13:10:01
                    You are obviously unaware of the history of this conflict, - JeffB MU - 8/23 11:29:16
          Pvt Bonespurs be damned. Zelensky is fighting to keep - MrTruman2U MU - 8/23 10:52:14
               RE: Zelensky is fighting: He's fighting for democracy, truth - BH O'bonga MU - 8/23 11:59:15
               They're on the verge of collapse. His options are to cut his - JeffB MU - 8/23 11:09:19
                    Should he just give up Ukraine all together? (nm) - Bosalphus KC - 8/23 11:13:05
                         Who said that? why the straw man in every response? (nm) - 90Tiger STL - 8/23 11:40:05
                              It’s just a sarcastic response bro (nm) - Bosalphus KC - 8/23 12:37:43
                                   lazy, do better. It' s a gyro post (nm) - 90Tiger STL - 8/23 12:54:34
                                        ^^^mr active poster guy (nm) - Bosalphus KC - 8/23 12:57:41
                         No, that isn't the offer Putin laid on the table. Zelensky - JeffB MU - 8/23 11:19:33
          Ukraine should keep fighting. They have Russia right where - MUTGR MU - 8/23 10:40:56
               I didn’t say that, so that’s an odd response (nm) - Bosalphus KC - 8/23 11:12:21
                    what, exactly, are you suggesting or proposing? (nm) - 90Tiger STL - 8/23 11:40:34
                         Why didn’t you call him out for his strawman response? (nm) - Bosalphus KC - 8/23 11:57:33
                              It was a sarcastic response, not a strawman. (nm) - JeffB MU - 8/23 11:59:38
                                   So was mine (nm) - Bosalphus KC - 8/23 12:34:21
               They need to recruit Chicago and Baltimore better - Mormad MU - 8/23 10:52:37




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