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Security guarantees = NATO war with Russia unless Russia

Posted on: August 18, 2025 at 22:06:31 CT
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signs off on it.

Their oft stated red lines are a neutral Ukraine & no NATO presence, including offensive weapons near the Russian border.

If Russia doesn't sign off on this, and I haven't seen anything that says that they will, they are going to continue grinding down the Ukrainian military. Nothing will stop them barring NATO troops joining the battle... and that would be foolish in the extreme for the US to participate in.

My vote would be to tell NATO that the US is done with this war. We will sell weapons to NATO as we see fit, but we aren't funding anything and we aren't putting boots on the ground.

If NATO decides to put boots on the ground, I would call for an immediate withdrawal of the US from NATO.

If they want to go to war, they are on their own. The US should not be so foolish as to be drawn into such stupidity.
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Security guarantees - El-ahrairah BAMA - 8/18 18:55:25
     they were always going to be somebody's vassal state(nm) - CulturedDan MU - 8/19 07:57:34
          That would make them vaselines i think. Not sure. nm - hokie VT - 8/19 08:44:27
     RE: Security guarantees: Details matter. They're referring - BH O'bonga MU - 8/19 05:44:06
          How is that different from article 5? Sounds like the ukes - hokie VT - 8/19 05:55:51
               RE: How is that different from article 5? Sounds like the ukes - BH O'bonga MU - 8/19 06:48:55
                    If i understand correctly, and i'm not sure i do, the - hokie VT - 8/19 06:59:23
                         Zelensky dangled a promise to buy $100 Billion in weapons - BH O'bonga MU - 8/19 07:26:49
                              Promises will be made and broken. Not sure where this is - hokie VT - 8/19 07:43:45
     Security guarantees = NATO war with Russia unless Russia - JeffB MU - 8/18 22:06:31
          Pretty good plan, jeff. IMO, we can help the Ukes by - hokie VT - 8/19 05:41:40
          going back to the old cold war - meatiger MU - 8/18 22:13:33
               I'm not sure I understand your position. Are you in favor of - JeffB MU - 8/18 22:16:20
                    RE: I'm not sure I understand your position. Are you in favor of - meatiger MU - 8/18 22:21:33
                         it was lazy snark and naive (nm) - 90Tiger STL - 8/19 09:20:16
                         Thanks. That sounds like a pretty reasonable position. - JeffB MU - 8/18 22:25:58
                              RE: Thanks. That sounds like a pretty reasonable position. - meatiger MU - 8/18 22:30:04
                                   Open and fair elections is actually one of the demands of - JeffB MU - 8/18 22:34:55
                                        RE: Open and fair elections is actually one of the demands of - meatiger MU - 8/18 23:09:52
          RE: Several countries already agreed to protect them for giving - Ozland Tiger LSU - 8/18 20:54:03
     Ukraine will be a proxy state one way or the other (nm) - 90Tiger STL - 8/18 18:57:07




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