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Here's where your talking points conflict. Putin hasn't been

Posted on: August 14, 2025 at 23:00:07 CT
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made to suffer, yet Russia has been humiliated by Ukraine, a much smaller country, throughout this war, its military has been so degraded he relies on criminals and North Koreans, and Russia's economy is in tatters, due to US and EU sanctions.

Russia's military has been severely degraded, but if it somehow is victorious in Ukraine, it will overrun Europe.
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High stakes tomorrow in Alaska. Enormously high. - *M* KC - 8/14 18:31:07
     Here's where your talking points conflict. Putin hasn't been - MUTGR MU - 8/14 23:00:07
          Excellent points. (nm) - JeffB MU - 8/14 23:12:36
     My guess is that they will reach at least a tentative - JeffB MU - 8/14 22:32:14
     RE: High stakes tomorrow in Alaska. Enormously high. - sarasotatiger MU - 8/14 20:22:22
          If allowed to vote on it, Trump & Putin could put together a - JeffB MU - 8/14 22:24:19
     I am fairly confident in saying that nothing will change.(nm) - Tiger_Claw STL - 8/14 20:21:52
     Trump will do whatever Putin says, like always(nm) - FIJItiger MU - 8/14 20:10:05
          Are you seriously this stupid? - OntheMark MU - 8/15 02:36:02
               That isn’t something people older than 10 are intended to - FIJItiger MU - 8/15 06:21:22
               That's obviously been proven false (nm) - Seagull MU - 8/15 06:12:03
          like sending billions and armaments to Ukraine? (nm) - 90Tiger STL - 8/14 20:22:01
               No, doubt that is his mandate from Putin(nm) - FIJItiger MU - 8/14 20:27:39
                    then why on Earth is Trump doing that? (nm) - 90Tiger STL - 8/14 20:43:07
                         6D chess. Putin used Trump to get Europe to increase their - TigerMatt STL - 8/14 20:52:15
                              lol, I think you have it figured out, Matt (nm) - 90Tiger STL - 8/14 21:30:33
                         Aren’t you one that still pretends Trump doesn’t - FIJItiger MU - 8/14 20:46:55
                              you're retarded. and i'm mean that in all seriousness. - blake1771 MU - 8/14 20:50:11
                              Good night, FIJI. Be better one day (nm) - 90Tiger STL - 8/14 20:48:47
          So Trump should renege on what the past administration - Outsider MU - 8/14 20:16:43
               Wouldn't be the first time (nm) - Seagull MU - 8/15 06:13:26
               No, just continue to act as Putins puppet for installing him - FIJItiger MU - 8/14 20:23:05
     Sunk cost fallacy to keep supporting Ukraine. It was - TigerMatt STL - 8/14 19:52:46
          RE: Sunk cost fallacy to keep supporting Ukraine. It was - sarasotatiger MU - 8/14 20:33:42
          Correct on all counts (nm) - 90Tiger STL - 8/14 20:22:28
     Figures he would write a book on - GA Tiger MU - 8/14 19:34:40
          Is it good negotiating to renege on a deal? (nm) - Outsider MU - 8/14 19:38:39
               Wouldn't be the first time(nm) - Seagull MU - 8/15 06:14:52
          what, exactly, do you know about Trump's negotiating? (nm) - 90Tiger STL - 8/14 19:37:51
     KGB operative vs Trump is like,,,fill in the blank - Macgrantt MU - 8/14 19:21:32
          tell us what Trump can lose here. What leverage the US - 90Tiger STL - 8/14 19:27:03
               He has great leverage. Not to bend Putin to his will but - TigerMatt STL - 8/14 19:55:21
                    RE: He has great leverage. Not to bend Putin to his will but - sarasotatiger MU - 8/14 20:35:57
                    That's not leverage. Those are bargaining chips. I agree w - 90Tiger STL - 8/14 20:23:19
          Seriously, what’s to be negotiated? (nm) - Outsider MU - 8/14 19:23:35
     Trump's not overpromising anything. He thinks he can tell if - pinkman MU - 8/14 19:16:09
     I'd like to see Trump go Ronald Reagan on Putin - Ferg MU - 8/14 19:11:10
          America is already bankrupt(nm) - Seagull MU - 8/15 06:16:37
          Reagan made deals with the ussr, sold weapons to Iran, - El-ahrairah BAMA - 8/14 19:12:49
               and he killed the Soviet Union - Ferg MU - 8/14 19:15:43
                    RE: and he killed the Soviet Union - sarasotatiger MU - 8/14 20:45:38
                    jfc, dude, is it still 1980 in your world? I'd love Russia - 90Tiger STL - 8/14 19:21:30
                         Keep dreaming - Seagull MU - 8/15 06:17:51
                         Under Gorbeachev and Yeltsin Russia was - Ferg MU - 8/14 19:29:24
                              RE: Under Gorbeachev and Yeltsin Russia was - sarasotatiger MU - 8/14 20:40:03
                              The US screwed them over and never stopped antagonizing and - TigerMatt STL - 8/14 19:56:25
                                   yes, this is a horrible country - Ferg MU - 8/14 20:00:34
                                        there it is, the teenage girl response (nm) - 90Tiger STL - 8/14 20:23:44
                                        We have an absolutely horrible history. - TigerMatt STL - 8/14 20:04:22
                                             I agree. This country is awful. You should leave - Ferg MU - 8/14 20:11:08
                                                  Just have to expel certain elements, and it would be fine (nm) - Seagull MU - 8/15 06:19:42
                                                  I know you didn’t watch the Chomsky speech.(nm) - TigerMatt STL - 8/14 20:17:41
                                                       I did not - Ferg MU - 8/14 20:22:03
                                                            I’m not surprised. The guilt is very much on Democrats - TigerMatt STL - 8/14 20:28:15
                                                                 Ok I fell really bad now - Ferg MU - 8/14 20:33:27
                                                                      you're being childish. The US is a great nation, it doesn't - 90Tiger STL - 8/14 20:44:10
                                                                           People should want the US to be the greatest nation it can - TigerMatt STL - 8/14 20:54:29
                                                                                Correct - and especially if ignoring those things leads - 90Tiger STL - 8/14 21:33:35
                                                            RE: I did not - 90Tiger STL - 8/14 20:24:03
                              I know they are an ally of China, hence my position, scholar - 90Tiger STL - 8/14 19:31:24
                                   no, Putin has put Russia in that position - Ferg MU - 8/14 19:33:18
                                        what makes you think I'm a fan of Putin? he's a maniacal - 90Tiger STL - 8/14 19:35:59
     Most Ukrainians want peace now - El-ahrairah BAMA - 8/14 19:07:57
     Or maybe Putin will say he’s good with what Biden - Outsider MU - 8/14 19:06:16
     He's not meeting with him to negotiate a "true peace agreeme - 90Tiger STL - 8/14 18:35:39
          You just hate Ukrainians. That's your real reason for - Seagull MU - 8/15 06:23:02




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