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He has great leverage. Not to bend Putin to his will but

Posted on: August 14, 2025 at 19:55:21 CT
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actually end the Cold War BS. Get out of NATO and admit the US has been fvcking around with them for 80 years as part of a power play.

Let them alone and don’t threaten them and Russia is not an enemy. Russia is only an enemy because we made them one.
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High stakes tomorrow in Alaska. Enormously high. - *M* KC - 8/14 18:31:07
     Here's where your talking points conflict. Putin hasn't been - MUTGR MU - 8/14 23:00:07
          Excellent points. (nm) - JeffB MU - 8/14 23:12:36
     My guess is that they will reach at least a tentative - JeffB MU - 8/14 22:32:14
     RE: High stakes tomorrow in Alaska. Enormously high. - sarasotatiger MU - 8/14 20:22:22
          If allowed to vote on it, Trump & Putin could put together a - JeffB MU - 8/14 22:24:19
     I am fairly confident in saying that nothing will change.(nm) - Tiger_Claw STL - 8/14 20:21:52
     Trump will do whatever Putin says, like always(nm) - FIJItiger MU - 8/14 20:10:05
          Are you seriously this stupid? - OntheMark MU - 8/15 02:36:02
               That isn’t something people older than 10 are intended to - FIJItiger MU - 8/15 06:21:22
               That's obviously been proven false (nm) - Seagull MU - 8/15 06:12:03
          like sending billions and armaments to Ukraine? (nm) - 90Tiger STL - 8/14 20:22:01
               No, doubt that is his mandate from Putin(nm) - FIJItiger MU - 8/14 20:27:39
                    then why on Earth is Trump doing that? (nm) - 90Tiger STL - 8/14 20:43:07
                         6D chess. Putin used Trump to get Europe to increase their - TigerMatt STL - 8/14 20:52:15
                              lol, I think you have it figured out, Matt (nm) - 90Tiger STL - 8/14 21:30:33
                         Aren’t you one that still pretends Trump doesn’t - FIJItiger MU - 8/14 20:46:55
                              you're retarded. and i'm mean that in all seriousness. - blake1771 MU - 8/14 20:50:11
                              Good night, FIJI. Be better one day (nm) - 90Tiger STL - 8/14 20:48:47
          So Trump should renege on what the past administration - Outsider MU - 8/14 20:16:43
               Wouldn't be the first time (nm) - Seagull MU - 8/15 06:13:26
               No, just continue to act as Putins puppet for installing him - FIJItiger MU - 8/14 20:23:05
     Sunk cost fallacy to keep supporting Ukraine. It was - TigerMatt STL - 8/14 19:52:46
          RE: Sunk cost fallacy to keep supporting Ukraine. It was - sarasotatiger MU - 8/14 20:33:42
          Correct on all counts (nm) - 90Tiger STL - 8/14 20:22:28
     Figures he would write a book on - GA Tiger MU - 8/14 19:34:40
          Is it good negotiating to renege on a deal? (nm) - Outsider MU - 8/14 19:38:39
               Wouldn't be the first time(nm) - Seagull MU - 8/15 06:14:52
          what, exactly, do you know about Trump's negotiating? (nm) - 90Tiger STL - 8/14 19:37:51
     KGB operative vs Trump is like,,,fill in the blank - Macgrantt MU - 8/14 19:21:32
          tell us what Trump can lose here. What leverage the US - 90Tiger STL - 8/14 19:27:03
               He has great leverage. Not to bend Putin to his will but - TigerMatt STL - 8/14 19:55:21
                    RE: He has great leverage. Not to bend Putin to his will but - sarasotatiger MU - 8/14 20:35:57
                    That's not leverage. Those are bargaining chips. I agree w - 90Tiger STL - 8/14 20:23:19
          Seriously, what’s to be negotiated? (nm) - Outsider MU - 8/14 19:23:35
     Trump's not overpromising anything. He thinks he can tell if - pinkman MU - 8/14 19:16:09
     I'd like to see Trump go Ronald Reagan on Putin - Ferg MU - 8/14 19:11:10
          America is already bankrupt(nm) - Seagull MU - 8/15 06:16:37
          Reagan made deals with the ussr, sold weapons to Iran, - El-ahrairah BAMA - 8/14 19:12:49
               and he killed the Soviet Union - Ferg MU - 8/14 19:15:43
                    RE: and he killed the Soviet Union - sarasotatiger MU - 8/14 20:45:38
                    jfc, dude, is it still 1980 in your world? I'd love Russia - 90Tiger STL - 8/14 19:21:30
                         Keep dreaming - Seagull MU - 8/15 06:17:51
                         Under Gorbeachev and Yeltsin Russia was - Ferg MU - 8/14 19:29:24
                              RE: Under Gorbeachev and Yeltsin Russia was - sarasotatiger MU - 8/14 20:40:03
                              The US screwed them over and never stopped antagonizing and - TigerMatt STL - 8/14 19:56:25
                                   yes, this is a horrible country - Ferg MU - 8/14 20:00:34
                                        there it is, the teenage girl response (nm) - 90Tiger STL - 8/14 20:23:44
                                        We have an absolutely horrible history. - TigerMatt STL - 8/14 20:04:22
                                             I agree. This country is awful. You should leave - Ferg MU - 8/14 20:11:08
                                                  Just have to expel certain elements, and it would be fine (nm) - Seagull MU - 8/15 06:19:42
                                                  I know you didn’t watch the Chomsky speech.(nm) - TigerMatt STL - 8/14 20:17:41
                                                       I did not - Ferg MU - 8/14 20:22:03
                                                            I’m not surprised. The guilt is very much on Democrats - TigerMatt STL - 8/14 20:28:15
                                                                 Ok I fell really bad now - Ferg MU - 8/14 20:33:27
                                                                      you're being childish. The US is a great nation, it doesn't - 90Tiger STL - 8/14 20:44:10
                                                                           People should want the US to be the greatest nation it can - TigerMatt STL - 8/14 20:54:29
                                                                                Correct - and especially if ignoring those things leads - 90Tiger STL - 8/14 21:33:35
                                                            RE: I did not - 90Tiger STL - 8/14 20:24:03
                              I know they are an ally of China, hence my position, scholar - 90Tiger STL - 8/14 19:31:24
                                   no, Putin has put Russia in that position - Ferg MU - 8/14 19:33:18
                                        what makes you think I'm a fan of Putin? he's a maniacal - 90Tiger STL - 8/14 19:35:59
     Most Ukrainians want peace now - El-ahrairah BAMA - 8/14 19:07:57
     Or maybe Putin will say he’s good with what Biden - Outsider MU - 8/14 19:06:16
     He's not meeting with him to negotiate a "true peace agreeme - 90Tiger STL - 8/14 18:35:39
          You just hate Ukrainians. That's your real reason for - Seagull MU - 8/15 06:23:02




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