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Posted on: August 14, 2025 at 16:50:11 CT
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billions in military & financial aid from the US & NATO, not to mention training and logistics support from both as well.

Additional hundreds of billions wouldn't reverse the situation. The war in Ukraine is lost. They will never be able to push Russia out of Ukraine sans US &/or NATO boots on the ground, and even that might not be sufficient.

btw, the US has depleted its weapons stockpile & cannot keep up with the demand for missiles & anti-missile batteries. They had to have NATO allies send Ukraine some that were protecting their countries with the US promise to replace them... in several years, when they can catch up. Ukraine is already drafting 16 year olds and throwing them untrained into the meat grinder... they can't hold on for a few more years while the US tries to ramp up production.

The US & Israel were already running low on defensive missiles after the battles with the Houthis & then the disasterous 7 Day Iran War when missiles were raining down on Israel.

We are not on a wartime production level for those... and if China decides now would be a good time to take over Taiwan... and the Israel/Iran conflict boils over again, the US just can't fight wars against significant powers on 3 fronts.

Edited by JeffB at 16:55:55 on 08/14/25
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Putin Hints At Expected Nuclear Arms Treaty Breakthrough - JeffB MU - 8/14 16:25:29
     He is playing Trump and the US(nm) - raskolnikov MU - 8/14 16:29:24
          Here's Joe Biden on the Russian invasion - 90Tiger STL - 8/14 17:49:18
               It wasn’t a minor incursion (nm) - haeffb MU - 8/14 18:38:55
                    That’s the point, how does anyone know what - Outsider MU - 8/14 19:02:01
                    ya think? (nm) - 90Tiger STL - 8/14 19:00:28
                         Which leads to the question - haeffb MU - 8/14 19:01:40
                              It gave Putin a green light to invade, did it not? (nm) - Outsider MU - 8/14 19:03:00
                                   Nah. (nm) - haeffb MU - 8/14 19:06:06
                                        well, did "don't" stop him? (nm) - 90Tiger STL - 8/14 19:08:07
                                             No. (nm) - haeffb MU - 8/14 19:13:41
                                        Putin seems to disagree. (nm) - Outsider MU - 8/14 19:06:53
                                             Why woud I care what Putin thinks? (nm) - haeffb MU - 8/14 19:08:04
                                                  You don’t. Seems odd you are in this discussion. (nm) - Outsider MU - 8/14 19:10:04
                                                       Why are Biden’s comments - haeffb MU - 8/14 19:13:12
                                                            oh, it happened, just not how Biden perceived it. You're - 90Tiger STL - 8/14 19:23:57
                                                                 RE: oh, it happened, just not how Biden perceived it. You're - haeffb MU - 8/14 19:27:16
                                                                      RE: oh, it happened, just not how Biden perceived it. You're - 90Tiger STL - 8/14 19:32:36
                                                                           Let’s just stipulate - haeffb MU - 8/14 19:34:43
                                                                                So anything short of that is good…right? (nm) - Outsider MU - 8/14 19:37:23
                                                                                     Irrelevant - haeffb MU - 8/14 19:38:19
                                                                                          The US told Putin we were good with his invasion, but - Outsider MU - 8/14 19:41:34
                                                                                               more critically, did putin know what terrible consequence wo - 90Tiger STL - 8/14 19:43:48
                                                                                                    You’d have done what - haeffb MU - 8/14 19:46:25
                                                                                                         Gosh, I don't know haeff, what should Trump do, Threaten - 90Tiger STL - 8/14 20:26:24
                                                                                                              My position here - haeffb MU - 8/14 20:34:54
                                                                                                                   No, the real point was that Biden was willing to accept a - 90Tiger STL - 8/14 20:46:32
                                                                                                         So what do you expect Trump to do? Honor the deal - Outsider MU - 8/14 19:49:58
                                                                                                         Meatedit. (nm) - haeffb MU - 8/14 19:47:46
                                                                                Everyone knows that other than Joe Biden, heaff (nm) - 90Tiger STL - 8/14 19:36:50
                                                                                     RE: Everyone knows that other than Joe Biden, heaff (nm) - haeffb MU - 8/14 19:37:49
                                                            Oh, well clearly you have a take no one has considered… - Outsider MU - 8/14 19:15:09
                                                                 Oh well clearly you aren’t capable of answering - haeffb MU - 8/14 19:16:33
                                                                      I’m sorry, don’t mean to be difficult. What question? (nm) - Outsider MU - 8/14 19:18:55
                                                                           Sigh. Never mind. (nm) - haeffb MU - 8/14 19:21:19
                                                                                that's what i thought when you typed this - 90Tiger STL - 8/14 19:28:06
                                                                                That’s what I thought. (nm) - Outsider MU - 8/14 19:22:36
                                                  Well, he's currently engaged in a 3 year war with Ukraine - 90Tiger STL - 8/14 19:09:38
               Of course he did. So Putin is only taking what Biden said - Outsider MU - 8/14 17:53:17
               so i ask - how did joe biden held Vlad accountable? (nm) - 90Tiger STL - 8/14 17:50:00
          Trump has been desperately trying to distract for weeks - Macgrantt MU - 8/14 17:19:10
               ^^CPE(nm) - Panthera MU - 8/14 17:57:25
               man, you're pretty broken. this war happened on biden's wa - 90Tiger STL - 8/14 17:42:50
                    You're tangential & demented, wasn't talking about a war - Macgrantt MU - 8/14 18:00:26
                         Is tangential a new word you just learned? - Calca STL - 8/14 19:02:27
                         read the OP, creampie. your post stated trump is only meeti - 90Tiger STL - 8/14 18:26:42
               When Biden said he was good with a “minor incursion,” - Outsider MU - 8/14 17:28:54
                    Your post is tangential to my post. Do you even read others? - Macgrantt MU - 8/14 18:01:39
                         RE: Your post is tangential to my post. Do you even read others? - 90Tiger STL - 8/14 18:26:55
                              AND, you don't know what "tangential" means (nm) - 90Tiger STL - 8/14 18:27:09
                                   Of course not, it's only been part of my mental status exam - Macgrantt MU - 8/14 21:07:17
                                        it's good you found god and the humility, generosity, compa - 90Tiger STL - 8/14 21:39:10
                                             It's God not god, illiterate, Godless, chromogen - Macgrantt MU - 8/14 22:18:03
                                                  it isn't "God" to me; I'm not a hypocrite. Thinking that - 90Tiger STL - 8/14 22:44:57
                         So you have no clue what Joe said Putin could take? (nm) - Outsider MU - 8/14 18:09:05
                              A post about DJT distracting has 0 to do with Biden - Macgrantt MU - 8/14 18:13:24
                                   Reminds me of when you try to distract people from stage 3(nm) - Calca STL - 8/14 19:03:32
                                   I just find it curious that you people want to blame - Outsider MU - 8/14 18:27:54
                                        Who's you people? I'm not Black. - Macgrantt MU - 8/14 21:14:29
                                   RE: A post about DJT distracting has 0 to do with Biden - 90Tiger STL - 8/14 18:27:23
               Speculating on alternative motives a president may have - JeffB MU - 8/14 17:26:33
          RE: He is playing Trump and the US(nm) - Breadtruck MU - 8/14 17:06:45
          How did those Putin/Biden negotiations go? (nm) - Outsider MU - 8/14 16:45:56
               Guess is that Biden would not meet with wanted war criminal(nm) - raskolnikov MU - 8/14 17:18:51
                    effective, clearly. War started with biden in office and ra - 90Tiger STL - 8/14 17:43:49
                    He would ask for an ice cream if he did. Of course he - JeffB MU - 8/14 17:34:02
          In what way? If you were president, or king, and could - JeffB MU - 8/14 16:37:43
               Yes I fight against Totalitarian aggression and no . . . - raskolnikov MU - 8/14 16:44:18
                    So Biden gave the ok to Putin to invade… - Outsider MU - 8/14 17:38:50
                    LOL! You’re an absolute authoritarian whose only problem - Bulldog Bob Brown STL - 8/14 17:04:42
                         I grew up in a world dominated by WWII, not fascist fans(nm) - raskolnikov MU - 8/14 17:19:47
                              I did too. Is there some point you’re trying to make? - Bulldog Bob Brown STL - 8/14 17:53:43
                              Did you know that there are a significant number of actual - JeffB MU - 8/14 17:28:03
                    that's an horrific, immoral, unsustainable, Dick Cheney answ - 90Tiger STL - 8/14 16:53:18
                         That would be "a horrific" not "an horrific" and it is mine - raskolnikov MU - 8/14 16:57:29
                              I'm old school with my English at times, nanny (nm) - 90Tiger STL - 8/14 20:47:17
                              He's pointing out that you and Dick Cheney - Wildcat KSU - 8/14 17:02:11
                                   If Cheney thinks that expansionist Totalitarians should be - raskolnikov MU - 8/14 17:21:01
                                        Obama & Biden intentionally antagonized Russia, - JeffB MU - 8/14 17:31:53
                    Ukraine was getting its butt kicked despite hundreds of - JeffB MU - 8/14 16:50:11
                         That is simply false - raskolnikov MU - 8/14 16:56:28
                              That's not what multiple military experts are saying from - JeffB MU - 8/14 17:00:53
                              You do understand - Wildcat KSU - 8/14 16:59:44
                    Your just making up what you want to be true. - GODZILLA MU - 8/14 16:47:09
                         Like what I am "just making up" and being anti-war does not - raskolnikov MU - 8/14 16:58:49
                              You’re not anti war(nm) - Panthera MU - 8/14 18:40:04
                              It's not your nation - Wildcat KSU - 8/14 17:00:23
                                   Why is he acting like an invasion of a country is a big deal - Outsider MU - 8/14 17:10:16
                                        Should the world battle against all nations involved in - JeffB MU - 8/14 17:18:07
                                        It's quite the pretzel - Wildcat KSU - 8/14 17:16:42
                    How was Russia on its heels? - Wildcat KSU - 8/14 16:45:12
                         RE: How was Russia on its heels? - raskolnikov MU - 8/14 17:00:02




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