RE: Again, you start with unquestioned beliefs as to why you

Posted on: February 3, 2025 at 03:42:14 CT

I never once mentioned the degree of economic lifestyle or the economic level my family/friends need for happiness, you are making some large assumptions on my economic status and whether I or mine achieve happiness that way at all.

First and Foremost I am well versed on the subject of Psychological materialism. I know all about Edward Bernays, the nephew of Freud, and how he used those techniques at the behest of corporate America to bring upon the rise of Materialism and the onset of consumerism and one seeing themselves superficially in America. And the hole of unhappiness this creates... in women at a high level no doubt.

For context I am very content to live a modest lifestyle with my basic needs being met with a few luxury's. I would wager I live a more modest life than you. I have dedicated my life to Social Service, first as a income maintenance worker determining eligibility for the so-called poor, and then moving into the Mental Health field for the last 30ish years.

The lifestyle I mentioned has nothing to do with consumerism. It has to do with the ability to not be in fear of poverty, disease and authoritarian control. People who are not in fear of their basic needs not being met tend to be happy and well adjusted. Poverty leads to unhappiness and physical and emotional tolls. Not having your basic needs being met has ramifications that are to long to list. I'm not talking about being American poor where not having a Cell Phone or internet is being poor....

To achieve that you need capitalism and you have to have massive resources to Defend your country and the economic systems in place to Keep the Wolves at bay. That is the reality...

It is clear your philosophical beliefs and ideology cloud your reason and judgement on this subject.

To even begin to think that 8 billion people can come to some common ground and desire to coexist in some commune cooperative system is near religious insanity. It goes against the very nature of the human animal.

And let me point out Your tribe is not Arbitrary at all that is a incorrect statement. I point out tribalism is the Norm or Status quo because all Facts and Data point to that being reality. It's not intellectually being lazy when all evidence points to that being the truth and then stating it.

Tribalism has nothing to do with Western Culture at all.


Those studies I site are hard science using brain mapping that shows the amygdala/ACC/DLFPC process all of those factors I previously pointed out as threats and then invoke flight or fight responses. This is how people of all ages perceive and process the "other". To dismiss that as not being the Norm or historically accurate is intellectually being dishonest. Again Tribalism is genetically encoded in us. For survival of those closely related to us the Family Group and then the Extended Family. This is not really debatable.

To think on a Grand scale humans in mass want to or desire to examine their lives or question what they believe is not reality at all.

You are being ideological and illogical in the Sense you assume and believe, without evidence, people are willing to or desire to do existential self examination, or if that is even something the average human can do or should do to survive and prosper in their short lifespan.

In reality this type of self reflection is the luxury afforded only to those in our position of wealth based upon consumerism when our every basic need and comfort is provided to us with minimal labor and time constraints, so people can explore the things you mentioned, most poverty ridden folks are to busy living and dying to have time to explore the things you like to talk about... your hubris in this regard is showing .

Also Your example on War also don't pass muster. Sure when a external threat is possible like in war, tribal groups who hate and dislike each other will come together for Self Preservation, but that does not remove on a grand scale the tribalism that exist from within. And the return to tribalism after the threat is defeated or the groups are conquered will return.



Example: Even today did you know that almost 90% of Black people reside in 75-80 counties in the U.S.!! I suspect you could do this break down for Jews, Muslims, Hispanics, Asians etc. as well. Tribalism is alive and well as the Norm across the Globe as it always has been and always will be. Globalization will only make it worse not better.


I had to giggle at your fantasy that education can some how wipe away human nature and remove the most basic instincts hardwired into our genetic code for survival and to not be tribal. People psychologically often resist change and resist overt education. These techniques often create division and galvanize the masses to the "other" side.


It is I who doesn't live in ignorance and delusions. I see the truth that people are never in our history of the human race not going to be biased, bigoted and tribal. It is who we are you can't buck millions of years of evolution with some BS talking points, religion and activism.

It is you who is the slave... A slave to a impossible dream and vision that cannot ever be.

And I am free because I acknowledge the fact and realities of life and human nature and therefore I have zero emotional or intellectual issues with those outside of my tribes being in suffering and plight. It has no effect upon me at all.

My only concern is to maintain the status quo for America for as long as possible, so my people aka Americans never endure any of those things.

While you clearly are invested emotionally in the Coming together of all man kind in some Religious/Socialist/Communist hive like existence or utopia. That is not how our physical existence works.




Edited by THEGROVE68 at 04:27:08 on 02/03/25