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meh, even when talent fell into his lap he underachieved.

Posted on: April 12, 2022 at 11:47:12 CT
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and honestly, none of these things can really be evaluated on its own.

he needed superior talent to succeed because his coaching was a liability.

his coaching was a liability because his entire philosophy of minimizing the game limited his options.

this philosophy and style of play made it difficult to attract legitimate athletes with any talent.

this lack of talent made it harder to succeed because his coaching was a liability...

and round and round it goes.

folks were quick to try and grab one of those and turn it into an excuse for him, when in reality they're all inter-related weaknesses that led to his incredibly predictable demise.

ultimately the dude had more weaknesses than he did strengths, and those weaknesses were glaring. debating which of those weaknesses was his greatest weakness is futile.
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If - OGT MU - 4/12 09:53:48
     Mostly true but Haith devastated recruiting by being investi - TigerFan92 STL - 4/12 13:09:54
          so why was LSU able to hire the McMahon? LSU players - OGT MU - 4/12 13:18:25
               Its a retroactive narrative subscribed to by some of - FIJItiger MU - 4/12 13:54:11
     Ah, Kipling. nm - Lovely Rita STL - 4/12 11:09:49
     Agree, with some more fortunate breaks he could have gotten - FIJItiger MU - 4/12 11:00:28
          Willie Jackson was a big loss and Gill-Caesar was never the - OGT MU - 4/12 11:13:43
               Certainly both events are among the top 75 - FIJItiger MU - 4/12 11:33:41
     JWIII transferred because several of his teammates were - alstl MU - 4/12 10:32:47
          who chewed out Geist? - Fire Marshall Bill MU - 4/12 11:29:17
               Kim - Geist and Williams weren't teammates were they? - alstl MU - 4/12 12:16:50
                    you lost respect for a coach for chewing out a kid?(nm) - Fire Marshall Bill MU - 4/12 12:18:35
                         I played football for a coach in Texas who wouldn't give me - alstl MU - 4/12 12:34:35
                              if there is a relationship there - Fire Marshall Bill MU - 4/12 12:38:11
          Geist always worked hard but his first two seasons he was a - DHighlander NWMSU - 4/12 11:05:18
               His turnover rate was only high his second season - wu-tangtiger MU - 4/12 12:04:02
     I think the big IF in Kim's era was Illinois - o'lineydisciple MU - 4/12 10:25:48
     The craziest thing about the Cuonzo era - Tigerfish MU - 4/12 10:15:08
          Kim wasn’t a better recruiter - wu-tangtiger MU - 4/12 10:16:16
               I don't think you understand what a recruiter does. - DHighlander NWMSU - 4/12 10:18:50
                    Kim landed several 4* recruits somehow.(nm) - SuperTone MU - 4/12 13:57:12
                         None really did anything - wu-tangtiger MU - 4/12 14:39:30
                    RE: I don't think you understand what a recruiter does. - MUKdC MU - 4/12 10:52:31
                         RE: I don't think you understand what a recruiter does. - FIJItiger MU - 4/12 14:06:44
                         Agree. I think we all believed Kim to be a better coach - DHighlander NWMSU - 4/12 11:02:38
                              At CMSU he feasted on D-I transfers moving down to D-2 - doughboy MU - 4/12 12:35:59
                              RE: Agree. I think we all believed Kim to be a better coach - FIJItiger MU - 4/12 11:06:25
                    Winning is how you can tell how good - wu-tangtiger MU - 4/12 10:21:43
                         No winning is a combination of recruiting and coaching. - DHighlander NWMSU - 4/12 10:48:50
                              just looking at what rankings? - kmawv8 MU - 4/12 11:09:55
                                   His first class had nothing to do with him. Even if you - DHighlander NWMSU - 4/12 11:12:40
                                        I didn't dive into it completely, but he seemed to sign - kmawv8 MU - 4/12 11:33:58
                                             True but for comparison purposes as long as it is standard - DHighlander NWMSU - 4/12 11:39:51
                                                  Rivals has him getting credit for the Class of 13 - kmawv8 MU - 4/12 11:55:25
                              Pinkle and Anderson were examples of guys that were good - wu-tangtiger MU - 4/12 11:08:01
                                   They were good at targeting players for their system. Their - DHighlander NWMSU - 4/12 11:15:36
                                        That’s what a good recruiter is. - wu-tangtiger MU - 4/12 11:25:22
                                             No that is what intelligent coaches do when they know they - DHighlander NWMSU - 4/12 11:48:18
                                                  Both those guys did land the big names - wu-tangtiger MU - 4/12 11:57:53
                         So you have to ignore in game coaching ability?? nm - CapeKevin MU - 4/12 10:24:13
                              It’s a lesser factor. - wu-tangtiger MU - 4/12 10:28:55
                                   Player Evaluation (or lack of) was CM's Biggest Weakness(nm) - WrightWing MU - 4/12 10:30:48
                                        Player Development was CM's Biggest Weakness (nm) - Sigma MU - 4/12 10:51:30
                                        i think in-game coaching was his biggest weakness. followed - phrejd KC - 4/12 10:35:23
                                             I think he could actually evaluate talent but just lacked - DHighlander NWMSU - 4/12 10:57:02
                                             It really comes down to getting talent - wu-tangtiger MU - 4/12 10:44:01
                                                  meh, even when talent fell into his lap he underachieved. - phrejd KC - 4/12 11:47:12
                                                       At the college level everyone needs superior - wu-tangtiger MU - 4/12 11:59:25
                                        I thought it was the sells aspect - wu-tangtiger MU - 4/12 10:34:28
     Better is a relative term. Kim was actually a decent - DHighlander NWMSU - 4/12 10:00:23
          He was also a terrible recruiter, but for a brief period he - FIJItiger MU - 4/12 11:02:48




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