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I wouldn't characterize it as "finding a middle ground"...

Posted on: September 21, 2021 at 14:23:50 CT

zounami MU

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Ideally, your HC is the best coach *and* recruiter in the game. Nick Saban and Coach K both fit that bill.

You mentioned Bennett and Wright (and I'll add Mark Few to the list), but they are X & O anomalies. Cuonzo certainly doesn't fit in that category. Overall, there are far more coaches who thrive more on *talent* rather than coaching. That's the category that Cuonzo falls into, until he proves otherwise.

The initial hype (in 2017) was based on the Porters and his *perceived* recruiting ability due to (1) the 5-stars he landed at UT & Cal, (2) his ability to recruit STL, and (3) the widely held empirical evidence-based assumption that black coaches have an inherent recruiting advantage with elite black players.

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CM defenders: Is this a fair assessment?... - zounami MU - 9/21 13:33:22

RE: CM defenders: Is this a fair assessment?... - CapeKevin MU - 9/22 08:23:53

Just one thing - the two previous coaches since Missouri - alstl MU - 9/21 18:40:57

Haith recruited very well at MU, and Kim isn't a real D1 - FIJItiger MU

- 9/22 07:23:38

Except that the recruiting rankings do not support you. - DHighlander NWMSU - 9/22 11:19:44

That site is kind of crappy, it isn't taking into - FIJItiger MU

- 9/22 11:35:01

Any position claiming KA is anything other than - wu-tangtiger MU - 9/22 21:11:01

You're entitled to your opinion. I love SEC hoops, and the - zounami MU - 9/21 20:19:54

Two solid BB programs. Which makes having a good coach a - DHighlander NWMSU - 9/22 11:21:30

IMO - MU-TULSA MU - 9/21 15:57:57

Jontay only played 1 season. (nm) - zounami MU - 9/21 15:59:19

He played when Jr was here and the year after, then gone, nm - MU-TULSA MU - 9/21 16:01:03

Otherwise, I'd say your assessment is fairly accurate. (nm) - zounami MU - 9/21 16:03:03

Crap you are right, I guess the year he played w/o Jr - MU-TULSA MU - 9/21 16:04:18

He only played in the 2017-18 season. Injured prior to the - zounami MU - 9/21 16:02:20

Corrected it, Point is, we continue to hope each year but - MU-TULSA MU - 9/21 16:06:30

I think certain fans gravitate more towards recruiting - FIJItiger MU

- 9/21 13:39:59

His limitations ate connected. Can recruit, because - Sigma MU - 9/21 17:55:48

RE: I think certain fans gravitate more towards recruiting - strong MU - 9/21 15:06:43

Agree, he was a very strong recruiter at MU - FIJItiger MU

- 9/21 15:10:46

He's also a smart, charismatic individual who turned out to - zounami MU - 9/21 15:14:17

True. But without a doubt he also - FIJItiger MU

- 9/21 15:19:09

That Elite 8 run was a clear sign that he had potential... - zounami MU - 9/21 15:22:01

Eh, maybe. I think that team kind of won in spite of - FIJItiger MU

- 9/21 15:24:28

Absolutely, but fan support & enthusiasm depend on either... - zounami MU - 9/21 13:57:56

Most of the winning coaches don’t fit either - wu-tangtiger MU - 9/21 14:05:22

Bennett and Wright are 2 of 350 coaches - LamarFrazier MU - 9/21 14:11:47

Those are just a couple of examples - wu-tangtiger MU - 9/21 14:16:13

You use 2 HOF coaches to justify a genearlization - LamarFrazier MU - 9/21 14:18:42

That's true, but people often cite well-known examples... - zounami MU - 9/21 14:31:10

HOF coaches are usually the ones that regularly - wu-tangtiger MU - 9/21 14:36:47

There are like 5 blue blood programs, and I'm not - FIJItiger MU

- 9/21 14:41:48

Indiana, no... UCLA, yes (and it always will be) (nm) - zounami MU - 9/21 14:45:04

They both are, but do you think that they have - FIJItiger MU

- 9/21 14:47:39

To me, Indiana BB is like Nebraska FB – a thing of the past. - zounami MU - 9/21 14:53:10

And in a way that's fitting, since the Big10 as a conference - zounami MU - 9/21 15:08:05

That is what a blue blood is though, a program with - FIJItiger MU

- 9/21 14:59:48

Not necessarily. "Blue blood" is a colloquial term but there - zounami MU - 9/21 15:02:45

Usually means cheated a lot too (nm) - FIJItiger MU

- 9/21 15:03:55

usually (nm) - zounami MU - 9/21 15:04:19

Interesting that Shaw specifically mentioned - wu-tangtiger MU - 9/21 14:45:01

Did you know that BOTH of his parents went to MU?... - zounami MU - 9/21 15:15:23

Use your search function - wu-tangtiger MU - 9/21 15:18:32

Look, if Drink landed a major recruit whose parents (both of - zounami MU - 9/21 15:20:09

Mizzou has lost a lot of them over the years - wu-tangtiger MU - 9/21 15:23:59

"it's not really a recruiting advantage"... are you serious? - zounami MU - 9/21 15:27:50

Are all of those coaching incompetent? - wu-tangtiger MU - 9/21 15:29:21

Dual-legacy. Both parents. What's our rate of success with - zounami MU - 9/21 15:31:12

It’s not good. Especially those that are highly - wu-tangtiger MU - 9/21 15:37:41

Can you provide any recent examples of recruits with - zounami MU - 9/21 15:42:42

Elliot went to Ohio State (nm) - wu-tangtiger MU - 9/21 15:46:02

in basketball? (nm) - zounami MU - 9/21 15:48:14

so the words of a 17 yr old disproves criticism of CM? - LamarFrazier MU - 9/21 15:01:41

Just said I find it interesting - wu-tangtiger MU - 9/21 17:35:17

Agree, that and family atmosphere are most often specificaly - FIJItiger MU

- 9/21 14:48:33

Makes me wonder why the disconnect - wu-tangtiger MU - 9/21 15:01:28

ever think a 17 yr old doesn't know?(nm) - LamarFrazier MU - 9/21 15:04:20

Shaw knows far more about basketball - wu-tangtiger MU - 9/21 15:08:48

doesn't mean a quote from a 17 yr old justifies - LamarFrazier MU - 9/21 16:55:30

Do you take everything you read/hear at face value? (nm) - zounami MU - 9/21 15:03:45

I've been closely following MU specifically for years(nm) - FIJItiger MU

- 9/21 15:03:09

Agreed. One could also say we shouldn't expect to - zounami MU - 9/21 14:38:20

RE: Agreed. One could also say we shouldn't expect to - FIJItiger MU

- 9/21 14:45:54

"you put in the time & effort and sell an appealing vision" - zounami MU - 9/21 14:48:32

Another article - FIJItiger MU

- 9/21 14:50:57

Hope it pays off in a couple of years for both coaches (nm) - wu-tangtiger MU - 9/21 14:40:17

Feel free to do some research on your own. - wu-tangtiger MU - 9/21 14:19:44

not my job to prop up your flawed argument(nm) - LamarFrazier MU - 9/21 14:20:41

It’s not flawed. But you have decided that shouldn’t - wu-tangtiger MU - 9/21 14:25:14

you cited 2 HOF coaches out of 350 - LamarFrazier MU - 9/21 15:03:49

Most skew one way or the other. Coach K and Nick Saban are - zounami MU - 9/21 14:06:22

There’s a middle ground that if you can get to - wu-tangtiger MU - 9/21 14:10:57

I wouldn't characterize it as "finding a middle ground"... - zounami MU - 9/21 14:23:50

Those teams have 6-8 Top 100 guys - LamarFrazier MU - 9/21 14:20:13

1) people are overrating Drink so far with not much - TigerA MU - 9/21 13:35:41

I disagree. Drink is recruiting at the highest level our FB - zounami MU - 9/21 13:53:22

I hope you're right - Tptiger MU - 9/22 20:55:58

You're right. Drink is also recruiting tirelessly. He's been - Spartus MWSC - 9/21 14:11:02

Exactly. He seems driven. That's part of the "it factor". (nm) - zounami MU - 9/21 14:26:42

hopefully that is correct(nm) - TigerA MU - 9/21 13:54:26

I should also add, I'm rooting for CM and hope our '21-22 - zounami MU - 9/21 14:35:50

RE: I should also add, I'm rooting for CM and hope our '21-22 - TONYTIGR MU - 9/21 17:50:49

wrong (nm) - zounami MU - 9/21 20:16:53

it's the current perception, whether it's true or not (nm) - zounami MU - 9/21 13:59:08

...and I also think it's the reality (nm) - zounami MU - 9/21 14:03:59

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