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Absolutely, but fan support & enthusiasm depend on either...

Posted on: September 21, 2021 at 13:57:56 CT
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high-level recruiting (Lane Kiffen/John Calipari types) *or* undeniable "more with less" results on the court/field (Bill Snyder/Gregg Marshall types).

The latter are *extremely* rare these days.
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CM defenders: Is this a fair assessment?... - zounami MU - 9/21 13:33:22
     RE: CM defenders: Is this a fair assessment?... - CapeKevin MU - 9/22 08:23:53
     Just one thing - the two previous coaches since Missouri - alstl MU - 9/21 18:40:57
          Haith recruited very well at MU, and Kim isn't a real D1 - FIJItiger MU - 9/22 07:23:38
               Except that the recruiting rankings do not support you. - DHighlander NWMSU - 9/22 11:19:44
                    That site is kind of crappy, it isn't taking into - FIJItiger MU - 9/22 11:35:01
                         Any position claiming KA is anything other than - wu-tangtiger MU - 9/22 21:11:01
          You're entitled to your opinion. I love SEC hoops, and the - zounami MU - 9/21 20:19:54
               Two solid BB programs. Which makes having a good coach a - DHighlander NWMSU - 9/22 11:21:30
     IMO - MU-TULSA MU - 9/21 15:57:57
          Jontay only played 1 season. (nm) - zounami MU - 9/21 15:59:19
               He played when Jr was here and the year after, then gone, nm - MU-TULSA MU - 9/21 16:01:03
                    Otherwise, I'd say your assessment is fairly accurate. (nm) - zounami MU - 9/21 16:03:03
                         Crap you are right, I guess the year he played w/o Jr - MU-TULSA MU - 9/21 16:04:18
                    He only played in the 2017-18 season. Injured prior to the - zounami MU - 9/21 16:02:20
                         Corrected it, Point is, we continue to hope each year but - MU-TULSA MU - 9/21 16:06:30
     I think certain fans gravitate more towards recruiting - FIJItiger MU - 9/21 13:39:59
          His limitations ate connected. Can recruit, because - Sigma MU - 9/21 17:55:48
          RE: I think certain fans gravitate more towards recruiting - strong MU - 9/21 15:06:43
               Agree, he was a very strong recruiter at MU - FIJItiger MU - 9/21 15:10:46
                    He's also a smart, charismatic individual who turned out to - zounami MU - 9/21 15:14:17
                         True. But without a doubt he also - FIJItiger MU - 9/21 15:19:09
                              That Elite 8 run was a clear sign that he had potential... - zounami MU - 9/21 15:22:01
                                   Eh, maybe. I think that team kind of won in spite of - FIJItiger MU - 9/21 15:24:28
          Absolutely, but fan support & enthusiasm depend on either... - zounami MU - 9/21 13:57:56
               Most of the winning coaches don’t fit either - wu-tangtiger MU - 9/21 14:05:22
                    Bennett and Wright are 2 of 350 coaches - LamarFrazier MU - 9/21 14:11:47
                         Those are just a couple of examples - wu-tangtiger MU - 9/21 14:16:13
                              You use 2 HOF coaches to justify a genearlization - LamarFrazier MU - 9/21 14:18:42
                                   That's true, but people often cite well-known examples... - zounami MU - 9/21 14:31:10
                                        HOF coaches are usually the ones that regularly - wu-tangtiger MU - 9/21 14:36:47
                                             There are like 5 blue blood programs, and I'm not - FIJItiger MU - 9/21 14:41:48
                                                  Indiana, no... UCLA, yes (and it always will be) (nm) - zounami MU - 9/21 14:45:04
                                                       They both are, but do you think that they have - FIJItiger MU - 9/21 14:47:39
                                                            To me, Indiana BB is like Nebraska FB – a thing of the past. - zounami MU - 9/21 14:53:10
                                                                 And in a way that's fitting, since the Big10 as a conference - zounami MU - 9/21 15:08:05
                                                                 That is what a blue blood is though, a program with - FIJItiger MU - 9/21 14:59:48
                                                                      Not necessarily. "Blue blood" is a colloquial term but there - zounami MU - 9/21 15:02:45
                                                                           Usually means cheated a lot too (nm) - FIJItiger MU - 9/21 15:03:55
                                                                                usually (nm) - zounami MU - 9/21 15:04:19
                                                  Interesting that Shaw specifically mentioned - wu-tangtiger MU - 9/21 14:45:01
                                                       Did you know that BOTH of his parents went to MU?... - zounami MU - 9/21 15:15:23
                                                            Use your search function - wu-tangtiger MU - 9/21 15:18:32
                                                                 Look, if Drink landed a major recruit whose parents (both of - zounami MU - 9/21 15:20:09
                                                                      Mizzou has lost a lot of them over the years - wu-tangtiger MU - 9/21 15:23:59
                                                                           "it's not really a recruiting advantage"... are you serious? - zounami MU - 9/21 15:27:50
                                                                                Are all of those coaching incompetent? - wu-tangtiger MU - 9/21 15:29:21
                                                                                     Dual-legacy. Both parents. What's our rate of success with - zounami MU - 9/21 15:31:12
                                                                                          It’s not good. Especially those that are highly - wu-tangtiger MU - 9/21 15:37:41
                                                                                               Can you provide any recent examples of recruits with - zounami MU - 9/21 15:42:42
                                                                                                    Elliot went to Ohio State (nm) - wu-tangtiger MU - 9/21 15:46:02
                                                                                                         in basketball? (nm) - zounami MU - 9/21 15:48:14
                                                       so the words of a 17 yr old disproves criticism of CM? - LamarFrazier MU - 9/21 15:01:41
                                                            Just said I find it interesting - wu-tangtiger MU - 9/21 17:35:17
                                                       Agree, that and family atmosphere are most often specificaly - FIJItiger MU - 9/21 14:48:33
                                                            Makes me wonder why the disconnect - wu-tangtiger MU - 9/21 15:01:28
                                                                 ever think a 17 yr old doesn't know?(nm) - LamarFrazier MU - 9/21 15:04:20
                                                                      Shaw knows far more about basketball - wu-tangtiger MU - 9/21 15:08:48
                                                                           doesn't mean a quote from a 17 yr old justifies - LamarFrazier MU - 9/21 16:55:30
                                                                 Do you take everything you read/hear at face value? (nm) - zounami MU - 9/21 15:03:45
                                                                 I've been closely following MU specifically for years(nm) - FIJItiger MU - 9/21 15:03:09
                                             Agreed. One could also say we shouldn't expect to - zounami MU - 9/21 14:38:20
                                                  RE: Agreed. One could also say we shouldn't expect to - FIJItiger MU - 9/21 14:45:54
                                                       "you put in the time & effort and sell an appealing vision" - zounami MU - 9/21 14:48:32
                                                            Another article - FIJItiger MU - 9/21 14:50:57
                                                  Hope it pays off in a couple of years for both coaches (nm) - wu-tangtiger MU - 9/21 14:40:17
                                   Feel free to do some research on your own. - wu-tangtiger MU - 9/21 14:19:44
                                        not my job to prop up your flawed argument(nm) - LamarFrazier MU - 9/21 14:20:41
                                             It’s not flawed. But you have decided that shouldn’t - wu-tangtiger MU - 9/21 14:25:14
                                                  you cited 2 HOF coaches out of 350 - LamarFrazier MU - 9/21 15:03:49
                    Most skew one way or the other. Coach K and Nick Saban are - zounami MU - 9/21 14:06:22
                         There’s a middle ground that if you can get to - wu-tangtiger MU - 9/21 14:10:57
                              I wouldn't characterize it as "finding a middle ground"... - zounami MU - 9/21 14:23:50
                              Those teams have 6-8 Top 100 guys - LamarFrazier MU - 9/21 14:20:13
     1) people are overrating Drink so far with not much - TigerA MU - 9/21 13:35:41
          I disagree. Drink is recruiting at the highest level our FB - zounami MU - 9/21 13:53:22
               I hope you're right - Tptiger MU - 9/22 20:55:58
               You're right. Drink is also recruiting tirelessly. He's been - Spartus MWSC - 9/21 14:11:02
                    Exactly. He seems driven. That's part of the "it factor". (nm) - zounami MU - 9/21 14:26:42
               hopefully that is correct(nm) - TigerA MU - 9/21 13:54:26
                    I should also add, I'm rooting for CM and hope our '21-22 - zounami MU - 9/21 14:35:50
                         RE: I should also add, I'm rooting for CM and hope our '21-22 - TONYTIGR MU - 9/21 17:50:49
                              wrong (nm) - zounami MU - 9/21 20:16:53
                    it's the current perception, whether it's true or not (nm) - zounami MU - 9/21 13:59:08
                         ...and I also think it's the reality (nm) - zounami MU - 9/21 14:03:59




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