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"Are you free to choose that which does not occur to you

Posted on: July 21, 2019 at 14:44:27 CT
Emmanuel Goldstein
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to choose?"

That sums up the problem of free will. If someone asks you to think of what you want for dinner, in your head you are aware of thinking about pizza, tacos and burgers and you say pizza, did you ever have the free will to choose crab legs?
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I can't recommend this book enough - cnk ATL - 7/21 12:53:27
     A better book... - DoltfromSTL MU - 7/21 16:13:16
          Very annoying habit Toro - raskolnikov MU - 7/21 16:27:28
               You have no self-awareness, do you? - DoltfromSTL MU - 7/21 18:30:43
     I'm going to have a look at it. - Newcatbirdseat MU - 7/21 14:22:53
          Yeah, he has a hard on for religion - cnk ATL - 7/21 14:26:41
               "Are you free to choose that which does not occur to you - Emmanuel Goldstein MU - 7/21 14:44:27
          When you discuss cognitive neuroscience to the general - Emmanuel Goldstein MU - 7/21 14:26:17
               Yeah, if you're trying to change someone's mind, which he - Newcatbirdseat MU - 7/21 14:30:54
     Video for those who don't read. - Emmanuel Goldstein MU - 7/21 14:15:16
     I don't see why that would obviate free will. One has - GA Tiger MU - 7/21 13:28:06
          The thought to not act is still a product of the unconscious - cnk ATL - 7/21 13:30:49
               Completely disagree. We may or may not control - DHighlander NWMSU - 7/21 14:12:14
                    “Refuse to accept it” - meatiger MU - 7/21 14:43:56
                         We do not all have the same genetic makeup. We do not have - Emmanuel Goldstein MU - 7/21 14:47:27
                    But the action or nonaction comes from thoughts prior - cnk ATL - 7/21 14:28:54
                    What evidence is there of free will and that we are - Emmanuel Goldstein MU - 7/21 14:17:41
               Interesting. If thinking about something is unconscious - GA Tiger MU - 7/21 13:43:51
                    Also, based on prior conversations - cnk ATL - 7/21 13:51:20
                         I'm sure it has some interesting points. Though - GA Tiger MU - 7/21 15:16:31
                    Observe and witness - cnk ATL - 7/21 13:46:15
     RE: I can't recommend this book enough - Emmanuel Goldstein MU - 7/21 13:07:33
          I'll watch that later - cnk ATL - 7/21 13:09:14
     Sounds like Sammy wants to justify a guilty conscience - JG A - 7/21 13:00:53
          Why do you think that?(nm) - cnk ATL - 7/21 13:07:57
               JG pays good money to have - Ferg STL - 7/21 13:17:09
                    LOL completely false - JG A - 7/21 13:20:38
                    Over $10,000 for cult counseling - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 7/21 13:18:32
                         LOL Completely false - JG A - 7/21 13:21:02
               According to you, he says he can't control his - JG A - 7/21 13:14:26
                    I didn't ask the right question - cnk ATL - 7/21 13:17:51
                         Let him explain how he can control unconscious thought(nm) - Emmanuel Goldstein MU - 7/21 13:18:46
                              Done - JG A - 7/21 13:21:42
                    Nor can you.(nm) - Emmanuel Goldstein MU - 7/21 13:16:44
                         You can't controlt THAT you have unconscious thoughts - JG A - 7/21 13:19:43
                              Please tell me how you can control UNCONSCIOUS - Emmanuel Goldstein MU - 7/21 13:22:41
                                   I just did - JG A - 7/21 13:25:30
                                        In no way did you.(nm) - Emmanuel Goldstein MU - 7/21 13:26:32
                                             OK let me help you out with an example - JG A - 7/21 13:29:04
                                                  That is an incorrect conclusion. Your conscious mind - Emmanuel Goldstein MU - 7/21 13:37:30
                                                       Your conscious mind does not make any choice - cnk ATL - 7/21 13:40:02
                                                            Yes.. it is an illusion. But JG seems to have a problem - Emmanuel Goldstein MU - 7/21 13:44:19
                                                                 Its not me having the problem here - JG A - 7/21 13:47:07
                                                                      You cannot prevent the unconscious thought. You have - Emmanuel Goldstein MU - 7/21 13:47:52
                                                                           You keep saying something I have already agreed to - JG A - 7/21 13:54:53
                                                                                You are missing the most important part.(nm) - Emmanuel Goldstein MU - 7/21 13:57:35
                                                                                     No - JG A - 7/21 14:01:18
                                                            That is total nonsense - JG A - 7/21 13:43:58
                                                                 You do think about choices that are made - cnk ATL - 7/21 13:48:41
                                                                      Again that makes no sense - JG A - 7/21 13:53:57
                                                                           All thought arises from unconsciousness - cnk ATL - 7/21 13:58:47
                                                                                Nonsense - JG A - 7/21 14:02:58
                                                                           The choices you are aware of are limited by unconscious - Emmanuel Goldstein MU - 7/21 13:56:28
                                                                                Sometimes choices have many more options - JG A - 7/21 13:58:03
                                                                                     Again, you keep reaching conclusions never stated. - Emmanuel Goldstein MU - 7/21 13:59:32
                                                                                          LOL what? - JG A - 7/21 14:02:30
                                                                                               People make the right choice frequently - cnk ATL - 7/21 14:04:23
                                                                 Again you are making false assumptions. If I my fingers off - Emmanuel Goldstein MU - 7/21 13:47:09
                                                                      So if you learn something, you are still not in control - JG A - 7/21 13:56:50
                                                                           You are not and never will be in control of unconscious - Emmanuel Goldstein MU - 7/21 13:58:37
                                                                                Nonesense - JG A - 7/21 14:04:56
                                                                                     Thanks for taking the time to discuss it - cnk ATL - 7/21 14:07:34
                                                                                I'm realizing I've used misleading terminology - cnk ATL - 7/21 14:00:45
                                                                                     Right. I am trying to get JG aware that he does not control - Emmanuel Goldstein MU - 7/21 14:04:22
                                                                                          Agreed, I think making that distinction of what consciousnes - cnk ATL - 7/21 14:06:01
                                                       THAT can then be CONTROLLED by conscious thought - JG A - 7/21 13:39:42
                                                            No. You cannot control the unconscious thought. Your - Emmanuel Goldstein MU - 7/21 13:42:24
                                                                 I agree with that to an extent - JG A - 7/21 13:45:53
                                                                      You are talking about conscious thought, that - Emmanuel Goldstein MU - 7/21 13:50:02
                                                                           From learning, intellect, moraltiy, etc - JG A - 7/21 13:59:31
                                                                                It does not. Your unconscious mind processes information - Emmanuel Goldstein MU - 7/21 14:02:04
                                                            All thought arises from unconsciousness(nm) - cnk ATL - 7/21 13:40:47
                                                                 OK - I have no problems accepting that - JG A - 7/21 13:42:10
                                                                      The "you" that you identify with is your concsiouness - cnk ATL - 7/21 13:45:42
                                                                           The entire basis of law morality and society is that - JG A - 7/21 13:51:22
                                                                                Thus, the final bullet point - cnk ATL - 7/21 13:52:44
                                                                                     For weaklings and degenerates - JG A - 7/21 14:05:46
                                                                                          How does someone become a weakling or degenerate?(nm) - cnk ATL - 7/21 14:06:41
                                                                                               good question - JG A - 7/21 14:08:11
                                                  She's not going to have sex with you, dude. - Newcatbirdseat MU - 7/21 13:35:51
                                   In that last sentence you just captured George perfectly(nm) - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 7/21 13:24:10
                                        LOL damn you are stupid and of course dishonest - JG A - 7/21 13:26:45
                              Those thoughts occur before you are conscious of them - cnk ATL - 7/21 13:21:17
                                   This seems like the tree falls in the forest question. If - hefeweizen MU - 7/21 13:26:09
                                        All thought arises from the unconscious - cnk ATL - 7/21 13:29:42
                                             Interesting concept I guess. Not sure I buy it personally.(nm) - hefeweizen MU - 7/21 13:33:58
                                                  If you want to explore it further, I'll loan you the book(nm) - cnk ATL - 7/21 13:35:36
                                                       If it can derail my progress thus far I will probably pass(nm) - hefeweizen MU - 7/21 13:37:22
                                                            Fair enough(nm) - cnk ATL - 7/21 13:39:01
                                   I guess you meant something other than what you actually - JG A - 7/21 13:24:55
                                        Let me do a for dummies 101. The unconscious regions - Emmanuel Goldstein MU - 7/21 13:31:25
                                             Those choices are not made by the conscious mind though - cnk ATL - 7/21 13:33:39
                                                  No, the conscious mind makes the decision - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 7/21 13:36:10
                                                       Even 4Tigs understands - JG A - 7/21 14:07:21
                                                       MRIs show the brain activity happening prior to you being - cnk ATL - 7/21 13:37:53
                                                            Only in the case of masturbation - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 7/21 13:41:08
                                        I see what you are saying - cnk ATL - 7/21 13:27:42
                                             That makes no sense whatsoever - JG A - 7/21 13:30:49
                                                  Precisely, free will is an illusion of consciousness(nm) - cnk ATL - 7/21 13:31:24
                                                       “Everything that guy just said is bullsh*t” - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 7/21 13:33:56
                                                       Complete nonsense - JG A - 7/21 13:33:26
                                                            I'm not going to argue with you - cnk ATL - 7/21 13:34:59
                                                                 It just seems like justifying a guilty conscience - JG A - 7/21 13:40:58
                         I can control my bowels - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 7/21 13:17:25
          Typical cop out excuse from a small mind.(nm) - Emmanuel Goldstein MU - 7/21 13:02:54




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