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This seems like the tree falls in the forest question. If

Posted on: July 21, 2019 at 13:26:09 CT
hefeweizen MU
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you have an unconscious thought (are not conscious of it) is it really a thought? Once you become concious of it, it ceases to be an unconscious thought.

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I can't recommend this book enough - cnk ATL - 7/21 12:53:27
     A better book... - DoltfromSTL MU - 7/21 16:13:16
          Very annoying habit Toro - raskolnikov MU - 7/21 16:27:28
               You have no self-awareness, do you? - DoltfromSTL MU - 7/21 18:30:43
     I'm going to have a look at it. - Newcatbirdseat MU - 7/21 14:22:53
          Yeah, he has a hard on for religion - cnk ATL - 7/21 14:26:41
               "Are you free to choose that which does not occur to you - Emmanuel Goldstein MU - 7/21 14:44:27
          When you discuss cognitive neuroscience to the general - Emmanuel Goldstein MU - 7/21 14:26:17
               Yeah, if you're trying to change someone's mind, which he - Newcatbirdseat MU - 7/21 14:30:54
     Video for those who don't read. - Emmanuel Goldstein MU - 7/21 14:15:16
     I don't see why that would obviate free will. One has - GA Tiger MU - 7/21 13:28:06
          The thought to not act is still a product of the unconscious - cnk ATL - 7/21 13:30:49
               Completely disagree. We may or may not control - DHighlander NWMSU - 7/21 14:12:14
                    “Refuse to accept it” - meatiger MU - 7/21 14:43:56
                         We do not all have the same genetic makeup. We do not have - Emmanuel Goldstein MU - 7/21 14:47:27
                    But the action or nonaction comes from thoughts prior - cnk ATL - 7/21 14:28:54
                    What evidence is there of free will and that we are - Emmanuel Goldstein MU - 7/21 14:17:41
               Interesting. If thinking about something is unconscious - GA Tiger MU - 7/21 13:43:51
                    Also, based on prior conversations - cnk ATL - 7/21 13:51:20
                         I'm sure it has some interesting points. Though - GA Tiger MU - 7/21 15:16:31
                    Observe and witness - cnk ATL - 7/21 13:46:15
     RE: I can't recommend this book enough - Emmanuel Goldstein MU - 7/21 13:07:33
          I'll watch that later - cnk ATL - 7/21 13:09:14
     Sounds like Sammy wants to justify a guilty conscience - JG A - 7/21 13:00:53
          Why do you think that?(nm) - cnk ATL - 7/21 13:07:57
               JG pays good money to have - Ferg STL - 7/21 13:17:09
                    LOL completely false - JG A - 7/21 13:20:38
                    Over $10,000 for cult counseling - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 7/21 13:18:32
                         LOL Completely false - JG A - 7/21 13:21:02
               According to you, he says he can't control his - JG A - 7/21 13:14:26
                    I didn't ask the right question - cnk ATL - 7/21 13:17:51
                         Let him explain how he can control unconscious thought(nm) - Emmanuel Goldstein MU - 7/21 13:18:46
                              Done - JG A - 7/21 13:21:42
                    Nor can you.(nm) - Emmanuel Goldstein MU - 7/21 13:16:44
                         You can't controlt THAT you have unconscious thoughts - JG A - 7/21 13:19:43
                              Please tell me how you can control UNCONSCIOUS - Emmanuel Goldstein MU - 7/21 13:22:41
                                   I just did - JG A - 7/21 13:25:30
                                        In no way did you.(nm) - Emmanuel Goldstein MU - 7/21 13:26:32
                                             OK let me help you out with an example - JG A - 7/21 13:29:04
                                                  That is an incorrect conclusion. Your conscious mind - Emmanuel Goldstein MU - 7/21 13:37:30
                                                       Your conscious mind does not make any choice - cnk ATL - 7/21 13:40:02
                                                            Yes.. it is an illusion. But JG seems to have a problem - Emmanuel Goldstein MU - 7/21 13:44:19
                                                                 Its not me having the problem here - JG A - 7/21 13:47:07
                                                                      You cannot prevent the unconscious thought. You have - Emmanuel Goldstein MU - 7/21 13:47:52
                                                                           You keep saying something I have already agreed to - JG A - 7/21 13:54:53
                                                                                You are missing the most important part.(nm) - Emmanuel Goldstein MU - 7/21 13:57:35
                                                                                     No - JG A - 7/21 14:01:18
                                                            That is total nonsense - JG A - 7/21 13:43:58
                                                                 You do think about choices that are made - cnk ATL - 7/21 13:48:41
                                                                      Again that makes no sense - JG A - 7/21 13:53:57
                                                                           All thought arises from unconsciousness - cnk ATL - 7/21 13:58:47
                                                                                Nonsense - JG A - 7/21 14:02:58
                                                                           The choices you are aware of are limited by unconscious - Emmanuel Goldstein MU - 7/21 13:56:28
                                                                                Sometimes choices have many more options - JG A - 7/21 13:58:03
                                                                                     Again, you keep reaching conclusions never stated. - Emmanuel Goldstein MU - 7/21 13:59:32
                                                                                          LOL what? - JG A - 7/21 14:02:30
                                                                                               People make the right choice frequently - cnk ATL - 7/21 14:04:23
                                                                 Again you are making false assumptions. If I my fingers off - Emmanuel Goldstein MU - 7/21 13:47:09
                                                                      So if you learn something, you are still not in control - JG A - 7/21 13:56:50
                                                                           You are not and never will be in control of unconscious - Emmanuel Goldstein MU - 7/21 13:58:37
                                                                                Nonesense - JG A - 7/21 14:04:56
                                                                                     Thanks for taking the time to discuss it - cnk ATL - 7/21 14:07:34
                                                                                I'm realizing I've used misleading terminology - cnk ATL - 7/21 14:00:45
                                                                                     Right. I am trying to get JG aware that he does not control - Emmanuel Goldstein MU - 7/21 14:04:22
                                                                                          Agreed, I think making that distinction of what consciousnes - cnk ATL - 7/21 14:06:01
                                                       THAT can then be CONTROLLED by conscious thought - JG A - 7/21 13:39:42
                                                            No. You cannot control the unconscious thought. Your - Emmanuel Goldstein MU - 7/21 13:42:24
                                                                 I agree with that to an extent - JG A - 7/21 13:45:53
                                                                      You are talking about conscious thought, that - Emmanuel Goldstein MU - 7/21 13:50:02
                                                                           From learning, intellect, moraltiy, etc - JG A - 7/21 13:59:31
                                                                                It does not. Your unconscious mind processes information - Emmanuel Goldstein MU - 7/21 14:02:04
                                                            All thought arises from unconsciousness(nm) - cnk ATL - 7/21 13:40:47
                                                                 OK - I have no problems accepting that - JG A - 7/21 13:42:10
                                                                      The "you" that you identify with is your concsiouness - cnk ATL - 7/21 13:45:42
                                                                           The entire basis of law morality and society is that - JG A - 7/21 13:51:22
                                                                                Thus, the final bullet point - cnk ATL - 7/21 13:52:44
                                                                                     For weaklings and degenerates - JG A - 7/21 14:05:46
                                                                                          How does someone become a weakling or degenerate?(nm) - cnk ATL - 7/21 14:06:41
                                                                                               good question - JG A - 7/21 14:08:11
                                                  She's not going to have sex with you, dude. - Newcatbirdseat MU - 7/21 13:35:51
                                   In that last sentence you just captured George perfectly(nm) - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 7/21 13:24:10
                                        LOL damn you are stupid and of course dishonest - JG A - 7/21 13:26:45
                              Those thoughts occur before you are conscious of them - cnk ATL - 7/21 13:21:17
                                   This seems like the tree falls in the forest question. If - hefeweizen MU - 7/21 13:26:09
                                        All thought arises from the unconscious - cnk ATL - 7/21 13:29:42
                                             Interesting concept I guess. Not sure I buy it personally.(nm) - hefeweizen MU - 7/21 13:33:58
                                                  If you want to explore it further, I'll loan you the book(nm) - cnk ATL - 7/21 13:35:36
                                                       If it can derail my progress thus far I will probably pass(nm) - hefeweizen MU - 7/21 13:37:22
                                                            Fair enough(nm) - cnk ATL - 7/21 13:39:01
                                   I guess you meant something other than what you actually - JG A - 7/21 13:24:55
                                        Let me do a for dummies 101. The unconscious regions - Emmanuel Goldstein MU - 7/21 13:31:25
                                             Those choices are not made by the conscious mind though - cnk ATL - 7/21 13:33:39
                                                  No, the conscious mind makes the decision - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 7/21 13:36:10
                                                       Even 4Tigs understands - JG A - 7/21 14:07:21
                                                       MRIs show the brain activity happening prior to you being - cnk ATL - 7/21 13:37:53
                                                            Only in the case of masturbation - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 7/21 13:41:08
                                        I see what you are saying - cnk ATL - 7/21 13:27:42
                                             That makes no sense whatsoever - JG A - 7/21 13:30:49
                                                  Precisely, free will is an illusion of consciousness(nm) - cnk ATL - 7/21 13:31:24
                                                       “Everything that guy just said is bullsh*t” - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 7/21 13:33:56
                                                       Complete nonsense - JG A - 7/21 13:33:26
                                                            I'm not going to argue with you - cnk ATL - 7/21 13:34:59
                                                                 It just seems like justifying a guilty conscience - JG A - 7/21 13:40:58
                         I can control my bowels - 4TigersinMichigan MU - 7/21 13:17:25
          Typical cop out excuse from a small mind.(nm) - Emmanuel Goldstein MU - 7/21 13:02:54




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