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It's not the best fix.

Posted on: December 28, 2018 at 20:19:18 CT
Zeaux MU
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It's a lasting fix and a monument to something that needs further effort solving.

As I said on the politics board, a manpower solution to the issue is easily changed when Oprah or Michelle Obama or whoever else the left's response to Trump is takes office. If you make border security something based on budgets, it will disappear. The additional border agents will eventually be appropriated to HHS to sign immigrants up for welfare instead of keeping them out and funneling them into the legal process.

If there's a wall/barrier, when the ****ing thing falls in disrepair, someone has to say why.

It's okay to say you want everyone here because it's better, it's harder to sell when there's something keeping them out.

I'm for open borders without a welfare state, if we're going to support everyone coming in for whatever reason financially, we need control.

Return to Ellis Island where people get in unless they're sick and have to survive/create organized crime syndicates to survive, or be honest about wanting them to come in and get supported by the taxpayer.

This middle ground **** is for the birds.
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Why is a wall the answer? - DevilsAdvocate MU - 12/28 19:08:46
     Why do libs refuse to accept a wall? - 615Tiger STL - 12/29 08:08:10
          Try removing your roof and let us know how - Mizzmi27 MU - 12/29 11:49:52
     Only if drones dropped bombs on them(nm) - TigerFan92 MU - 12/28 22:45:55
     Because Trump blurted it out one day - Mizzmi27 MU - 12/28 21:54:02
     Wall not needed. Remove incentives to come. - HandBanana MU - 12/28 20:45:39
          The incentive to come is that the US is less ****ed up - Zeaux MU - 12/28 20:48:20
               Our effing up the places they come from - JG MU - 12/28 21:03:13
                    Yeah, our past administrations have made some mistakes. - Zeaux MU - 12/28 21:11:28
                         We're lucky that they haven't got around to effing with us - JG MU - 12/28 21:14:00
               its never going to stop - colonel angus beef KC - 12/28 20:57:47
                    Make it less profitable. - Zeaux MU - 12/28 21:37:40
                         Immigration is not even close to the biggest problem in - colonel angus beef KC - 12/28 21:51:15
                              One thing at a time. - Zeaux MU - 12/28 21:54:49
                                   nothing at a time then. - colonel angus beef KC - 12/28 21:57:59
                                        I'm more aware than most. - Zeaux MU - 12/28 22:00:22
                                             LOL NO(nm) - JG MU - 12/28 22:22:56
               True. But, if they cannot make a living, and their kid - HandBanana MU - 12/28 20:54:59
                    I don't want to punish them. - Zeaux MU - 12/28 21:04:47
                         Too much corportate dick sucking embedded here - colonel angus beef KC - 12/28 21:23:11
                              I'd like to do all that - Zeaux MU - 12/28 21:32:08
                                   immigration and the wall is a fake issue - colonel angus beef KC - 12/28 21:54:11
                                        I suppose it would be - Zeaux MU - 12/28 21:58:35
                                             Yep no Mexican immigrants in kc. - colonel angus beef KC - 12/28 22:48:07
                                             orca problem is a pollution problem - JG MU - 12/28 22:09:47
                                                  Were actually being sold that it’s kind of a dam problem - Zeaux MU - 12/28 22:23:23
                                                       more salmon wouldn't hurt - JG MU - 12/28 22:28:07
                                   Its an expensive boondoggle - JG MU - 12/28 21:33:41
                                        Five to fifteen billion dollars. - Zeaux MU - 12/28 21:37:04
                                             In a house with no roof, its raining, - colonel angus beef KC - 12/28 23:49:21
                                                  I want to purchase plywood, nails, AND Shingles. - Zeaux MU - 12/29 00:00:12
                                             The low estimates are 25 billion - JG MU - 12/28 21:40:04
                                                  Okay. - Zeaux MU - 12/28 21:44:29
                                                       The wall won't ever get built - JG MU - 12/28 22:08:18
                                                            Or you could not end any of that - Zeaux MU - 12/28 22:13:04
                                                                 GOP politicians love illegals - JG MU - 12/28 22:20:10
                         You're on the right track, but its even worse - JG MU - 12/28 21:17:38
                              I completely understand that. - Zeaux MU - 12/28 21:20:38
                                   It should be for a limited period of time - JG MU - 12/28 21:32:10
                                        I agree. - Zeaux MU - 12/28 21:32:57
                                             Thats why I'm a conservative - JG MU - 12/28 21:41:42
                                                  Seems like a contradiction - Zeaux MU - 12/28 21:44:52
     Politics board>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - JimD MU - 12/28 20:44:22
     Why is it always one as opposed to the others? - MizzouTigerz MU - 12/28 20:27:37
          Trump is like less nessmon. - colonel angus beef KC - 12/28 20:37:24
          The wall will not do any of those things - JG MU - 12/28 20:34:07
               1 even accepting for the sake of argument, that the majority - MizzouTigerz MU - 12/28 21:21:42
                    how Christian of you - colonel angus beef KC - 12/28 23:32:37
                    RE: 1 even accepting for the sake of argument, that the majority - JG MU - 12/28 21:30:46
                         Again you miss the point. The easier approach is to stop - MizzouTigerz MU - 12/29 12:54:02
     It's not the best fix. - Zeaux MU - 12/28 20:19:18
     End the war on drugs and welfare state. - Newcatbirdseat MU - 12/28 19:54:22
          Yes. Refund my drugs and lawn state! - colonel angus beef KC - 12/28 20:10:04
     Because it's permanent...Obama and Dems were for a - bcoop199 KC - 12/28 19:36:48
          Nothing is permanent including trump say - GMT MU - 12/28 20:05:45
          Because fences disintegrate? - colonel angus beef KC - 12/28 19:43:56
               The wall is a fence. - Zeaux MU - 12/28 20:23:10
                    For environmental purposes - JG MU - 12/28 20:26:14
                         RE: For environmental purposes - colonel angus beef KC - 12/28 20:40:25
                         I honestly don't give a **** either way. - Zeaux MU - 12/28 20:39:26
                              If nothing else - JG MU - 12/28 20:43:06
                                   I'm sure it would be cool. - Zeaux MU - 12/28 20:46:43
                                        They used to inhabit the US up to the Grand Canyon - JG MU - 12/28 20:55:46
                                             It's more of a solution than doing nothing, I suppose. - Zeaux MU - 12/28 20:58:37
                                                  We could do a lot. But doing something that won't - JG MU - 12/28 21:02:07
                                                       And also be at the whim of the executive. - Zeaux MU - 12/28 21:06:59
                                                            The wall is going to take personnel away - JG MU - 12/28 21:12:23
                                                                 Imagine someone, in today's environment - Zeaux MU - 12/28 21:19:33
                                                                      If republicans were half as conservative as they - JG MU - 12/28 21:43:42
                                                                           And yet this is the world in which we live. - Zeaux MU - 12/28 21:45:42
                                                                                I get what you are saying - JG MU - 12/28 22:02:02
                                                                                     You might get to where you think we should be - Zeaux MU - 12/28 22:08:48
                                                                                          not really - JG MU - 12/28 22:12:06
     my guess that it would be too costly for agents to cover - tigerNkc MU - 12/28 19:34:05
          Yet spending trillions on wars in Iraq and Afghanistan - HandBanana MU - 12/28 20:47:41
               How is that "somehow ok"? - colonel angus beef KC - 12/28 20:55:22
                    Exactly, it's not ok! (nm) - HandBanana MU - 12/28 21:04:51
     i'm all for any serious proposals. funny, we don't see - 90Tiger MU - 12/28 19:32:27
          You hear what you want to hear - JG MU - 12/28 19:50:21
               list all of the other proposals. Here's mine: shut down - 90Tiger MU - 12/28 20:12:40
          I agree with you. I don’t have an answer. - DevilsAdvocate MU - 12/28 19:33:58
               The wall is no answer at all - JG MU - 12/28 19:43:01
                    your lack of providing solutions is noted, thanks for - 90Tiger MU - 12/28 20:13:25
                         LOL you are quite beyond any mental help - JG MU - 12/28 20:25:11
                              can you go back to your posts and highlight your - 90Tiger MU - 12/28 20:25:51
                                   Just today - JG MU - 12/28 20:29:29
          You just did what you complain about. - colonel angus beef KC - 12/28 19:33:09
               what's that? - 90Tiger MU - 12/28 20:14:34
     I have a bunch of walls and I leave whenever I want. - colonel angus beef KC - 12/28 19:32:27
     the wall is a liberal disaster - JG MU - 12/28 19:18:45
          LOL at the "expensive" part. Drop in the bucket - HandBanana MU - 12/28 20:49:42
               the estimates are 25 billion - JG MU - 12/28 20:58:50
                    Still super cheap even if double the $25 billion cost. - HandBanana MU - 12/28 21:08:10
                         reasonable for what? - JG MU - 12/28 21:14:54
     What's the question? - MUTGR MU - 12/28 19:10:31
          Is it the best option to curtail illegal immigration? (nm) - DevilsAdvocate MU - 12/28 19:12:31
               Snipers would be more effective - Tptiger MU - 12/28 19:18:50
                    we could probably get a million republigistians - JG MU - 12/28 19:22:43
                         What came first? The Mullet or the blue egg?(nm) - RedbullSky MU - 12/28 19:24:00
                              I've never had a mullet, so..........(nm) - JG MU - 12/28 19:24:38




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